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Not one of them are for the DVD removal resolution.



I'm speechless.

The DVD Removal reads as if it was written by an eight year old. Syntax wise, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.


It should embarrass everyone on this board...yet not ONE repeal out of what? 50?


I do find that a bit shocking.

I think the TG-campaign discussion is gonna come up here again ... :( Did you make a telegram campaing to promote this repeal. I know it's no fun doing it, I wouldn't either. Tried once, was bored immediately and recieved some hatemail afterwards ... But noone is gonna know it exists if you don't do it. Well there are some, like me, going through the list of proposals sometimes, but most of the delegates don't obviously until you tell them exactly where to go and what to do. Sorry, we are a bit slow in the head in here. (And leave my 8 year old son out of this. I think he made some great work there. :p )

Number of proposed repeals for DVD Region on this forum in the past month: 0 (outside, perhaps, silly proposals).

Number of proposed repeals for DVD Region removal I have ever taken seriously: 1

If someone actually made a repeal that wasn't the quality of the original resolution, got it edited here and asked for help with a TG campaign, I would be more than happy striking it from the record and rewritting it. As it stands, the attempts to repeal it are often misinformed (people believing the resolution is pointless or not having a clue how DVD regions work), or poorly worded. The one I took seriously discussed the issue of pirating (which I actually disagree with as an argument).

A kid you not - one person actually had as his argument for a repeal "What are DVD regions?" Nothing more.

Honestly, if you are so disgusted by the lack of repeals, write your own. The only reason I don't complain about a bunch of resolutions is I have a list sitting in my room of resolutions I'd like to propose - I'm just not yet comfortable (nor do I feel I necessarily have the time or patience) with doing so.

We agree that the DVD resolution is pretty pathetic. So why hasn't there been a repeal? I think it's probably that people tend to invest their time and effort into attempting repeals of legislation they have strong negative feelings about. And perhaps nobody cares enough about the subject matter to go to the trouble of drafting and promoting a repeal.

Not one of them are for the DVD removal resolution.



I'm speechless.

The DVD Removal reads as if it was written by an eight year old. Syntax wise, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.


It should embarrass everyone on this board...yet not ONE repeal out of what? 50?


I do find that a bit shocking.

You have 4 endorsements, thus you are capable of submitting repeals. Write one and submit it. We will approve it.

Not one of them are for the DVD removal resolution.

I'm speechless.

The DVD Removal reads as if it was written by an eight year old. Syntax wise, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.

I do find that a bit shocking.

OOC:
I'm out of the opinion that repeals are easy to write. While there have been some well written repeals, they still aren't really original ideas. They are simply a checklist of reasons to delete something, and the reasons can be lies if you like.

I'm honestly disappointed that the proposal queue is half repeals.


On the subject of the DVD Region Removal resolution, I'd actually abstain or vote for a well-written repeal of that resolution, because my government really doesn't feel it is appropriate for the UN, as written.

Do you wish to rewrite the resolution or simply delete it? If you want to rewrite it, Reformentia set a good example of showing us his government's proposed replacement text while actively campaigning for the repeal "Elimination of Bio Weapons" resolution. Also could you post the text of your repeal here?

With an endorsement i would push for this resolution to be repealed. I believe another well spoken member of this organizational body put it best, so let me paraphrase them.

'This is a weak and poorly written resolution.'

It is beneath the delegate who wrote it, voted on it and passed it.
Regardless of the merits of the cause or its impact this needs to be redone purely because of the poor format, language, and grammatical errors.

I implore any friends out there to help me repeal this resolution.

X.

I think the TG-campaign discussion is gonna come up here again ... :( Did you make a telegram campaing to promote this repeal. I know it's no fun doing it, I wouldn't either. Tried once, was bored immediately and recieved some hatemail afterwards ... But noone is gonna know it exists if you don't do it. Well there are some, like me, going through the list of proposals sometimes, but most of the delegates don't obviously until you tell them exactly where to go and what to do. Sorry, we are a bit slow in the head in here. (And leave my 8 year old son out of this. I think he made some great work there. :p )


Yes yes yes...your 8 year old is the golden child :)


No telegram campaign, that wasn't me. It's just that, come on, it's so poorly written.

I don't care either way regarding whatever it supposed to do...I really don't know since it's SOOOO poorly written.


It's embarrassing I think.

OOC:
I'm out of the opinion that repeals are easy to write. While there have been some well written repeals, they still aren't really original ideas. They are simply a checklist of reasons to delete something, and the reasons can be lies if you like.

I'm honestly disappointed that the proposal queue is half repeals.


On the subject of the DVD Region Removal resolution, I'd actually abstain or vote for a well-written repeal of that resolution, because my government really doesn't feel it is appropriate for the UN, as written.

Do you wish to rewrite the resolution or simply delete it? If you want to rewrite it, Reformentia set a good example of showing us his government's proposed replacement text while actively campaigning for the repeal "Elimination of Bio Weapons" resolution. Also could you post the text of your repeal here?

OOC: Personally I'm so against repeals for the most part (it's like an argument that never ends).

But when regarding syntax and sentence structure...We have to have a standard and it HAS to be higher than that DVD removal resolution.

Umm, I haven't submitted a proposal. And since I'm a delegate...I kind of feel that's not my job.

I feel that proposal writing should be done by members and not delegates. Mostly to balance influence.

But I would totally support (and help campaign) a Repeal for the DVD Removal Res.

I personally feel that the original proposal was grammatically inadequate, and poorly written. I don't understand how it was voted into the UN in the first place, or more importantly how Delegates put their support behind it.

The United Nations has a higher standard then the DVD Removal Act though, and if somebody were to write up a repeal, not only would I support it as a Delegate, but I would be more then weilling to get my few allies to support it.

In this situation, I don't care what the Act says, it is so neanderthal in nature, that it has no right staining the United Nations pages.

Considering the general quality of the entire first few pages of UN resolutions.......

Actually - I'll tell you why. Back then, any and all members could submit proposals - so you have like 100 pages worth of proposals. This proposal wasn't total garbage insofar as it actually did something logical and probably had the luck of just being on page 1

Or perhaps the author did a full TG campaign. Either way.

OOC:
I feel that proposal writing should be done by members and not delegates. Mostly to balance influence.

Hmmm, I've never thought about it that way, but I do see the logic there. And for the record, I believe UN Delegates do plenty of work just skimming over the telegrams they get.

I feel that proposal writing should be done by members and not delegates. Mostly to balance influence.

But then, a lot of delegates get to their position because they're smarter than their members. And members can easily write proposals and submit them to their delegates.

OOC: Umm, I haven't submitted a proposal. And since I'm a delegate...I kind of feel that's not my job.

I feel that proposal writing should be done by members and not delegates. Mostly to balance influence.
And yet there are delegates, like me, who are also resolution authors, and see no problem with being both, because after all, we're just affected by the passage of resolutions as any other UN member, so why wouldn't we want some say in how the UN is going to affect us.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Not one of them are for the DVD removal resolution.
Actally, i've seen more than 10 at one time for the DVD removal resolution. And those repeals looked like they were written by 5 year olds.


I'm speechless.
Doesn't look like it to me.


The DVD Removal reads as if it was written by an eight year old. Syntax wise, it's one of the worst things I've ever read.
No comment about this....


It should embarrass everyone on this board...yet not ONE repeal out of what? 50?
Repeals come and go. Some make it and some don't. As i stated before, most of the repeal proposals that i have seen to repeal the DVD removal were written worse than the actual resolution.


I do find that a bit shocking.
Don't we all....

Hmmm, I've never thought about it that way, but I do see the logic there. And for the record, I believe UN Delegates do plenty of work just skimming over the telegrams they get.

True with this. Sometimes I get more than 30 Telegrams a day for proposals that are worthless. I think that out of all telegrams that i get, i only think that 1 is good.

The PDS has always been against rewrites only based on grammatical errors. The old lets replace it because it looks bad approach is abused much too often for our own tastes. If that were the case, even recent proposals should be repealed based on this fact. (ex: the Civilian Rights Post War resolution has "recognizing" spelled wrong, does this warrant a repeal?)

Instead we should write law that encompasses more than just DVDs, and doesnt affect the other proposal. An example of where this would have worked (and should have been idone in this manner) is with the Bio Weapons ban. Since many people pointed out the original resolution wasn't so much a ban as a call to dismantle weapons, a law actually banning Bioweapons could have been passed before resolution #36 was repealed, since #36 wasnt a ban to begin with. The DVD region repeal would be very similar, and once passed you can try to repeal the old law, and more or less still have DVDs protected. I would submit something like this first:
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Name: Unrestricted International Access to Published Media Act.

Recognizing: Restrictions on media access to any region is detrimental to a products sustainability and profitability.

Prohibits: Any restriction based on regional location, media content, or publishing standards can be placed on a recording medium currently present or in the future.

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Pass this, then repeal the DVD region proposal. Its more logical this way.

Civilian Rights Post War doesn't have "recognising" spelled wrong. I am Australian and was taught to read, write and speak British english, not the American version. It is spelled correctly.

And yet there are delegates, like me, who are also resolution authors, and see no problem with being both, because after all, we're just affected by the passage of resolutions as any other UN member, so why wouldn't we want some say in how the UN is going to affect us.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Oh absolutely. And I'm not looking down on that at all. A writer is a writer and if you got a cause. Fight for it.

I just feel that it's WAY easier for me to discuss and vote on proposals with as much objectivity as I can.

Even if it's forced objectivity. It's probably just me, but I've learned that if I get too invested in an issue...I just become partisan.


And partisan SUCKS ASS!


So in order for me to be as "open minded" as possible, I just can't write them.


But an Author/Delegate has never prevented me from voting FOR a proposal...in fact, I don't read who authored it until after it wins on the floor.


It's mostly an after thought.

But then, a lot of delegates get to their position because they're smarter than their members. And members can easily write proposals and submit them to their delegates.
You must be kidding. Just being a delegate makes noone smarter than anyone else. Being a member of the UN isn't a sure sign of cleverness as well.
Considering the DVD Resolution. Shouldn't we talk about the purpose of the resolution? Are we for what the resolution stands for? In the case of a yes, is a repeal really necessary because it is poorly written? In other words, is correct spelling more important than adressing an important issue? Of course, DVD region codes aren't a vital issue, but I think that is the real question asked here.
In my opinion, poor grammar should be avoided as much as possible, but I am not gonna discriminate any UN-member just because he writes a poorer english than I do, and my english isn't the best. I always have the excuse of not being a native-speaker, still wrong is wrong ... two wrongs don't make a right and blablabla ... So where is the lign? Is my english, for example, good enough to write a proposal? Un-members with good secretaries would be in the best conditions if not. Wouldn't that be disciminatory?

You must be kidding. Just being a delegate makes noone smarter than anyone else. <snip>
That's not what Pojonia said. Many delegates get their positions due to understanding of regional politics, and being able to manipulate large numbers of nations. This requires either shrewdness or cunning, both of which imply intelligence.

Equally, a large number of delegates (particularly in smaller regions) get their poisitions because they are lucky in the way endorsements were put down.

Civilian Rights Post War doesn't have "recognising" spelled wrong. I am Australian and was taught to read, write and speak British english, not the American version. It is spelled correctly.
Waterana is indeed correct. I am Irish and we primarily use British Spelling. Where there is a conflict with a z or an s being in the spelling i try to compensate by inserting the disputed Letters.
EG, Organisations. This is the correct spelling using an IRISH/ENGLISH dictionary. Organizations is correct using a US/ENGLISH dictionary.

In NS i use the following spelling.... Organis(Z)ations. :D
Ever the peace keeper me!

(ps, the american spelling is inferior and incorrect! :p )

That's not what Pojonia said. Many delegates get their positions due to understanding of regional politics, and being able to manipulate large numbers of nations. This requires either shrewdness or cunning, both of which imply intelligence.

Equally, a large number of delegates (particularly in smaller regions) get their poisitions because they are lucky in the way endorsements were put down.

Unfortunately, I think this is a rather simplistic view on big and small region. It is true that you have to be well organised to keep track of the evolution of a big region as a delegate, but UN-matters are rarely that big an issue on regional boards.

At the same time, you aren't just lucky being delegate of a small region. In both cases, this means responsibility and a lot of NS online time! A small region is even better for a delegate, because he can have a better view of what "his" nations feel like concerning UN-matters and it is much easier to get a discussion going about that in regions that have less than a 100 nations. Over that, good luck with really representing a region, with being able to canalyse all the different opinions.

As a conclusion: being well organised isn't a sure sign of intelligence. Of course it helps!

(ps, the american spelling is inferior and incorrect! :p )

Given Jolt is British, I agree.

Unfortunately, I think this is a rather simplistic view on big and small region. It is true that you have to be well organised to keep track of the evolution of a big region as a delegate, but UN-matters are rarely that big an issue on regional boards.

At the same time, you aren't just lucky being delegate of a small region. In both cases, this means responsibility and a lot of NS online time! A small region is even better for a delegate, because he can have a better view of what "his" nations feel like concerning UN-matters and it is much easier to get a discussion going about that in regions that have less than a 100 nations. Over that, good luck with really representing a region, with being able to canalyse all the different opinions.

As a conclusion: being well organised isn't a sure sign of intelligence. Of course it helps!

Because we all know that all delegates go through the UN proposal list....or endorse any proposals....or - etc

Let's see....Anyone seen more than 400 endorsements out of the 2400 delegates.

Anyone seen the crap submitted by some delegates in the form of proposed resolutions?

Anyone noticed how the vast majority of proposed resolutions are poorly thought out or conceived - and a lot of them are written by delegates?

Because we all know that all delegates go through the UN proposal list....or endorse any proposals....or - etc

Let's see....Anyone seen more than 400 endorsements out of the 2400 delegates.

Anyone seen the crap submitted by some delegates in the form of proposed resolutions?

Anyone noticed how the vast majority of proposed resolutions are poorly thought out or conceived - and a lot of them are written by delegates?
Im with The Forgotten on this one. Some of the worst proposals and ideas ive seen were by delegates. Thats not to say the general members of the assembly havent proposed some hummers ! They have :D

I proposed a repeal on the DVD resolution! Please endorse it!

(ps, the american spelling is inferior and incorrect! :p )


Given Jolt is British, I agree.


Let's not debate who's lexicon is better than whom.


I'm a Noah Webster fan myself...But if colour makes you chuffed, well then that's just brilliant.

I proposed a repeal on the DVD resolution! Please endorse it!


Did and will help in any way I can.

Repeal the DVD region resolution, what can I say, I'm
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Bob Flibble
UN Representative

The PDS has always been against rewrites only based on grammatical errors. The old lets replace it because it looks bad approach is abused much too often for our own tastes. If that were the case, even recent proposals should be repealed based on this fact. (ex: the Civilian Rights Post War resolution has "recognizing" spelled wrong, does this warrant a repeal?)

Instead we should write law that encompasses more than just DVDs, and doesnt affect the other proposal. An example of where this would have worked (and should have been idone in this manner) is with the Bio Weapons ban. Since many people pointed out the original resolution wasn't so much a ban as a call to dismantle weapons, a law actually banning Bioweapons could have been passed before resolution #36 was repealed, since #36 wasnt a ban to begin with. The DVD region repeal would be very similar, and once passed you can try to repeal the old law, and more or less still have DVDs protected. I would submit something like this first:
-----------------

Name: Unrestricted International Access to Published Media Act.

Recognizing: Restrictions on media access to any region is detrimental to a products sustainability and profitability.

Prohibits: Any restriction based on regional location, media content, or publishing standards can be placed on a recording medium currently present or in the future.

----------------------

Pass this, then repeal the DVD region proposal. Its more logical this way.


I don't know if the DVD issue is that big of a deal...for the most part. I think down the road maybe (if DVDs remains on top of the media wars, doubtful though).


I say get this off the books and if there's a need to propose another, well we can cross that bridge when we get there.