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I don't want to look stupid again asking if something has been proposed of not, but I just want to be sure. I didn't see anything, (I read them all, though I could have missed something), banning vivisection of animals, testing of cosmetics on animals, making it illegal to remove the beaks from chickens or otherwise maim animals, or keep animals in small cages with no access outdoors. It seems to me that animal farming ought to be illegal and I just didn't see anything that specifically dealt with this.

I don't remember if we discussed a proposal about it or if the idea just got tossed out into the open - but someone mentioned it fairly recently.

Regardless, there is no resolution to date on that matter. Care to take a shot?

there are a few coming about WILD animals but not DOMESTICATED animals to my knowledge. I would Support one banning Scientific research on animals as regards to medical research or product testing.However i donot feel a BAN on farming would get much support, perhaps adding standards for the care and, where applicable, slaughter of animals so as to not cause undue distress and suffering would be more suitable.

However i donot feel a BAN on farming would get much support,
No, I don't imagine it would. For any resolution like this to have a hope of passing, it would need to be "mild" in strength and not mandate any sort of action. Also, what category would you submit an animal protection resolution in? Moral Decency? Environmental? Personally, I'd like to see us stay out of this.

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Any proposal to ban completly some things done to animals will get some to move to not support it. As many see them as a productive way to keep their populations under control.. Wolves, Grizzly Bears for example have in some places come back because of protections on them... Now people are faced with how to get rid of them. Here in NS the two main are Whale and Dolphins and even some species of those have become pest but under the resolutions in place it says Whale and Dolphins and doesn't give relief when a humpback Whale turns shark and a Bottlenose Dolphins starts sinking ships. I can agree on unwarranted experiments on anything that is just done to be done with not positive results seen. Also hunting animals just to say one can kill them is senseless to me.. Give me a six inch dagger open water and an 8' shark and we see who comes out alive. The winner getting a good meal.. OF THE OTHER..

The UNCoESB is in queue.


I think it's (to my English hosts) brilliant.


It's good legislation. It's fair. It's good legislation.

The UNCoESB is in queue.

Correct! and apparently will begin voting on the 29th of august. (Calculation done by The Forgotten Lands)
I think it's (to my English hosts) brilliant.

Well we do try :D (Thank you for your kind Comment)
It's good legislation. It's fair. It's good legislation.
Its designed to allow Hunting and fishing but only with conservation of the Species involved in mind. It also targets having the huge expense of having several resolutions protecting several species nullified by having a single resolution to protect against extinction and to allow a nation to impose restrictions on a species of national importance within that nations Jurisdiction.

Now before i get accused of Thread hijacking, get back on topic! :p

Correct! and apparently will begin voting on the 29th of august. (Calculation done by The Forgotten Lands)


Well we do try :D (Thank you for your kind Comment)

Its designed to allow Hunting and fishing but only with conservation of the Species involved in mind. It also targets having the huge expense of having several resolutions protecting several species nullified by having a single resolution to protect against extinction and to allow a nation to impose restrictions on a species of national importance within that nations Jurisdiction.

Now before i get accused of Thread hijacking, get back on topic! :p


I don't want to be a technocrat. I frankly don't have the energy to regulate EVER species.


Good game, you did good to the UN Constitution. Good show.

An Animal Protection resolution had been discussed here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433032) and submitted (as noticed here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434788)).

It was once again submitted to discussion: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446354


Regards,
Fair Progress

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there are a few coming about WILD animals but not DOMESTICATED animals to my knowledge. I would Support one banning Scientific research on animals as regards to medical research or product testing.

Absolutely not.

Do you have any idea how much the medical sciences owe to animal testing?

Would you rather new drugs and treatments just skip that stage and use human beings as their first experimental test subjects? Or should we just not test at all anymore, release straight to mass market (which, actually, would just be option 1 on a large scale)? Or maybe we just stop developing new medicines altogether if neither of those options are being advocated?

Would you care to weigh the ethical ramifications of the options available here?

We are sorry if people feel bad for skippy the lab rat... and we even empathize with them... but banning medical research on animals is not an option. Any attempt to do so will be met with the strongest opposition by the Reformentian government.

edit: And we just noticed this is a resurrected discussion from a month ago...

An Animal Protection resolution had been discussed here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433032) and submitted (as noticed here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=434788)).

It was once again submitted to discussion: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=446354

Why are you digging up discussions that are over a month old? What's the point? We can see your proposal on the forums, and we've already seen your post on the other active enviromental post on this thread. You don't need to spam the forums with advertisements on dead threads.


Regards,
Fair Progress[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. I just thought this note was on-topic because of the question asked by the thread creator (perhaps he had something interesting to add to the text I posted). I didn't dig up any threads, I found this one whilst I searched for the previous threads related to my proposal, and replied because this discussion occurred in August, a month on which I had little time to devote to NS.


My apologies,
Fair Progress