UN proposal call
Greetings dear co-players!
As we see Nation States as much more than plain playground, we will try to use it as a political conceptions evolving machine. Now, as a young nation we send this call to all of you, intelligent people (it is not just flummery, this is that kind of game - NS), to read and comment our first UN proposal.
You can find it by title "Redefining Ownership System" at UN proposals list.
As it needs many delagets votes to be judged in game we would be satisfied to hear your opinions even on this forum. Also, forum is a place where you can express your critics in more detailed way than just Against or For.
Thank you for your reviewing in advance,
People of Noposs
Forgottenlands
10-08-2005, 21:09
Request that the text of your proposal be posted here
Thermidore
10-08-2005, 21:21
OK I was bored so here it is (ps. I haven't a clue how to do all the bold lettering and all that)
Redefining Ownership System
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.
Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Noposs
Description: Impact of this proposal realisation would be so Big that very detailed, broad and deep consideration is required. Initial idea is simple but handling the consequences is utterly complex.
Possession i.e. ownership and value system as we know it from the beginning of time is something that evolved with development of human civilisation and society itself. The problem that emerges today (well, few hundred years before, to be correct) is inability of social constructions like states, laws and economy to efficiently manage world development, crime, social care, health care and progress of human kind in general.
Money i.e. values i.e. possession of world resources became and is becoming too exceedingly concentrated in single spots. Driven by selfish needs these resources are frozen in segregated and isolated points. At this moment known and valid laws of economy stop to drive development as they were meant to.
Further analysis shows us how labour is connected to this problem. Allocation of value creating work should, by what we know today and what worked for "old economy", be self organizing producing the perfect state of needs satisfaction. But it's not. Why? Because world needs aren’t what driving the work and development. It is the money and money is not spread uniformly so development voting system is not working properly.
Solution?
Well, it is not just redefining ownership system. Redefining ownership system is just an effect or step needed to be done to change the essential source of the problem and this is Redefining work valuation system.
I am just too afraid that many people will see just another aspect of Communism in this proposal and with negative image that communism marked on all its ideas it would be hard to consider it without prejudice. But please try.
The proposal
1. To make all properties, physical and non physical including services public.
2. To regulate equal usage of these properties and services by members of society
3. To oblige every member of society to labour of her/his choice
4. To value each kind of labour (from street cleaning to managing the industry or science work) with effort weight factors
5. To prescribe amount of effort weight units for all members of society based on her/his health and ability status
6. To create laws and rules to those who refuse to commit to rules of Society and provide with limited resources usage
7. Enable quality education and opportunity to change profession in life
Conclusion
This kind of system would have to have adjusting instruments that would, by changing effort weight factors steer the world development in chosen direction. Clearly, there are obvious benefits in maximising the whole world work force and avoiding today’s problems that derive from spending efforts and energy on fights for resources. Also, social benefits and democracy gains should be enormous.
With love to civilisation,
People of Noposs
Approvals: 7 (Skandango, Zouloukistan, Dsjtuj, Sipledome, Free Radicals of Mu-Mu, Aquarian Arcadia, Brunelian BG advocates)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 127 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Fri Aug 12 2005
Libertaville
10-08-2005, 22:16
Even though Thermidore posed it for you, for future reference, you should include your proposal in your thread.
Also, isn't this just another form of Socialism?
Forgottenlands
10-08-2005, 23:21
It is socialism
Forcing nations to be a certain type of government, I refuse to support it.
Libertaville
10-08-2005, 23:58
It is socialism
Forcing nations to be a certain type of government, I refuse to support it.
I too refuse to force my Nation into socialism. If I wanted to run my government by socialism, then I would make the right decisions on isses to do so. However I doubt, and while I am speaking unsurely, that any government wants to force theirs into an absoloute form of government that they haven't worked for.
I too refuse to force my Nation into socialism. If I wanted to run my government by socialism, then I would make the right decisions on isses to do so. However I doubt, and while I am speaking unsurely, that any government wants to force theirs into an absoloute form of government that they haven't worked for.
OK. We surely appreciate your opinion. But, Isnt the point and purpose of any goverment to serve people and take care of their wellfare but not just to have power over them. This wouldnt be democracy, but dictatoship or even more regressived form of system.
People of Noposs
Marxist Rhetoric
11-08-2005, 05:30
I will not support this. Look capitalists! We are on your side! That never happened. Ahem... Noposs, it is illegal to submit such proposals and will be a taint upon our international record.Do not submit this and if you have, request that the Mods delete it.
Libertaville
11-08-2005, 06:00
OK. We surely appreciate your opinion. But, Isnt the point and purpose of any goverment to serve people and take care of their wellfare but not just to have power over them. This wouldnt be democracy, but dictatoship or even more regressived form of system.
People of Noposs
The purpose of government, is to take your political ideals and to fuse them into the best possible solution for your nation. I don't believe in Socialism, because I do not believe all people are equal in the way, that Garbage men are as important as Doctors.
You speak of social welfare, but I don't think those who work for their education, their position in life, and their possessions would agree with the idea that some lazy young man, who chose not to get an education has the same position in society.
I believe in taking care of the welfare of my country, but if you want me to do for you, you better also do for yourself. And for all of those sloth people who don't take the education and opportunity my country offers them, I'm sorry, but I can only do so much.
OOC:
If people really existed, then I might agree, but considering I happen to be every branch of my government, I sort of kind of need to make decisions based on what I want.
Yeldan UN Mission
11-08-2005, 06:54
I will not support this. Look capitalists! We are on your side! That never happened. Ahem... Noposs, it is illegal to submit such proposals and will be a taint upon our international record.Do not submit this and if you have, request that the Mods delete it.
Indeed.
Ideological Bans
Okay, so you hate capitalism. That's nice, but you can't ban it. Just like you can't ban communism, socialism, democracy, dictatorships, conservatives, liberals, christians, atheist, or any other political, religous, or economic ideology. While it should go without saying, this is up to the Game Moderator's descretion. You may consider the banning of slavery an oppression of your "economic ideology", we do not.
We applaud your courage in submitting this, but as it effectively outlaws capitalism, there is a good chance that it is illegal. There are ways in which to advance a socio-economic/political system. This isn't one of them.