NationStates Jolt Archive

This place is run by a bunch of damn hippies and tree huggers. Every resolution that comes up the vote ends up on the soft side. Oh no let's ban chemical weapons but save baby seals, let's save rivers but kill big business in the process, no wait we can't have nuclear research let's put the money into coloring books instead. RIDICULOUS. It's a tough world people. Let's start voting more accordingly!
Out,
CSwan.

You're right: it is a tough world, so I shall continue to vote in favor of people not getting f***** by it.

Actually, this place is run by The Global Communist Conspiracy. Just thought you should know. ;)

Actually, this place is run by The Global Communist Conspiracy. Just thought you should know. ;)
Nah, it's the Militant Pink Socialites. Get with the times!

Nah, it's the Militant Pink Socialites. Get with the times!

I am with the times. Soon, the infamous National Sovereignty Mafia will rule the UN. Bwahahahaha! :D

And those damn pinkos passed not one, but two Resolutions that protect a nation's right to have nuclear weapons. THE FIENDS!

And those damn pinkos passed not one, but two Resolutions that protect a nation's right to have nuclear weapons. THE FIENDS!

That's just proof that the National Sovereignty Mafia is taking over... :cool:

That's just proof that the National Sovereignty Mafia is taking over... :cool:
Yes dear.

Personally I'm hoping for good old conservatism and common sense to win out. Trust me true believers it will. Conservatism has a belief in moral standards, and a belief in absolutes, not ambiguity and warm feelings. Eventually we will win in the end, because we can sustain ourselves by seeing the big picture, and knowing how to get there. Keep the faith fellow conservatives we are on the winning side of history. ;)

Excelsior,
Emperor Captian Spaulding I
Holy Empire of the Palentine

This place is run by a bunch of damn hippies and tree huggers.
Being one of those hippies and tree huggers :D I must admit, that there is little discussion in the UN. Basically every proposition reaching quorum will pass as a resolution. Quorum is only reached by intesive telegram campaigns ... You can discuss it in this forum as much as you like!
So, it is obvious that the majority of UN-member nations aren't in here for the UN, but to have more power on an international level, basically to be able to invade other regions! So, as a rather new UN-member, I must say, that I rapidly have come to the point of thinking that this UN-assembly is a joke and that active UN-member nations - conservative or not - are bound to be disappointed by decisions and discussions in here.
Nevertheless,
Peace and love brothers and sisters
I'll plant a flower for all of you so you can decorate your rifles (it looks prettier and it kills just as well, male, female, child, ennemy and friend)
Cally24 :cool:

OOC: *sigh* you know, all of you who complain about this, but don't do anything else about it really should have just one thread for complaints.

If you don't like it, do something about it beside sitting back and complaining

BlueTiger']If you don't like it, do something about it beside sitting back and complaining

I suggest you just stop complaining nicely seated behind your computer. And don't bold and italic me, or I'll just have to do something about it!

God forbid that the UN be democratic, where the decision of the majority is law! (well, it's unrealistic, but that's the joy of a virtual world is it not?

Basically every proposition reaching quorum will pass as a resolution. Quorum is only reached by intesive telegram campaigns ...

Fortunately that's not entirely true...my resolution on sustainable energy sources both reached quorum and was passed without any campaigning at all aside from a small conversation in this forum :)

This place is run by a bunch of damn hippies and tree huggers. Every resolution that comes up the vote ends up on the soft side. Oh no let's ban chemical weapons but save baby seals, let's save rivers but kill big business in the process, no wait we can't have nuclear research let's put the money into coloring books instead. RIDICULOUS. It's a tough world people. Let's start voting more accordingly!
Out,
CSwan.

I'm so sorry to hear that you object to policies of sustainability and compassion. By all means continue to vent your disappointment at this tide of justice, but don't expect it to end any time soon.

Us hippies have only just begun!

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you!

some stats concerning "The Sex Education Act"

50 UN delegate have approved after less than 11 hours it was submitted
most of them did it after we have send them a TG

in this lapse of time we have send 550 TG to UN delegates (25% of UN delegates)

so the ratio in 11 hours = 50/550 = 9% (>6%)

we are new to the UN, so we dont have reference
the question for us now is:
should we continue to send TG or not?
send TG is very very very boring, time consuming, fastidious and is an astonishing effort
but if we stop now we rise the risk that the proposition wil not pass!!!
this is why even if we will not send TG to 100% or 70% of UN delegates
we will continue untill maybe 40% (or 50%)

12 UN delegates have sent us a TG (all of them very polite)
6 => telling us they have approved it
3 => telling us why they not approve it
2 => telling us they will look at it
1 => telling us they don't want UN related TG

(one Nation send us a second TG, because by error we sent them 2 TG; we must admit we have made this error by inadvertence 3 or 4 times;
to remember to who we have send TG, we add them to the Dossier")

the TG we have sent is as follow:
_________________________________________________
Dear UN delegate,

The Most Serene Republic of Love and esterel is pleased to inform you

“The Sex Education Act”

had been submitted today to the UN

Many UN members are indeed worried about the lack of sex education worldwide.
We had first post a draft on the UN forum, and had worked hard with the help of many nations to improve it and reach a consensus.
We hope you will look at it and approve it, if you agree with.


Thank You

PS: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/60242/page=UN_proposal/start=24
________________________________________________________________

As regional delegate of Moperville, I'm recieving increased amounts of telegrams about new resolutions. They are a bit annoying sometimes, but if I don't want to read them it's not exactly an effort to ignore and delete them. Besides, occasionally a well written, friendly telegram about an issue that concerns me will lead to my supporting a proposal. I think they're a fair way to campaign.

Wrong thread - please don't hijack this one

I'll answer the question in the original thread

So which one is the original? Would be nice if you told us, Forgottenlands.

The Sex Education Act thread

But we were about to discuss voting process and the vast telegram-campaigns mostly-needed to get something voted. What has that to do with Sex Education? Wouldn't we hijack that threat instead? This one seems more appropriate to TG-campaign discussion than sexual education, doesn't it? :confused:

ok we are sorry for oru post, but some people begin to discuss about TG campaign in this thread, this is why we have posted here

sorry

ok we are sorry for oru post, but some people begin to discuss about TG campaign in this thread, this is why we have posted here

sorry

And you were right to do so. It is a perfect example and feeds the discussion!

The thread was discussing how the UN generally votes and the rebuttle was a discussion about the necessity of TG campaigning for a proposal. Your post was looking for specific advice on how to continue the campaign for your proposal - which I feel is more relevant on the proposal's thread than here where we've been talking about qualitative issues rather than quantitative (trends as opposed to actual numbers). I could've also seen you making a new thread for advice should you have chosen to, but I didn't feel it belonged here.

Perhaps the mods might've felt differently, but the discussion regarding that has returned to your thread for the time being.

The thread was discussing how the UN generally votes and the rebuttle was a discussion about the necessity of TG campaigning for a proposal. Your post was looking for specific advice on how to continue the campaign for your proposal - which I feel is more relevant on the proposal's thread than here where we've been talking about qualitative issues rather than quantitative (trends as opposed to actual numbers). I could've also seen you making a new thread for advice should you have chosen to, but I didn't feel it belonged here.

Perhaps the mods might've felt differently, but the discussion regarding that has returned to your thread for the time being.

should i do something or delete the post or is it ok?

nah - just let the thread drift back to the topic at hand.....or die as I think it is doomed to do.

nah - just let the thread drift back to the topic at hand.....or die as I think it is doomed to do.
Yeah ... Well, at least, this is yet another threat that a right winged @*#&% began, which was taken over by some bunch of treehuggers! Good doing.
To Forgottenlands: I always like being reminded which behavior is appropriate. So you just keep on telling us what to do and this forum will stay nice and clean! Keep up the good work, Big Brother!
And now, lets face the doom ...

Extremeism in the defense of Liberty, is no vice; and Moderation in the pursiut of Justice,is no virtue.
-Sen. Barry Goldwater (R) Arizona

God I miss Barry :(

Shoot the lice ridden hippies or send them to forced labour camps for a haircut and "Re-education", as for the cretinous Tree-huggers just do them with a Chain Saw.
Problem solved really.


Harry the Bastard
ReichsFuhrer
BastardosLand

Shoot the lice ridden hippies or send them to forced labour camps for a haircut and "Re-education", as for the cretinous Tree-huggers just do them with a Chain Saw.
Problem solved really.


Harry the Bastard
ReichsFuhrer
BastardosLand

I send to you the vibrations of the loving world you're living in. The trees love you, the flowers love you, the fish in the lake love you, the dogs don't love you - but that's just because you smell -, the cows love you, the worms love you, the birds, they shit on you but ... that happens so don't hate them, the wind loves you, the rain loves you, the sun loves you too, and I ... :upyours:

Peace and love

Extremeism in the defense of Liberty, is no vice; and Moderation in the pursiut of Justice,is no virtue.
-Sen. Barry Goldwater (R) Arizona

God I miss Barry :(

Ah yes, Barry "Let's lob one into the men's room at the Kremlin" Goldwater. How could we forget him.

Good times eh

Leonard Otterby

Thanks to men like Senator Goldwater and President Reagan we won and the Kremlin lost. So yeah Good Times!Happy Days are Here Again! :D The Good Guys triumphed over the Evil Empire.

I'm sorry, but many of you are acting under false assumptions. While most proposals that reach quorum pass, some do not. This reflects the method behind getting proposals to quorum in the first place - if you've got that much support, it usually indicates that there is support from a large cross-section of ideologies.

But proposals can be voted down. I can't remember the most recent off the top of my head, but it has happened. The game doesn't archive failed resolutions, but some places and players do - NSWiki for one.

I'm sorry, but many of you are acting under false assumptions. While most proposals that reach quorum pass, some do not. This reflects the method behind getting proposals to quorum in the first place - if you've got that much support, it usually indicates that there is support from a large cross-section of ideologies.

But proposals can be voted down. I can't remember the most recent off the top of my head, but it has happened. The game doesn't archive failed resolutions, but some places and players do - NSWiki for one.

True - but with exception to Nuclear Armaments, we haven't had a right wing proposal in a while - and certainly not one that got voted down since I returned to NS

... I must admit, that there is little discussion in the UN. Basically every proposition reaching quorum will pass as a resolution. Quorum is only reached by intesive telegram campaigns ... You can discuss it in this forum as much as you like!
So, it is obvious that the majority of UN-member nations aren't in here for the UN, but to have more power on an international level, basically to be able to invade other regions! So, as a rather new UN-member, I must say, that I rapidly have come to the point of thinking that this UN-assembly is a joke and that active UN-member nations - conservative or not - are bound to be disappointed by decisions and discussions in here.

I am rather hoping that this is not true, as I would like to find a reigon and join the UN (braces for the TGs), but I am not interested in "raiding" another reigon or fighting a faux-war with another NationState.

Perhaps someone could point out where the interesting disscussions take place?

I am rather hoping that this is not true, as I would like to find a reigon and join the UN (braces for the TGs), but I am not interested in "raiding" another reigon or fighting a faux-war with another NationState.

Perhaps someone could point out where the interesting disscussions take place?

Oh - just because there is little discussion doesn't mean there is no discussion - it's just out of the 36000 members and 15000 votes cast, there's like....maybe 75 people that post on the most controversial resolutions (most resolutions probably don't see much more than 30 - definately not over 50). We have some good debates, but we hardly represent the voting populace.

<snip>it's just out of the 36000 members and 15000 votes cast, there's like....maybe 75 people that post on the most controversial resolutions (most resolutions probably don't see much more than 30 - definately not over 50).<snip>
Imagine if all 36000 of them suddenly decided to post here.

Imagine if all 36000 of them suddenly decided to post here.

The server would crash long before that number was reached. :D

we hardly represent the voting populace.

There actually is statistical evidence to suggest that we may in fact be representative of the larger UN voting populace:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Mitigation_of_Large_Reservoirs

The poll on the Powerhungry Chipmunk's The Microcredit Bazaar resolution should help with this, and if AD would be so kind to set up a similar poll, I think we have the potential to start a good study to address the question:

Is the UN forum representative of the larger UN member's voting trends?

The server would crash long before that number was reached. :D

My brain would crash long before that number was reached

My brain would crash long before that number was reached


Ditto That.