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To the United Nations:
Blessed by: His Majesty Zuo
Written by: The Minister of Propaganda
Presented by: The President of Slanandonia

Compolsory Civilian Service (CCS)




REALIZING : that many countries are falling prey to the evil clutches of crime and corruption, causing a high mortality rate
harming the global economy and causing chaos and anarchy about the globe;



OBSERVING that the current average police force of a nation is simply inadequete to cope with such an inflation of crime;


AWARE that most nations are unable to afford or recruit more policemen due to various reasons including population limits, civil unrest, and economic turbulence;


NOTING the desire of most nations to try and defeat this disturbing trend with all available resources;



CONVINCED that in order to reduce crime rate, one must start from the youth of a nation and work upwards,
establishing a foundation for a nation of ethical, law abiding citizens, both disciplined and courteous;

1. APPROVES of compulsory civilian service for a length of no shorter than one year
in a national military service which will include rigourous mental and physical training of
every citizen, regardless of gender or race.

2. RECOMMENDS that all army members, in peacetime, should be put to work as
part of their training, in either factories or farms, hopefully negating any
economic loss that a large drop in available workforce would incur.

3. FURTHER RECOMMENDS that all soldiers should be rigourously trained in combat, both armed and unarmed,
and be given a pistol or equivelent to further reduce crime rates, as criminals will be less likely to attack
or rob highly trained and armed citizens.

4. EXPRESSES HOPE that all nations will use these massive armies for the
sole purpose of benefiting the nation, and not by war and conflict, damaging a nation's population even more.

5. ENFORCES federal prisoners to do military training as well, but not to be allowed into combat.
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1. All who are currently employed, or enrolled in a university and/or above the age of 30 by September 1st, 2005. Will be exempt for Compulsory Civilian Service.
2. Those who have completed a 4 year degree from an accredited University will recieve 1/4 of their tuition paid, and will be awarded a " An Honorary Citizen Award" for their service which will offer them opportunties to succeed in the workforce.
3. CCS Will provide the foundation that will help Adults(18-30) strengthen their careers and present them a love of their country.
4. CSS condemns the use of national warfare and unconstitutional military advances.
5. Children from ages 5-17 will be recommended to attend Goverment Influnenced Patriotic Assemblies (GIPA) where they will be led in a postive direction for love of their country, and respect for their family and friends.
6. GIPA comdemns and forbids the use of violent weaponary during its assembly.
7. GIPA children will be taught the importance of Peace and Justice throughout its nation.
8. Those suffering from a documented mental or physical illness, will be exempt from service in all of the above.

The above was written by Slanandonia and Bezhou. Any opinions and thoughts would be helpful.

The main point of the proposal is to train the world's youth to provide something benificial to the whole world, lowering crime rates and increasing the produciton of the world.

We rarely submit proposals, so this is new to all of us, so please be patient. :)

I disagree vehemetely with the belief that we need more police officers. The Empire of Forgottenlands has a severely small police force (second lowest police/capita in our region by last check) but crime continues to be practically unheard of. Right there, I oppose the resolution.

Currently, my military spending is so small that it doesn't even constitute a full percent of our annual budget. However, we have one of the largest militaries within our region just due to the sheer size of the nation. We neither need nor want all of our citizens to have military training.

Resolution Demolition time:

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REALIZING : that many countries are falling prey to the evil clutches of crime and corruption, causing a high mortality rate
harming the global economy and causing chaos and anarchy about the globe;

Little corruption, negligable crime, not concerned about any of these issues within my own country and don't consider anarchy to be illegitamite (flawed, perhaps, but not illegitamite)

OBSERVING that the current average police force of a nation is simply inadequete to cope with such an inflation of crime;

Um....what "inflation of crime" are you speaking of?

AWARE that most nations are unable to afford or recruit more policemen due to various reasons including population limits, civil unrest, and economic turbulence;

MOST nations? Huh? I disagree completely with that statement - for none of the nations I have diplomatic relations with have had any issues when it comes to supplying new officers - they just fail to get officers because they consider it a lower priority

NOTING the desire of most nations to try and defeat this disturbing trend with all available resources;

Considering that I don't see the trend you are talking about, I have a difficulty believing this statement

CONVINCED that in order to reduce crime rate, one must start from the youth of a nation and work upwards,
establishing a foundation for a nation of ethical, law abiding citizens, both disciplined and courteous;

Done - and it worked with no extra police of military forces

1. APPROVES of compulsory civilian service for a length of no shorter than one year
in a national military service which will include rigourous mental and physical training of
every citizen, regardless of gender or race.

Disagree

2. RECOMMENDS that all army members, in peacetime, should be put to work as
part of their training, in either factories or farms, hopefully negating any
economic loss that a large drop in available workforce would incur.

As part of their training, they are supposed to do manual labor? Even more reason to not support it - as my current set up for the reserves means that you get basic training (a few months in length) then are "on call" for anywhere from 2 years to a high of 7 years. While you are in the reserves, you pretty much lead a normal life with exception to an occasional brush-up training on a weekend every second month.

3. FURTHER RECOMMENDS that all soldiers should be rigourously trained in combat, both armed and unarmed,
and be given a pistol or equivelent to further reduce crime rates, as criminals will be less likely to attack
or rob highly trained and armed citizens.

Gun control issue - my citizens aren't allowed private use of weaponry

4. EXPRESSES HOPE that all nations will use these massive armies for the
sole purpose of benefiting the nation, and not by war and conflict, damaging a nation's population even more.

Ok

5. ENFORCES federal prisoners to do military training as well, but not to be allowed into combat.

Prisoners? What prisoners?

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So these are the things we actually have to follow

1. All who are currently employed, or enrolled in a university and/or above the age of 30 by September 1st, 2005. Will be exempt for Compulsory Civilian Service.

Fine

2. Those who have completed a 4 year degree from an accredited University will recieve 1/4 of their tuition paid, and will be awarded a " An Honorary Citizen Award" for their service which will offer them opportunties to succeed in the workforce.

That "Honorary Citizen Award", we already have that: it's called a "University Degree". I feel no reason to recognize them beyond that.

The tuition in my country is already fully paid for, so.....what's 1/4 of $0?

Besides which - Tuition is basically where the University makes up running expenses where the government funding falls short - so forcing the government to pay 1/4 of the tuition means the government could just cut spending on universities by that "1/4" and then funnel that money to University students to pay 1/4 of their tuition. All it does is mandate that countries need to fund at least 1/4 of University education - which is far from the level we need.

3. CCS Will provide the foundation that will help Adults(18-30) strengthen their careers and present them a love of their country.

I would rather my adults question the actions of my country and start determining what it is within my country that needs to be changed. If I'm going to be pushing this sort of stuff, I would push the need for civil dissent (as opposed to violent). Further, it does not, in any way, logically strengthen the careers of anyone within my country. If you give a benefit to all people equally - none get an advantage from it. In fact, it removes the benefit granted to those that voluntarily go into the reserves.

4. CSS condemns the use of national warfare and unconstitutional military advances.

*gapes* Even more reason to not support this matter. I steadfastly support my welfare programs.

Define "unconstitutional military advances". I was not aware that nations put in their constitution "we do not wish to advance into such and such area of weaponry". Besides which, if the constitution says that you shouldn't advance into that area....as the ultimate law of a country, it kinda means it's not going to happen.

5. Children from ages 5-17 will be recommended to attend Goverment Influnenced Patriotic Assemblies (GIPA) where they will be led in a postive direction for love of their country, and respect for their family and friends.

Refuse to agree. Again, I would rather my people dissented against my country (in a peaceful manner) so that it may be improved where it falls short.

6. GIPA comdemns and forbids the use of violent weaponary during its assembly.

Ok

7. GIPA children will be taught the importance of Peace and Justice throughout its nation.

Already part of my standard education program

8. Those suffering from a documented mental or physical illness, will be exempt from service in all of the above.

Fine

Hmm.... Something is bugging me even more about this resolution:

Your preamble talks about how nations are not spending enough on police forces and discusses extensively this inflation of crime as a result (and various components regarding that).

Your first section discusses and implements Compulsary Military Service

Your second section discusses:
1 - Exemptions to first section
2 - Education (Tuition)
3 - Comment - not an actual law
4 - Welfare and weapons research
5 - Propoganda/Brainwashing/Political Stability
6 - Regulation
7 - Education
8 - Exemptions to everything

So let's see - we've hit:
-Human Rights
-Moral Decency
-Political Stability
-International Security
-Global Disarmament

........

Honestly, if you really want to push this resolution, my advice is to make the preamble relevant to the first section, and in the second section, drop all but articles 1 and 8 (maybe keep 2 - though I think it's irrelevant, 5-7 I would suggest belong in a resolution on their own).

Compulsory Civilian Service.



We call this National Service and males enter it at age ten and females at age twelve.. Thus we do not need the UN to tell us how to operate our CCS or NS or whatever we have in place. Also you say from age 18-30 where our citizens by 16 have completed NS and are productive citizens of our nation. Many with children who are being brought up to follow them.. as by age five all children start basic education.. The two years difference between male and female is to provide the female with additional training as the mother of future generation of Zeldonians. Thus any proposal of this nature by the UN would not benifit us as we already have our NS that does what you want this CCS... So I say other nations need to get it done on their own. If they need outlines on how it works and all that they can find the general plans in at least three UN committees who have them and have been studying them for some time. So contact them for these.

We concur with the delegate from Zeldon 6229, as a nation with similar national service programs. Youth in Our nation are expected to serve one or more years of service to the Holy Otaku Church of the Eternal Kawaii in the roles of acolytes (for young men) or shrine maidens (for young women). We take pride in Our younger generation's zeal and energy to serve Our church, and see no need for a UN resolution on this matter.

I'll be adding very little on consequence to this conversation, but I thought I'd make a few comments. Feel free to ignore.

I disagree vehemetely with the belief that we need more police officers. The Empire of Forgottenlands has a severely small police force (second lowest police/capita in our region by last check) but crime continues to be practically unheard of.4th smallest police spending in the world right here, baby! :cool:

don't consider anarchy to be illegitamite (flawed, perhaps, but not illegitamite)Flawed? Pfft.

MOST nations? Huh? I disagree completely with that statement - for none of the nations I have diplomatic relations with have had any issues when it comes to supplying new officers - they just fail to get officers because they consider it a lower priorityMaybe in his region there's a bunch of nations that have this line: "Crime is a major problem, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate." Taken from a puppet, thankyouverymuch. I'm crime-free. Yay!

Gun control issue - my citizens aren't allowed private use of weaponry :eek: Commie!

That "Honorary Citizen Award", we already have that: it's called a "University Degree". I feel no reason to recognize them beyond that.We prefer the term "diploma", but whichever works.

*gapes* Even more reason to not support this matter. I steadfastly support my welfare programs.He said warfare, not welfare. 'Course, I support banning both, but...

Flawed? Pfft.

I disagree with the concept that people can govern themselves - however I acknowledge that others both feel differently and can operate their countries differently so it does work, but that doesn't mean I choose that method.

Maybe in his region there's a bunch of nations that have this line: "Crime is a major problem, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding and a high mortality rate." Taken from a puppet, thankyouverymuch. I'm crime-free. Yay!

Wow - from all my friends all of my nations and what I've seen in my region, I've never seen that before.

:eek: Commie!

Socialist, thankyouverymuch

He said warfare, not welfare. 'Course, I support banning both, but...

Oh, whoops. Ok, then I take no issue with that statement.

Now, I'm not saying national sovereignety on this one but... This has no international effect. So what if the People's Republic has a small police force? It does not affect my people or the stability of my nation as a market. Large police forces often help to destabilise a nation even further. i will vehemently oppose this. There is no need for compulsory service, we have plenty of volunteers ready to serve their duties and patrol the streets and guard the people. As for the gun issue, only our officers have guns. A common citizen has no need for a gun.

We already have National Service, therefore we find this rather pointless.

Signed:

President Jason Curtis

Ruler of 'The Majin Ideal'

This is not something the UN should be involving itself in. No support.

The Hibernian Kingdom of Venerable Libertarians has compulsory Military service for all able bodied members of society. How ever we do this as part of both our national defence strategy and as a deterent to crime.
If the UN were to force Civilian service we would have to follow those guidelines. Our system works and we are happy to keep it as it is. We reserve the right to tweak it as we see fit and if nesessary remove it altogether.

We are not against CCS but we are against UN controls for it.

Not approved!

Prince Esheram Byron.

The government of Telidia feels strongly this should remain a national issue and can see no benefit to the international community in regards to compulsory military service. We also feel strongly that individuals wishing to join the armed services of their nation by their own freewill is far more preferable than those conscripted to service. After all there may be the very real possibility that these individuals may need to lay down their lives for their nation and this we feel is a decision the individual must come to terms with before they join the armed services.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

What's a "federal prisoner" anyway? We're not a federation, so we don't have any of those...

This proposal reads two ways to me..

Lets train and brainwash our entire population into becoming well trained, well behaved soldier robot sheep, and lets sneak a "give every citizen guns" law in by the back door.

If you take out the bits pertaining to "love of their country" and arming every citizen I won't oppose this. I won't support it either however. Our nation doesn't have or need national service.

The bit about criminals made me laugh too. You used the number 1 pro gun arguement that doesn't make any sense. The "criminals won't commit crimes if everyone is armed" fallacy. You do realise that criminals will just go armed on their crime sprees to protect themselves from armed civilians and under this they are going to be just as well trained in using guns as their vicitms.

The Theocracy of New Prospero is decidedly against this proposal. There are many nations, including New Prospero, that do not suffer much crime and/or have effective ways of dealing with crime already. This proposal, should it pass, would merely serve to delay the ratification of more important proposals.





Isaac Dionysius,
Ambassador to the UN,
Theocracy of New Prospero

Pojonia is one of the more dangerous countries in the world, but to even consider such an idea would be ridiculous in our heads. However, noting that this is more of a protection of a right to draft rather than forcing a nation to draft, we again fail to see a reason to protect a fairly oppressive right that isn't necessarily outlawed by the U.N. anyways.