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Understanding that many workers are underpayed

Further noting that many people are unemployed

Stating that the government must have a minimum wage deemed suitable by a committee

Further Insuring all citizens of working age in a country shall have a job available to that said person, or possibly create one in the government

Noting that if the said standards for employment can not be met that said person will be put on welfare and the government will look for a job that fits the persons needs.

All companys must have their workers insured and accept liability for injuries not caused by the said worker or one of their co-workers while at work.

This Act will ban all forms of prejudice in the work place, and insure that nobody is denied a job because of their race, ethnicity, believes or religion.


Category:social justice
Strength:significant

I decided to change and add more to the Minimum Wage act I had created because many people said if changes were made they would support it. This is going much better than the other one.

Its stupid and EVIL communist resolutions like this one that made Torontia leave the UN!

Ill be dammed if I spend my money on lazy unemployed shits and CEOs having to spend more of their hard earned money on selfish and greedy workers!

Left wing fucks!

my governement supports this initative 150 percent.

The hardworking and prosperous peoples of North Zerovia wishes to point to the lazy and consequently underpaid vermin of South Zerovia as fundamental case example to the flaws to such a vile socialist notion.

Let the people who can not, do not.

The hardworking and prosperous peoples of North Zerovia wishes to point to the lazy and underpaid slackers of South Zerovia as fundamental case example to the flaws to such a vile socialist notion.

Let the people who can not, do not.

the only people who will be funded are those who have no jobs available.

This act absolutely must be passed. Our basic obligation to our citizens is to provide them with decent living conditions and rights, and this act will help ensure that all citizens have the opportunity to have the best life they can.

The hardworking and prosperous peoples of North Zerovia wishes to point to the lazy and consequently underpaid vermin of South Zerovia as fundamental case example to the flaws to such a vile socialist notion.

Let the people who can not, do not.


The Government of ROADP would like to inform the Government of North Zerovia that many hardworking workers in many countries are underpiad and underemployed. According to my government's study, there is very little correlation between laziness and level of income.

Sincerely
Minister of Human Resources of ROADP, Karl Marx.

Karl Marx, yeah can see why you came to that conclusion, communist fuck!

Harder working people are richer, fact!

Let the poor stay poor.

Karl Marx, yeah can see why you came to that conclusion, communist fuck!

Harder working people are richer, fact!

Let the poor stay poor.

Karl Marx wasn't communist, he was a socialist, why are you here anyway, you left the UN, some poor people do not get the chance to become rich and some rich people inherited it.

why are you here anyway, you left the UN



Karl Marx is a Marxist. ;)

Karl Marx is a Marxist. ;)

Didn't he invent socialism?

yeah can see why you came to that conclusion, communist fuck!

Left wing fucks!
Its stupid and EVIL communist resolutions like this one that made Torontia leave the UN!
And it's stupid and flaming comments like the above that got you your Official Warning for flaming. Next one's a forumban. I'd advise you to learn from your mistakes.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
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Ohh, lookie - even the warning is a damned Red! It's a Communist Conspiracy, I swear!

Didn't he invent socialism?


I am sure he did, i was half joking. Marx said he was not a marxist. I personally do not know if he considered himself a communist or a socialist or both. I know that its a transition..you have to have a socialist nation before you can adopt communism.

I think the category needs to be changed to "social justice" because of these clauses:
Stating that the government must have a minimum wage deemed suitable by a committee
Noting that if the said standards for employment can not be met that said person will be put on welfare and the government will look for a job that fits the persons needs.
The committee (which serves no purpose, lose it) and the bit about welfare involve a tax increase, thus it should be "social justice", not "human rights".
]Human Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
]Social Justice
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.
In addition, "Social Justice" also increases government spending on welfare and healthcare <snip>

Ill be dammed if I spend my money on lazy unemployed shits and CEOs having to spend more of their hard earned money on selfish and greedy workers!


I can honestly tell you that ditch diggers performing manual labor in Alabama and recieving $2 an hour have worked harder in one week than Jeff Skilling ever worked in his whole lifetime. :rolleyes:

OOC: Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that Torontia has left the UN, but if you don't mind me asking, if your not in the UN, shouldn't you not be allowed to post here.


IC:

The Republic of BlueTiger felt in the past that a such an idea could not work, however, this proposal is very well thought out and written. This proposal has our support.

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
UN Representtive of The Republic of BlueTiger

BlueTiger']OOC: Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that Torontia has left the UN, but if you don't mind me asking, if your not in the UN, shouldn't you not be allowed to post here.
OOC: Anyone can post here, regardless of UN membership status. Since I have this UN puppet, and it holds the delegacy for our region, I feel that it is proper to use it. I think this is especially true since there is a resolution at vote and I might be tempted to post in the official discussion thread. In a normal discussion thread (like this one), I suppose it might be alright to post with my main nation. I just don't feel like logging in and out repeatedly.

The government of Telidia regrets it will not able to offer our support in favour of this proposal. While we commend the Sumgy delegation for their sense of social responsibility we do not feel the proposed text is suitable. In our humble opinion the proposed text will in fact do far more harm than good and could ultimately result in serious damage to the economies of some members.

Whilst we agree the setting of a minimum wage is an important aspect in trying to raise income inequality we feel it is unrealistic to enforce employment since employment simply may not exist for every citizen within our poorer members as proposed. Considering this fact the further demand to then place such citizens in a welfare program by a nation, whose finances may already be stretched in just providing for the basic needs of its people, becomes unfortunately a worthy but simply unrealistic expectation.

The government of Telidia feels the UN member body may be better served looking at proposals to help the poorer citizens of our members more directly. We feel many economic proposals can be found to help the economies of such nations, but mandating sweeping welfare, economic, humanitarian and social reform is simply not in the best interest of these members.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

that is a great idea Telidia. Someone needs to make a proposal that will help the poorer countries.

The government of Telidia regrets it will not able to offer our support in favour of this proposal. While we commend the Sumgy delegation for their sense of social responsibility we do not feel the proposed text is suitable. In our humble opinion the proposed text will in fact do far more harm than good and could ultimately result in serious damage to the economies of some members.

Whilst we agree the setting of a minimum wage is an important aspect in trying to raise income inequality we feel it is unrealistic to enforce employment since employment simply may not exist for every citizen within our poorer members as proposed. Considering this fact the further demand to then place such citizens in a welfare program by a nation, whose finances may already be stretched in just providing for the basic needs of its people, becomes unfortunately a worthy but simply unrealistic expectation.

The government of Telidia feels the UN member body may be better served looking at proposals to help the poorer citizens of our members more directly. We feel many economic proposals can be found to help the economies of such nations, but mandating sweeping welfare, economic, humanitarian and social reform is simply not in the best interest of these members.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

The government of the Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople would like to respond that minimum wages is supposed to provide for the basic needs of the people.

My government also thinks it would , perhaps, be more appropriate to call it a "livable wage" instead of "minimum wage"

Madonna, UN Ambassador
Government of ROADP

OOC: Anyone can post here, regardless of UN membership status. Since I have this UN puppet, and it holds the delegacy for our region, I feel that it is proper to use it. I think this is especially true since there is a resolution at vote and I might be tempted to post in the official discussion thread. In a normal discussion thread (like this one), I suppose it might be alright to post with my main nation. I just don't feel like logging in and out repeatedly.

OOC: The post was directed at Torontia, though you do make a valid point.

My government also thinks it would , perhaps, be more appropriate to call it a "livable wage" instead of "minimum wage"
I agree that the minimum wage laws should be centered around the idea of producing 'livable' wages (which I believe needs decided by individual governments). That's why I like Roathin's post/proposal idea, mentioned in another thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9326779&postcount=20


Greetings.

-snip-

Our thoughts on minimum wage are simple: peg it to what is required for survival. Should the job be a full job, then it will allow for survival plus some small increment which is a growth allowance (e.g. 105% of survival minimum). Should the job be a half-job, then it will allow for survival plus the same allowance, divided by two. And so on. This wage can be paid in economic tokens (e.g. money or credits) or in kind (items equivalent to such economic value).

Remember that employers may choose to employ whom they will. What we wish to work toward is that the entire day's provision for a worker should be sufficient compensation to allow continued viability both as a biological organism and as a member of society.

Finally, we note that should a worker not wish to work, he should manifestly not be given sufficient provision by fiat. He should instead negotiate for his life, as every living being does beneath the face of the universal.