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Description: Description: We, the United Nation, recognize the basic human rights of all individuals, including the transgender people. Employment protection, equal rights and medical treatments should be allowed access by members of the transgender community.


Believing that Human right is an essential expression of full humanity and that
every human being, including the transgender people, deserves to realize their humanities and therefore be treated with equal respect and dignity.

Taking into account that everyone has the right and freedom of choice as outlined in the resolution of Universal Freedom of Choice. Therefore, everyone is also entitled to express themselves by assuming gender roles that might or might not fit with the expectation of any given culture , religion or society.

Fully acknowledges that Gender Identity Disorder is another issue that some members, but not all, of the transsexual community are diagnosed with. It is also a legitimate disorder that is recognized by most psychologists and medical doctors.

Convinced that people who have been tested to have gender identity disorder has the right to purchase or access medical treatments, including sex reassignment surgeries.


Noting with satisfaction that a significant number of human right laws have already been approved by the United Nation.

Noting with Regrets, however, that none of the past human rights resolutions made any mention on the right of the transgender person.

The transgender person is defined as any person who expresses an innate sense of gender other than their birth sex; any intersexes person; anyone who expressed their genders in a way that contravenes societal expectations

Alarmed by the many cases of anti-transgender hate crimes that are not reported or dealt with properly by the local authorities.

Acknowledging that many transgender people are discriminated against in employments.

Be it resolved that the Transsexual Equality Act be recognized and declared by the United Nation.

Article one: One’s gender identity or expression shall be included as a prohibited ground of discrimination; any transgender person should receive the same right as everyone else residing in all U.N member countries.

Article two: Law enforcement authorities may access basic training on transsexual issues so they can adequately and sufficiently handle cases of transgender hate crimes and that equal justice can be served to all members of the society.

Article 3: All Anti transgender discrimination in hiring, promotion, training and dismissal will be outlawed in all U.N countries.

Article 4: Discrimination in health care for the transgender people will also be banned. Everyone has the right to wellness psychologically and emotionally. As a result, members from the transsexual community shall be allowed to purchase or access sex reassignment surgeries and its related health care options in most of the hospitals of all U.N countries.


Article 5: Transsexuals who are identified as suffering from gender identity disorder and had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. Other transgender people, including cross dressers, feminine men , masculine women will continue to be legally defined by their biological sex at birth.



Sincerely,
Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

(OOC)

Hey you signed up for my civil war, well its now started.

Check out the 'Leftist Riot and Civil War in Torontia' thread.

BTW Ill oppose this evil commie resolution.

Fags should be shot!

(OOC)

Hey you signed up for my civil war, well its now started.

Check out the 'Leftist Riot and Civil War in Torontia' thread.

BTW Ill oppose this evil commie resolution.

Fags should be shot!


The Prime Minister of the Agnostic Deeishpeople has withdrawn its involvment in Torontia's civil war.

"We oppose any form of violence but we are willing to work with Torontia in a diplomatic manner."


and i have to go to work =0

Urcea says Nay.

BTW Ill oppose this evil commie resolution.
We find it rather funny that you immediately equate more rights with communism. What is communist about giving people the ability to act freely?

In fact, there are capitalists out there believe that social libertarianism comes as the ultimate conclusion of a free market, you know.

Wewould think that giving people as many individual rights as possible can be a very individualist thing to do, if one chooses to do it for that reason.

The transgender people are defined as people who express an innate sense of gender other than their birth sexe. This term includes those who have non traditional gender roles or expression
but have no desire to undergo any or all of the sex change options.

Ecchi!

Ecchi!


what is that supposed to mean?

OOC: I think he was trying to point out that transgenders are not "fags" (fags being a bigot term for gay people).

IC:

Dear Repersentive of the Agnostic Deeishpeople,

Your proposal is well thought out. It renforces the civil rights that the Republic of BlueTiger likes to endorse. You may expect support from us in any was that we may supply it to you.

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
Deputy of The Republic of BlueTiger's Foreign Affairs

The government of the Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople is absolutely delighted to receive the support of the Enlightened Blue Tiger’s nation. The Government is extremely committed to enshrine this important piece of human right legislation to the U.N charter. The government realises its difficulties in pushing through this resolution because of the overwhelming prejudicial attitudes against transsexual people. However, Blue Tiger nation can be assured that that we will do everything we can to protect the well being and safety of transgendered citizens of ALL U.N countries.

The government would also like to encourage the Republic of Blue tiger to join the U.N in order to help support our proposal. We would also seek for support of the The Republic of Ilyich, the U.N delegate of for your region.


Last but not least, we would also like you to visit , or even join up, our region, which is called the Democrats. We are a group of nations that support socialistic or left leaning democratic nations. Being a regional member of the Democrats, your nation can endorse The Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople and this government can submit The Transgender Equality and Protection Act for U.N's consideration.



Sincerely

Hermione Granger,
Foreign Relation Director

I'm currently opposed to this proposal on the usual national sovereignty grounds, though I agree with the sentiments expressed in it.

I would like to note that in the Federation people of all gender identities are allowed the same extensive civil, political, and economic freedoms.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

The Republic of Agnostic Deeishepople appreciates your concern over national sovereignty as related to The Transgender Equality and Protection Act. Our republic deeply believes in the right of individual nation to decide its own national characteristic; however, ROADP, Republic of Agnostic Deeish people, also believes human right is an issue that transcends national borders. It is also important to recognize that the Transgender Equality and Protection Act is an extension of the Universal bill of right ; as such, it is not a completely new resolution and it should not be considered dangerous or in violation to national sovereignty.

ROADP is also pleased that many nations have already adopted full equal rights for transgendered people; however, much works needed to be done.

ROADP recognizes the importance of having the U.N to send a message of hope and tolerance for the transsexual people who are still suffering from barbaric and inhuman treatment by their own governments and fellow citizens.

The government of ROADP is happy to answer any particular concern over this proposal and welcome the debate immensely.

Sincerely ,

Madonna Ciccone Ritichie, U.N Ambassador of ROADP

The Republic of Agnostic Deeishepople appreciates your concern over national sovereignty as related to The Transgender Equality and Protection Act. Our republic deeply believes in the right of individual nation to decide its own national characteristic; however, ROADP, Republic of Agnostic Deeish people, also believes human right is an issue that transcends national borders. It is also important to recognize that the Transgender Equality and Protection Act is an extension of the Universal bill of right ; as such, it is not a completely new resolution and it should not be considered dangerous or in violation to national sovereignty.

ROADP is also pleased that many nations have already adopted full equal rights for transgendered people; however, much works needed to be done.

ROADP recognizes the importance of having the U.N to send a message of hope and tolerance for the transsexual people who are still suffering from barbaric and inhuman treatment by their own governments and fellow citizens.

The government of ROADP is happy to answer any particular concern over this proposal and welcome the debate immensely.

Sincerely ,

Madonna Ciccone Ritichie, U.N Ambassador of ROADP

I appreciate your candor and attempt to assuage my concerns, but I must still oppose the proposal.

The following is an explanation of the political hilosophy behind my disagreement with your argument, and the reason I don't believe any right is universal or can be universal in our world.

A few basic facts that underly my position...

1. Rights are freedoms guaranteed to individuals by a state.
2. The United Nations cannot guarantee rights in any form because loopholes exist in all UN legislation that allow for those rights to be taken away by national governments.
3. The United Nations is not universal, as its membership only constitutes approximately one third of all nations in our world.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

ROADP wonders if the Minister of UN affairs feels this way about ANY AND ALL human rights resolution passed by the United Nations?
ROADP also realises that there's virtually no absolute way for any nation to obey any U.N resolutions, ROADP believes that this is a rather moot point.


Madonna, U.N Ambassador of ROADP and a Famous Singer.

ROADP wonders if the Minister of UN affairs feel this way about ANY AND ALL human rights resolution passed by the United Nations?
ROADP also realises that there's virtually no absolute way for any nation to obey any U.N resolutions, ROADP believes that this is a rather moot point.

Madonna, U.N Ambassador of ROADP and a Famous Singer.

I only feel that way about proposals and resolutions that make domestic policies in an attempt to guarantee rights. Given the limitations of the UN policy mechanism and our concern for national sovereignty and practicality, I believe that the best the UN can accomplish with a Human Rights proposal is a statement of principle, and that the UN should confine itself to making those statements of principle with regard to human rights rather than wasting time and effort under the delusion that it as a body can guarantee those rights. Of course, some of my colleagues feel that an attempt to guarantee human rights is better than a statement of principle even though the practical effect might be similar, and that is certainly a respectable and principled position to take, though I might disagree with it. Thank you for your patience and consideration in this matter, Ambassador.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

ROADP will consider your position and formulate some kind of response in the near future. Thank you for taking your precious time to voice your opinon on this subject matter.

Sincerely

Madonna, U.N Ambassador of ROADP.

Dear Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople,

We have already applied to become a member of the UN, so you have no need to worry about that. We have also already visted your region and do admire the work your doing. We were already thinking about moving there, but feel we should study the situation more closely

We will be pushing our UN delegate to endorse your proposal. If there is anyother way we may assit you, please inform us.

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
Deputy of The Republic of BlueTiger's foreign affairs

EDIT:

*Only a few minutes later a second letter arrives*

I have some good news! The Republic of BlueTiger has been accepted into the UN, now I may fully support your cause.

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
The Repblic of BlueTiger's UN Representative

The government of Musashi Islands fully endorses this proposal.

Description: We, the United Nation, recognises the basic human rights of all individuals, including the transgender people. The Transgender Equality and Protection Act will strengthen the already enshrined human rights principals approved by the United Nation. This act will deal with the particular prejudices that have proven to be deeply harmful and, sometimes, life threatening .to members of the transsexual community. The transgender people are defined as people who express an innate sense of gender other than their birth sex. This term also includes any intersex person, a person who have an ambiguous genitalia due to nature or otherwise, and those who have non traditional gender roles or expression but have no desire to undergo any or all of the sex change options. Employment protection, equal rights are given to all members of the transgender community. Transexuals who suffer from gender dsyphoria and have undergone sex reassignment surgeries will also be legally recognized in their new genders.

We, the United Nation, recognise the basic human rights of all individuals, including the transgender people. The Transgender Equality and Protection Act will strengthen the already enshrined human rights principals approved by the United Nation. This act will deal with the particular prejudices that have proven to be deeply harmful and, sometimes, life threatening ,to members of the transsexual community.

Believing that Human right is an essential expression of full humanity and that
every human being deserves to realize their humanities and therefore be treated with equal respect and dignity.

Taking into account that everyone has the right and freedom to assume a gender identity that might or might not fit with the expectation of any given culture , religion or society, as long as it does not infringe on the freedom of another individual. .

Noting with satisfaction that an impressive body of human right laws have already been approved by the United Nation.

Noting with Regrets, however, that none of the past human rights resolutions, including The Universal Bill of Right, Right of Minorities and Women, Gay Rights or the Discrimination Accords, made any mention on the right of the transgender people nor did any of the resolutions adequately address the particular concerns and prejudices faced by the transgender people.

The transgender people are defined as people who express an innate sense of gender other than their birth sex. This term also includes any intersex person, a person who have an ambiguous genitalia due to nature or otherwise, and those who have non traditional gender roles or expression but have no desire to undergo any or all of the sex change options.

Alarmed and deeply troubled by the violence and harassment inflicted on transgender people despite the progresses that were already made on human rights.

Recognizing that many cases of anti-transgender hate crimes are not reported or dealt with properly by the local authorities.

Observing that many transgender people are involuntarily dismissed from their employment due to their sexual identities or gender presentations legally or illegally.

Noting further that prejudices and social stigma have left many transgender people vulnerable economically, politically and socially.

In the interest of the transgender people:

Be it resolved that the Transgender Equality and Protection Act be recognized and declared by the United Nation.

Article one: One’s gender identity or expression shall be included as a prohibited ground of discrimination; the transgender people shall receive all human rights, safety and protection accorded to everyone else residing in all U.N member countries.

Article two: Local authorities shall undergo basic training that will enhance their understanding of transsexual issues so that law enforcement authorities can adequately and sufficiently handle cases of transgender hate crime and that equal justice can be served to all members of the society.

Article 3: All Anti transgender discrimination in hiring, promotion, or training will be outlawed in all U.N countries.

Article 4: Discrimination in health care for the transsexual people will also be banned; members from the transsexual community shall be allowed access to sex reassignment surgery and its related health care issues in all hospitals of all U.N countries.


Article 5: Transsexuals who are identified as suffering from gender dsyphoria and had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. This is for legal purpose only, everyone shall continue to have the freedom to either recognize or not recognize the "legitimacy" of sex reassignment surgeries in private. Other trasngender people, including cross dressers, feminine men , masculine women will continue to be legally defined by their biological sex at birth.


Sincerely,
Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

what is that supposed to mean?

It means that this resolution is an attack upon the cultural values of Our nation. Traditional gender roles and their expression in the appropriate time, place and circumstances all form the bedrock of Our nation's society. Since when has the UN become the vehicle for destroying its members?

We strongly oppose this measure, and urge all fellow nations who value their unique ways of life to vote down this attempt to destroy national cultures in the name of some mythical "human right" that is nothing more than the prejudice of its drafter.

To: Neo Anarchos

Torontia believes in free market capitalism and the freedom of people to operate in the global market.

We are NOT however liberatarians or 'anarcho-capitalists'.

We favour a capitalist friendly type of fascism as we oppose democracy and any concept of human equality.

The idea that humans are all equal and all humans desreve to be treated with the same degree of respect make me sick and what is more it's immoral to think in such a way.

Homosexuality and sex change people should be killed in our opinion and we only hope that you think in the same way!

It means that this resolution is an attack upon the cultural values of Our nation. Traditional gender roles and their expression in the appropriate time, place and circumstances all form the bedrock of Our nation's society. Since when has the UN become the vehicle for destroying its members?

We strongly oppose this measure, and urge all fellow nations who value their unique ways of life to vote down this attempt to destroy national cultures in the name of some mythical "human right" that is nothing more than the prejudice of its drafter.



The Government of ROADP is not intending to attack anyone’s cultural belief or way of life with this resolution. Anyone in any U.N country can continue to pursue their traditional way of life and live in their respective gender roles if they so wish to.

What this resolution does is that it provides a framework in which all people can live freely without fear of being penalized for being too “masculine” or “feminine.” Human rights should not be only for people who support traditional beliefs.

signed
Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

Adding to the draft:



Article 4:
Transsexuals who had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. This is for legal purpose only, everyone shall continue to have the freedom to either recognize or not recognize the "legitimacy" of sex reassignment surgeries in private.

can anyone confirm with me if this draft proposal is legal or not?
thank you.

Human Right Issue:

The Untied Nation recognises the basic human rights of all individuals, including the transgender people. The Transgender Equality and Protection Act will strengthen the already enshrined human rights principals approved by the United Nation. This act will deal with the particular prejudices that have proven to be deeply harmful and, sometimes, life threatening .to members of the transsexual community.

Fully aware of the existence of The Universal Bill of Rights that was passed by the United Nation.

Recognizing that The Universal Bill of Right does not adequately address the particular concerns and prejudices faced by the transgender people.

The transgender people are defined as people who express an innate sense of gender other than their birth sexe. This term includes those who have non traditional gender roles or expression
but have no desire to undergo any or all of the sex change options.

Alarmed and deeply troubled by the violence and harassment inflicted on transgender people.

Recognizing that many cases of anti-transgender hate crimes are not reported or dealt with properly by the local authorities.

Observing that many transgender people are involuntarily dismissed from their employment due to their sexual identities or gender presentations legally or illegally.

Noting further that prejudices and social stigma have left many transgender people vulnerable economically, politically and socially.

In the interest of the transgender people:

Be it resolved that the Transgender Equality and Protection Act be recognized and declared by the United Nation.

Article one: All Anti transgender discrimination in hiring, promotion, or training will be outlawed in all U.N countries.

Article two: Local authorities shall undergo basic training that will enhance their understanding of transsexual issues so that law enforcement authorities can adequately and sufficiently investigate and persecute cases of transgender hate crime.

Article 3: One’s gender identity or expression shall be included as a prohibited ground of discrimination; the transgender people shall receive the same basic human rights accorded to everyone else residing in any U.N country.

Article 4: Discrimination in health care for the transsexual people will also be banned; members from the transsexual community shall be allowed access to sex reassignment surgery and its related health care issues in all hospitals of all U.N countries.

Drafted by the Republic of the Agnostic Deeishpeople.
The Holy Empire of James_xenoland has more then a few problems with this and is going to have to vote no on this issue for a number of reasons. The worst being article 4.

We would also like to note that discrimination based on gender is Protected (NOT allowed) by the Untied Nation Bill of Rights. So this is not needed (over kill) and a waste of our time.

Adding to the draft:

Article 4:
Transsexuals who had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. This is for legal purpose only, everyone shall continue to have the freedom to either recognize or not recognize the "legitimacy" of sex reassignment surgeries in private.

And so We see the other shoe drop. It should be noted that in The Eternal Kawaii, "gender" is not recognized. People are either men or women, and are expected by Our social code to behave in the manner Our culture deems appropriate for their sex. Other nations may not agree with Our cultural values, but We are not demanding they follow Our ways, as the esteemed delegate from the ROADP is seeking here.

This article would impose an alien doctrine upon Our people, one that undercuts the very fabric of Our society. Furthermore, it would deny them the right to object to it except "in private". This is basest form of tyranny.

Once again, We object to this resolution, and urge other nations to vote it down. It is nothing more than a transparent attempt by the ROADP to impose their own morals upon the rest of the UN.

Adding to the draft:



Article 4:
Transsexuals who had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. This is for legal purpose only, everyone shall continue to have the freedom to either recognize or not recognize the "legitimacy" of sex reassignment surgeries in private.
This new article is nothing less then an all out attack upon scientific, biological and medical fact. As well as a violation of the sovereignty of every nation that chooses not to base its laws on that of extreme ideological views.

Does the social code of your nation also involves men only marrying women?

If thats the case, I would also like to inform you that the United Nations has legalised same sex marriages.

I am sorry but to inform you that it doesn’t matter whether you believe in the use of the word “gender” or not. The point is that transsexuals are human beings and they have the freedom to be treated equally. I would also like to point out to you that the U.N also has a resolution that is called “Universal Freedom of Choice.”

In the resolution, it said that there should be “ freedom of all people to make choices according to their own conscience, particularly with regard to their philosophy of life, social/cultural development and awareness of the world”

Recognizing the dignity of each person and their right to be who they are according to the conscience is not a new idea.

Also, there’s no purpose of equality right for transgender people if we are not willing to recognize their “freedom to be who they are."

Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

And My government is not ashamed or hestiant to admit that this is a moral position we are undertaking. Human right is a moral issue. Equality is a moral issue. Freedom is a moral Issue.


There’s no freedom without human rights and equality, and there’s no human rights and equality without freedom.

As a result, it goes without saying that the trasngender people deserve legal recognition as the man and woman they have always wanted to become. Without this legal recognition, there’s no way they can live equally and freely.

Same sex marriages are also legally recognized, that might offend your morals, and you are allowed to disagree with it in private. Furthermore, you also do not have to have same sex marriages if it is really a problem to you, but its wrong to deny the rights and freedom for other to do so, just as it is wrong to deny the transgender people to live out their identities.


I challenge any nations to propose a statement that the transgender people are not human beings and do not deserve rights or freedom to live as they wish.

Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

This new article is nothing less then an all out attack upon scientific, biological and medical fact. As well as a violation of the sovereignty of every nation that chooses not to base its laws on that of extreme ideological views.


Human rights is only an extremely ideological concept to a minority of nations.

My governement is not suggesting that transexual women or men are biologically the same as genetic men or women. There is no attack on anything, there's simply an attempt to bring in a legislation that will affirm and support the freedom and equality of the transgender people.


Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

The Holy Empire of James_xenoland has more then a few problems with this and is going to have to vote no on this issue for a number of reasons. The worst being article 4.

We would also like to note that discrimination based on gender is Protected (NOT allowed) by the Untied Nation Bill of Rights. So this is not needed (over kill) and a waste of our time.

Gender is sometimes interpreted to only mean biological sex. No past resolutions have made any mention on people whose gender identities do not correspond to their biological sex.


Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

This new article is nothing less then an all out attack upon scientific, biological and medical fact. As well as a violation of the sovereignty of every nation that chooses not to base its laws on that of extreme ideological views.



And my government wonders what the leader of xenoland has to say about people who have ambiguous genitalia? Should we call them "legally freaky freaks" since, medically speaking, they are either man or woman?


Most of the time this method is adequate, but sometimes the differentiation of one's external genitalia have been influenced by abnormal hormone levels while still in the womb, or some other changes have occurred that create incongruencies among chromosomal factors, internal genitalia, and/or external genitalia. In such cases, the sex of the individual may be ambiguous. When hormonal abnormalities influence pre-natal formation of the body of an individual whose chromosomal nature (XY) would ordinarily produce a person with male genitalia, that person will may be born with female external genitalia. Similarly a chromosomally female (XX) fetus can be masculined and may be born with external genitalia that appear to be male. Sometimes hormonal influences are of an intermediate strength and the body of the individual is ambiguous. It may be impossible to determine by examination of external features whether the baby in question is an XX female who has been masculinized to some extent, or an XY male who has been feminized to some extent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atypical_gender_identities

The Republic of BlueTiger is upset to discover that some UN nations would be so hypocritical. The UN has already passed laws that protect gender discrimination. The UN also protects the rights of Gays. However, neither of these address the unique issue of Transgender People. The idea is the same, to allow people to make the choices they want to, and preventing any discrimination. However some UN nations would go against what has already been established?

BlueTiger implores all nations and regions who value the rights of their citizens to endorse this proposal.

Sincerly,

Alex Johnson
Assistant to The UN Representative of BlueTiger

The esteemed delegate from ROAPD speaks of freedom and rights here, but what of the right of people collectively to choose their form of society, and choose the social rules they as a group expect their members to follow to participate in that society? What of a peoples' freedom not to have alien ideologies imposed upon them with no right to object?

UN resolutions notwithstanding, society is not obligated to accept the individual's personal conscience and self-image as the law of the land. Otherwise, civilization itself could not exist. We would be living under the law of the jungle, where the strong prey upon the weak, because "according to their own conscience, particularly with regard to their philosophy of life" they claim the right to exploit other people.

Thank you, Alex Johnson. My government would like to present a quote that is espoused by a famous Canadian politician from very far away. I believe this quotes applies to this discussion.

"One cannot pick and choose between minorities whose rights one wants to defend and minorities whose rights one chooses to oppose”


Sincerely,
Madonna Ciccone, U.N ambassador of ROADP.

In regard to the idea that transsexuals should be legally recognized according to their newly recognized gender, I would like to elaborate the point that the state should honour and recognize one’s choice of identity. This is not an acquired taste or an acquired fashion sense, this is about an innate psychologically identification as a male or a female. One should be allowed to present him or herself in a way that suits him or her psychologically and emotionally and physically.

Gender Dysphoria is a medical condition.
People who have gender dysphoria are not homosexual, or transvestites or “feminine men” or “masculine women." The Trasngender people are not the same group of people.

People who suffer from Gender Dsyphoria are people who are born in a “wrong” body, their true genders deserve to be recognised legally. Denying their rights to be their true selves is analogue to the spirit of this Transgender Equality and Protection Act.


Be it further noted that

Article 5: Transsexuals who are identified as suffering from gender dsyphoria or gender identity disorder and had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. This is for legal purpose only, everyone shall continue to have the freedom to either recognize or not recognize the "legitimacy" of sex reassignment surgeries in private. Other trasngender people, including cross dressers, feminine men , masculine women will continue to be legally defined by their biological sex at birth.


I believe this is the best solution for people who are having trouble with the wording of this resolution.

Sincerely,
Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

What of a peoples' freedom not to have alien ideologies imposed upon them with no right to object?

That right is expressed right here, as you object to an "alein ideology" on their behalf. However, this is not being imposed on you, yet. You are allowed to do all you can to drum up support for your side of the argument and stop this propsal from passing.

...society is not obligated to accept the individual's personal conscience and self-image as the law of the land.

You are absoltly right, however, society is obligated to accept that indvidual as a part of their culture. All people are a part of every culture, wehiter accpted or not. BlueTiger feels all but those who violate the rights of others (a.k.a criminals) should be accpted everywhere. It simply makes it easier on all involved parties.

It should also be noted that it is not being forced on you. If enough delagets vote yes to put it on the floor, and if it gets enough people to vote yes, then it will be "forced" on you. However you have all the in between time to drum up support for your side of the argument.

Allan Smith
UN Representative of The Republic of BlueTiger.

The Holy Empire of James_xenoland has more then a few problems with this and is going to have to vote no on this issue for a number of reasons. The worst being article 4.

We would also like to note that discrimination based on gender is Protected (NOT allowed) by the Untied Nation Bill of Rights. So this is not needed (over kill) and a waste of our time.


As a the top legislator of the main governing party, I have rewritten Article 4 in order to convey the position of my government more clearly.


Article 4: Discrimination in health care for the transgender people will also be banned. Everyone has the right to wellness psychologically and emotionally; also keeping in mind that gender identity disorders if left untreated could lead to suicide and deaths. As a result, members from the transsexual community shall be allowed to purchase or access sex reassignment surgeries and its related health care options in all hospitals of all U.N countries.


My government does not believe that it is moral or correct to let people who suffer gender identities disorder go untreated. Just as it is unacceptable for mentally ill patients to not be allowed to aquire psychological help.

Sincerely,
Dennis Kucinich, Leader of the True Democratic Party of ROADP

Gender Dysphoria is a medical condition.
People who have gender dysphoria are not homosexual, or transvestites or “feminine men” or “masculine women." The Trasngender people are not the same group of people.

People who suffer from Gender Dsyphoria are people who are born in a “wrong” body, their true genders deserve to be recognised legally. Denying their rights to be their true selves is analogue to the spirit of this Transgender Equality and Protection Act.

The Eternal Kawaii rejects this pseudo-science as dehumanizing. People are born male or female, and freely choose to act male or female. They are not driven to it by some fictious "medical condition". Acceptance of such an override to one's free will reduces one to the level of beasts that act on instinct, rather than reason and moral sense as Man was intended to.

The people of the Eternal Kawaii are not beasts. The UN should not presume to treat them, or the citizens of any other NationState, as such.

And my government wonders what the leader of The Eternal Kawaii has to say about people who have ambiguous genitalia?

are they born male or female?

Madonna
U.N ambassador of ROADP

The Republic of BlueTiger is shocked to see that The Eternal Kawaii refuses to accpet the scientific reshearch apperantly done by the ROADP.

Also we are dissapointed that The Eternal Kawaii has failed to recognize our arguments.

Allan Smith
The Republic of BlueTiger's UN representive

shocked but not suprised.


Harry Potter, the only government legislator who has a transexual wife in the ROADP.

The ROADP would like to rename its proposed resolution to Transsexual Recognition and Equality Act. Be assured that the content of the Act has not changed, but merely edited to convey the government's message more clearly. The government feels that this name title is more suitable and appropriate. Again, the government would like to thank you for all the support this proposed resolution has received.

Sincerely
Smanthma Jone, Public Relation spokswoman of ROADP

After much revision and consultation, the government of ROADP is delighted to announce that it is now ready to submit this proposal to the U.N. The government hope that it will receives your endorsement . Thank you


Sincerely
Prime Minister of the ROADP.

The government of The Eternal Kawaii could express similar wonder about the government of ROADP's apparently peculiar interest in peoples' genitalia.

To answer the question, though--such personal matters are best handled by parents, priests, and physicians, not lawyers.

The government believes that is none of your business.

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BlueTiger's government asks The Etrenal Kawaii to review our argument, because there is more than just ROADP's opinion being represnted.

Allan Smith
The Republic of BlueTiger's UN Representive

OOC: That' post #36, fyi.

http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/05349/page=UN_proposal/start=45


My proposal is submitted. I want to ask for the support of ALL Regional Delegate on this resolution. My government believe in this important piece of human rights legislation and would do everything in its power to pass it.

Dee Marx, Prime Minister of ROADP.

The government believes that is none of your business.

Thus there is no need for this legislation. If matters of sexuality are too personal for government intrusion, then certainly the UN has no business dealing with them.

The government is absolutely shocked at your so called "logic"
How does not disclosing information about your sexuality equals to not needing protection under the law? :rolleyes:


OCC: why do you care if i am a transexual or not?

Jesus Christ.
Maybe I am, but i am probably not?
I dont really care what you think about me. =0

OOC:Alright Eternal Kawaii, I'm getting tired of this. If your not going to even mention me, at lest say so in an OOC for me please.

BlueTiger']OOC:Alright Eternal Kawaii, I'm getting tired of this. If your not going to even mention me, at lest say so in an OOC for me please.


OOC: Yes, I have to agree he/she is being quite rude to you and I as well, if i may say so.

As asked, We have reviewed the argument of the esteemed delegate of BlueTiger. It would appear to state the obvious, which is that The Eternal Kawaii has the right to object to this proposal. We do, and vigorously.

We note in particular their argument:

BlueTiger']society is obligated to accept that indvidual as a part of their culture. All people are a part of every culture, whether accepted or not. BlueTiger feels all but those who violate the rights of others (a.k.a criminals) should be accpted everywhere. It simply makes it easier on all involved parties.

This also states the obvious, but should be viewed in context of the proposed legislation, notably:

Article two: Local authorities shall undergo basic training that will enhance their understanding of transsexual issues so that law enforcement authorities can adequately and sufficiently handle cases of transgender hate crime and that equal justice can be served to all members of the society.

This legislation would force Kawaiian citizens (the "local authorities" mentioned) to undergo training in some alien sexual ideology contrary to Our social rules on discreetness in such matters. This would be a violation of their rights, and thus any who would perpetrate such a thing under UN orders would be criminal in the esteemed delegate's analysis.

Again, We state: We do not wish to dictate the sexual mores of Our fellow NationStates. We ask only to receive the same consideration.

OOC: I am going to get out of character and let my spelling go loose for a moment because I am tired.

Anyways, I edited the proposal, the local authorities have the right to access trainning, they dont have to if they dont wish to. The citizens dont have to go to any trainning, its the LOCAL AUTHORITIES, THE PEOPLE WHO CATCH THE BAD GUYS. The government wants justice to be served.

Same with sex education, just because the educators teach you about sex, it doesnt mean that you have to have sex. THe important thing is having that knowledge so you can deal with all kind of situations adequately.
The job of the police is to solve crimes, thats all i care about and this is what the purpose of the trainning is. No one is going to become a trannsexual just because they have gone through sensitive trainning programs. I think it is absolutely silly to make this into another MORAL issue, AGAIN.


PS: another mention, The local authorities have the right to access trainning, they dont have to if they dont wish to.
:rolleyes:


the proposal is read as.." Law enforcement authorities may access basic training on transsexual issues so they can adequately and sufficiently handle cases of transgender hate crimes and that equal justice can be served to all members of the society. "


But it is my belief that you will find any reason to object to this resolution no matter what.

Human rights is only an extremely ideological concept to a minority of nations.

The idea that if you don’t support this resolution then you also don’t support “human rights” is utterly ridiculous and quite offensive. As is referring to this resolution as anything other then a further attempt to push an extreme left ideology down the throat of every UN nation.

This isn’t a resolution about human rights; it’s a resolution about human pandering.


Gender is sometimes interpreted to only mean biological sex. No past resolutions have made any mention on people whose gender identities do not correspond to their biological sex.

Um biological gender is the only type of gender there is... You could think, feel, believe, want, dream, wish, pretend or be confused in to thinking that you’re really a different gender. But you’re still the same gender.

If you were only talking about people that were assigned the wrong gender through surgery (genitals) soon after birth. As in someone being assigned the male gender when they were truly female. (Chromosomal, genetic and hormonally female) Then I might have been able to support the resolution.


And my government wonders what the leader of xenoland has to say about people who have ambiguous genitalia? Should we call them "legally freaky freaks" since, medically speaking, they are either man or woman?
I assume that you’re referring to a hermaphrodite? In those cases where gender can’t be identified either physically, genetically or hormonally then it’s up to the parents and doctors.




"One cannot pick and choose between minorities whose rights one wants to defend and minorities whose rights one chooses to oppose”

Sincerely,
Madonna Ciccone, U.N ambassador of ROADP.
And that’s not what the people opposed to this are doing.


In regard to the idea that transsexuals should be legally recognized according to their newly recognized gender, I would like to elaborate the point that the state should honour and recognize one’s choice of identity. This is not an acquired taste or an acquired fashion sense, this is about an innate psychologically identification as a male or a female. One should be allowed to present him or herself in a way that suits him or her psychologically and emotionally and physically.
Yes and if we’re talking about psychologically then it’s nothing more then someone saying “I think I’m the wrong gender” which could never be proven and has no basis for special rights.

Nobody’s saying that they shouldn‘t have rights, we just feel that everyone shouldn’t be made to bend to the ideological views of some, that forces all to ignore science and medical fact to appeases a specific group.

Plus on a side note, if it’s psychological then it is not innate. (not that it would if it was physical either)


Gender Dysphoria is a medical condition.
People who have gender dysphoria are not homosexual, or transvestites or “feminine men” or “masculine women." The Trasngender people are not the same group of people.
Gender dysphoria is at best a psychological (or emotional) disorder and nothing more.


People who suffer from Gender Dsyphoria are people who are born in a “wrong” body, their true genders deserve to be recognised legally. Denying their rights to be their true selves is analogue to the spirit of this Transgender Equality and Protection Act.
Where the hell do you people come up with this stuff?! If I say or think that I’m something, it doesn’t make me it. They could wish to be a different gender all they want but nothing they can do will change their true biological gender.

On another side note. You want to them to be legally recognized in their new false gender. So if this was to be passed then what does your resolution do to protect the inalienable right of others to know the true gender (sex) of the person that they’re interacting with before hand? (Especially in a romantic way)

But it is my belief that you will find any reason to object to this resolution no matter what.
A word of advice: The Eternal Kawaii is someone whom I have never seen post in an OOC manner. He/she has always made sure to remain in-character. And if that character has extremely strong views, then that character will continue to hold them come what may. You have yet to see The Eternal Kawaii's OOC views, so there is no point attempting to convince the player.
Pretty much, if someone has gone for a particular IC viewpoint, then they will hold to it regardless of what they believe in RL.

Some posters make sure to keep a firm line between their IC and OOC personas - TEK is one of them. Others post using a combination of IC and OOC viewpoints (such as myself). There are also those who post using a nearly entirely OOC perspective, often calling on RL situations as evidence (Mikitivity is one that comes to mind, but there are many others).

My government is socially progressive and it does not believe biology is destiny. One can be a biological man but have a female gender identity. Gender is socially prescribed and it is influenced by society to a varying degree. That’s why what makes a "man" and what makes a "woman" is ever changing because society is changing.

What my government is saying that people should not be discriminated against based on their gender behaviors which is dictated by social and cultural rules, not just one's sexual organ.


It is important that physiosex and gender identity are two different things, at least for people who feels a disconnect between what they are feeling in their brain and their actual physical bodies. There are endless variations in degree of maleness and femaleness due to the level of hormonesthat are produced in the womb.


Brain sex is just as important as "biological sex." One's level of hormones influence one's cognitive function, there is a reason why some "men" feel like they are women. There is a REASON BEHIND IT, its not the same as "oh I think i want to be a spider today." My government believes that both environment and biology plays a factor in a peron's "gender identity."

First, this resolution protects people whose gender role is unconventional. Why should a biological man be discriminated against because he wears a dress?

Second, why cant these people who are born in the "wrong" bodies be allowed to have a sex reassignment surgery? "their brain is male, but the rest is female?" This is truly what they were meant to be.

There are various explanations why some people feel like they are born in a wrong body. I don’t care to get into them. The fact of the matter is people deserve to be able to have bodies that harmonize with their brains. On top of that , they should be given the same right and freedom as everyone else.

Also, men who act, dress like women but have no desire or they are not 100 percent sure about their gender identities should also be given the same protection and rights as everyone else. They are not harming anyone, why should they be treated with less than everyone else? This applies to also women who dress or act likes men.

Simple as that.

What a piece of crap from a Nation of overwhelming deviants. Scum like this are put to death in my country, as you would be if you ever came to BastardosLand!

Harry The Bastard
ReichsFurher
BastardosLand

what do you not like about this resolution, exactly?

I dont claim to know everything about transegenderism and I DONT.

I also dont know what causes homosexuality, if its due to environment, or genetics or both.

But what i do know is they deserve to live without fear, discrimination and violence because they are human beings and they have human rights.

Madonna
U.N Ambassador of ROADP.

The internal contradiction of this argument is self evident. How does one reconcile this statement:

My government is socially progressive and it does not believe biology is destiny.

with this one:

One's level of hormones influence one's cognitive function, there is a reason why some "men" feel like they are women. There is a REASON BEHIND IT, its not the same as "oh I think i want to be a spider today."

It would seem from this that the esteemed delegate of ROADP would have it both ways, depending on what suits their government's sexual prejudice at the moment. Either biology is destiny, in which case there is no point in arguing against human behavior, or it is not, in which case society has the right and the responsibility to ensure that human behavior is conducted in a proper manner.

ADP: I believe that Bastardosland is another of those who have a dichotomy between their IC and OOC views. Bastardosland is taking an extreme right-wing viewpoint, one that I seriously doubt they would have in RL.

What a piece of crap from a Nation of overwhelming deviants. Scum like this are put to death in my country, as you would be if you ever came to BastardosLand!

Harry The Bastard
ReichsFurher
BastardosLand
OOC: I'd like to thank "ReichsFurher Harry The Bastard" for helping me decide how to vote on this one.
IC: On behalf of The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda and all the people of the region of Wyltath ghloil Slekyva, Yeldan UN Mission approves this proposal.

The internal contradiction of this argument is self evident. How does one reconcile this statement:



with this one:



It would seem from this that the esteemed delegate of ROADP would have it both ways, depending on what suits their government's sexual prejudice at the moment. Either biology is destiny, in which case there is no point in arguing against human behavior, or it is not, in which case society has the right and the responsibility to ensure that human behavior is conducted in a proper manner.

Dear Eternal Kawaii, I think both biology and environment play a factor in a person's behaviour and sense of self. Biology is not destiny, but it plays a role in shaping one's destiny.

The government, after reading so many upsetting commentaries, is absolutely thrilled to have the support of the Yeldan UN Mission in regards to this proposal.

Madonna
U.N ambassador of ROADP

OOC: I'd like to thank "ReichsFurher Harry The Bastard" for helping me decide how to vote on this one.
IC: On behalf of The People's Democratic Republic of Yelda and all the people of the region of Wyltath ghloil Slekyva, Yeldan UN Mission approves this proposal.
Wow... It’s really nice to see that people are actually putting some thought in to their choice.. [/sarcasm] :headbang:

:headbang:
We applaud your witty and insightful use of Jolt smilies.

Wow... It’s really nice to see that people are actually putting some thought in to their choice.. [/sarcasm] :headbang:
This is politics - people make snap decisions all the time, often for personal reasons. A few weeks back there was a large campaign in support of a resolution, mainly in an attempt to annoy one particular player. Didn't work though - he was in support as well.

Plus, it's also like those mod messages that begin with "Thankyou for helping me make up my mind. Permanent ban." Someone may be at a point of indecision, but something small, like an incredibly offensive message, can be enough to tick them over.

This is politics - people make snap decisions all the time, often for personal reasons. A few weeks back there was a large campaign in support of a resolution, mainly in an attempt to annoy one particular player. Didn't work though - he was in support as well.

Plus, it's also like those mod messages that begin with "Thankyou for helping me make up my mind. Permanent ban." Someone may be at a point of indecision, but something small, like an incredibly offensive message, can be enough to tick them over.

The above is Good Reason #457 for not pissing people off.

OOC, I would like to think that some people appreciate my opinons and my resolution. =D

I spent alot of time on this resolution and I can honestly say that...it was a big improvement from the very first original one. And i am satsify with it, I am happy and willing to defend this resolution but I just hope I am not the only one always defending it myself. *hint* *hint*



Somewhat frustrated U.N ambassador of ROADP.

Where the hell do you people come up with this stuff?! If I say or think that I’m something, it doesn’t make me it. They could wish to be a different gender all they want but nothing they can do will change their true biological gender.

On another side note. You want to them to be legally recognized in their new false gender. So if this was to be passed then what does your resolution do to protect the inalienable right of others to know the true gender (sex) of the person that they’re interacting with before hand? (Especially in a romantic way)

I think that you are trivializing the issue, this is simply not the case about wishing to become something or someone. People who have GID have strong and persistent cross-gender identification. People with GID act and present themselves as members of the opposite sex.

"Identity Disorder is a recognized medical condition by the American
Medical Association and the American Psychiatric Association. It is considered
a birth defect, which occurs about five weeks after conception. The brain does
not match the physical sex of the body. This is also known as Transsexualism.
There are males with female brains and females with male brains. The true
incidence is unknown but is estimated to be one in one hundred thousand births.
The reason for it is unknown but it is thought to be a biochemical mistake in
the formation of the brain. The result is that the individual has the
psychological and chemical brain of one gender but the body of the other. "

A mistake has occured , are you going to punish that person by forcing th em to live in a lie? I agree with you that the true sex of a person cannot be changed, thats why we should recognize the true sex of the transgender individual DESPITE their birth sex.

Quite simply shoot the sad perverts that you are bleating on about. They are invariably no use to society with there deviant nature and amount of hospital treatment required to deal with there requests and diseases.

Once they are dead the problem no longer exists.

Harry the Bastard
ReichsFurher
BastardosLand :sniper:

Once they are dead the problem no longer exists.


Accually the problem will still exist.

No matter how many you kill, there will still be 1 of them in every 100,000,000 birthes. This may sound like a small problem, but in a country of millions, or even billions, of people you could possibly have a whole neiborhood of them. If you kill them, that would "solve" the problem of that one person. You still have hundreds (possibly thousabds) of others to deal with. Of course you could kill them all in a gas room room. Yet, even then, you have not solved the problem, because you have not stopped future births of these people. The only way to guarantee that no more of these kind of people are born in your country is to kill your entire population, and that's not very good for your economy, is it?

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
BlueTiger's UN Representive

BlueTiger']Accually the problem will still exist.

No matter how many you kill, there will still be 1 of them in every 100,000,000 birthes. This may sound like a small problem, but in a country of millions, or even billions, of people you could possibly have a whole neiborhood of them. If you kill them, that would "solve" the problem of that one person. You still have hundreds (possibly thousabds) of others to deal with. Of course you could kill them all in a gas room room. Yet, even then, you have not solved the problem, because you have not stopped future births of these people. The only way to guarantee that no more of these kind of people are born in your country is to kill your entire population, and that's not very good for your economy, is it?

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
BlueTiger's UN Representive

Actually, if the nation of Bastardosland has the requisite genetic engineering technology, they might well be able to eliminate the problem. Nonetheless, I've seen no evidence of such advanced technology in Bastardosland, and am inclined to agree with your assessment of the situation.

Minister of UN Affairs
Edward Jones

This is getting very confused - can the proposition be reposted in full please?

Ill agree to the fact that anyone undergone a sex change should be recognised by the new sex, however, I do not agree that anyone should be allowed to choose their sex without the change.

It should be law that anyone undergone a sex change MUST register their new sex.

The sex stated must match physical gender.

Neuter is not a sex.

There should be no descimination based on any of the above.

This is getting very confused - can the proposition be reposted in full please?

Ill agree to the fact that anyone undergone a sex change should be recognised by the new sex, however, I do not agree that anyone should be allowed to choose their sex without the change.

It should be law that anyone undergone a sex change MUST register their new sex.

The sex stated must match physical gender.

Neuter is not a sex.

There should be no descimination based on any of the above.



The ROADP agrees with you. The resolution this government is proposing does exactly what you just described. Please direct your attention to the following: Article 5: Transsexuals who are identified as suffering from gender identity disorder and had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. Other transgender people, including cross dressers, feminine men , masculine women will continue to be legally defined by their biological sex at birth.

A person who have not been diagnosed with a gender identity disorder OR have not undergone a sex reassignment sugery will continue to be legally defined by their sex at birth. So if a person is a born as a male, no matter how feminine he acts, he will still be legally recognized as a male on his birth certificate no matter what not.


Madonna
U.N Ambassador of ROADP

Quite simply shoot the sad perverts that you are bleating on about. They are invariably no use to society with there deviant nature and amount of hospital treatment required to deal with there requests and diseases.

Once they are dead the problem no longer exists.

Harry the Bastard
ReichsFurher
BastardosLand :sniper:


Trannsexual people are not useless. They are doctors, husbands, wives, students, lawyers, professors, artists , journalists and everything in between. If we only give these people a chance, they would be able to contribute to the society, any society. This government does not believe that it should murder its own citizens just because they are not perfect; if thats the case, everyone would be dead.


Madonna, U.N ambassador of ROADP.

Believing that Human right is an essential expression of full humanity and that
every human being, including the transgender people, deserves to realize their humanities and therefore be treated with equal respect and dignity.

Taking into account that everyone has the right and freedom of choice as outlined in the resolution of Universal Freedom of Choice. Therefore, everyone is also entitled to express themselves by assuming gender roles that might or might not fit with the expectation of any given culture , religion or society.

Fully acknowledges that Gender Identity Disorder is another issue that some members, but not all, of the transsexual community are diagnosed with. It is also a legitimate disorder that is recognized by most psychologists and medical doctors.

Convinced that people who have been tested to have gender identity disorder has the right to purchase or access medical treatments, including sex reassignment surgeries.


Noting with satisfaction that a significant number of human right laws have already been approved by the United Nations.

Noting with Regrets, however, that none of the past human rights resolutions made any mention on the right of the transgender person.

The transgender person is defined as any person who expresses an innate sense of gender other than their birth sex; any intersexes person; anyone who expressed their genders in a way that contravenes societal expectations

Alarmed by the many cases of anti-transgender hate crimes that are not reported or dealt with properly by the local authorities.

Acknowledging that many transgender people are discriminated against in employments.

Be it resolved that the Transsexual Equality Act be recognized and declared by the United Nation.

Article one: One’s gender identity or expression shall be included as a prohibited ground of discrimination; any transgender person should receive the same right as everyone else residing in all U.N member countries.

Article two: Law enforcement authorities may access basic training on transsexual issues so they can adequately and sufficiently handle cases of transgender hate crimes and that equal justice can be served to all members of the society.

Article 3: All Anti transgender discrimination in hiring, promotion, training and dismissal will be outlawed in all U.N countries.

Article 4: Discrimination in health care for the transgender people will also be banned. Everyone has the right to wellness psychologically and emotionally. As a result, members from the transsexual community shall be allowed to purchase or access sex reassignment surgeries and its related health care options in most of the hospitals of all U.N countries.

Article 5: Transsexuals who are identified as suffering from gender identity disorder and had undergone sex reassignment surgeries will have his or her new gender be legally recognized. Other transgender people, including cross dressers, feminine men , masculine women will continue to be legally defined by their biological sex at birth.



Sincerely,
Director of Foreign Affair , Hermione Granger

Article 4: Discrimination in health care for the transgender people will also be banned. Everyone has the right to wellness psychologically and emotionally. As a result, members from the transsexual community shall be allowed to purchase or access sex reassignment surgeries and its related health care options in most of the hospitals of all U.N countries.

I do not like this article - the other articles prevent discrimination to a transgender person, however, I believe that transgender operations is a specialist subject, and forcing 'most hospitals' to provide sex rassignment sugeries is not an nessicary step.

Hospitals need to provide generic emergancy medical help, and then general health support, followed by specialist services. In Britain, it is not unsual to be sent to another hospital > 50 miles away from your regular hospital for some specialist tests in certain illnesses. This is a nessceisty of providing excellence inside the budget.

Secondly, some UN countries are developing - it may not be suitable for them to spend money on what may be called a 'luxury' service when they should be spending the same money on improving normal healthcare. They may wish to 'export' such healthcare options to more advanced nations.

We fully support this proposal.

The transgendered community should not fear discrimination because of there lifestyle choice, all transexuals and transvestites are welcomed with open arms in our nation,

However people take time to see people equally, at the moment the Transgender community is 10 years behind that of the Lesbian and Gay community which is far more accepted, even then individuals in our nation still show homophobic and transphobic tendencies; however the Homophobic tendencies are not as open as the transphobic ones as our citizens realise that it is not 'PC' to make homophobic comments, tackling transphobia is going to take longer.

We openly admit our public services are inherently transphobic, but it is something we are tackling, and we will continue to strive for sexual, racial and religious equality.

I do not like this article - the other articles prevent discrimination to a transgender person, however, I believe that transgender operations is a specialist subject, and forcing 'most hospitals' to provide sex rassignment sugeries is not an nessicary step.

Hospitals need to provide generic emergancy medical help, and then general health support, followed by specialist services. In Britain, it is not unsual to be sent to another hospital > 50 miles away from your regular hospital for some specialist tests in certain illnesses. This is a nessceisty of providing excellence inside the budget.

Secondly, some UN countries are developing - it may not be suitable for them to spend money on what may be called a 'luxury' service when they should be spending the same money on improving normal healthcare. They may wish to 'export' such healthcare options to more advanced nations.
I congratulate my esteemed colleague from the nation of New Moose Port for raising a very important point. One in which I forgot to bring up in my earlier argument.

To force a nation, any nation but especially a developing nation to pay, provide or make available an unnecessary cosmetic surgical procedure is unconscionable. Not to mention that a lot of nations don’t provide medical coverage to begin with. This is tantamount to forced government favoritism of a small few and discrimination of the rest. (The large majority)

And again I ask the writer of this resolution, if this was to be passed then what does the resolution do to protect the inalienable right of others to know the true gender (sex) of the person that they’re interacting with before hand? (Especially in a romantic situation)

As long as article 4 and 5 (at the very least) remain in this resolution, the nation of James_xenoland must vote against it.

We fully support this proposal.

The transgendered community should not fear discrimination because of there lifestyle choice, all transexuals and transvestites are welcomed with open arms in our nation,

However people take time to see people equally, at the moment the Transgender community is 10 years behind that of the Lesbian and Gay community which is far more accepted, even then individuals in our nation still show homophobic and transphobic tendencies; however the Homophobic tendencies are not as open as the transphobic ones as our citizens realise that it is not 'PC' to make homophobic comments, tackling transphobia is going to take longer.

We openly admit our public services are inherently transphobic, but it is something we are tackling, and we will continue to strive for sexual, racial and religious equality.
We respectfully have to correct our colleague from Waredehelrwee over the use of the improper, derogatory and inaccurate term(s) “homophobic” and “transphobic”

A phobia is a serious debilitating and usually instinctual based fear of something. And as such should NOT be improperly used/ trivialized as a weapon of political gain through name calling and labeling.

A sex reassignment surgery is not a "cosmetic" surgery. These surgeries are fundamental to the emotional, physical and psychological well beings of a trans individual with a disorder. People don’t modify their sexual organs for fun. On the second question: How much is considered "most"? The term "most" can mean any percent over 50 percentage of all hospitals in any nation. The government believes this is a reasonable percentage and it is up to individual nation to decide the exact percentage of hospitals that would provide sex reassignment surgeries.

The government also does not believe that any U.N member country has to provide any sex reassignment surgeries to any of its citizen for free. We are not arguing for free health care for anyone, it is up to the individual nation to decide if they want to charge people for health care or not. Nevertheless, people in any nation should be allowed to have access to sex reassignment surgeries, either through purchase or through the public health care system if it is provided by said nation.

I do not like this article - the other articles prevent discrimination to a transgender person, however, I believe that transgender operations is a specialist subject, and forcing 'most hospitals' to provide sex rassignment sugeries is not an nessicary step.

Hospitals need to provide generic emergancy medical help, and then general health support, followed by specialist services. In Britain, it is not unsual to be sent to another hospital > 50 miles away from your regular hospital for some specialist tests in certain illnesses. This is a nessceisty of providing excellence inside the budget.




The point of Article 4 is that a transsexual individual should not be turned away from hospitals , they are there to seek for medical help and most hospitals should provide them that help. My governement believes that it is the best to have at least one specialist or doctor that can perform these sugeries in at least 51 percent of all hosptials. It would be degrading if a transgender person has to travel through the whole country only to find a hospital that can treat him or her. Medical treatement should be readily accessible.


Samanthma Jones, Spokeswoman of the governement of ROADP.

To force a nation, any nation but especially a developing nation to pay, provide or make available an unnecessary cosmetic surgical procedure is unconscionable. Not to mention that a lot of nations don’t provide medical coverage to begin with.

And again I ask the writer of this resolution, if this was to be passed then what does the resolution do to protect the inalienable right of others to know the true gender (sex) of the person that they’re interacting with before hand? (Especially in a romantic situation)

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SRS is not a "cosemtic surgical procedure" because it is not purely for cosemtic reasons. If there's no hosptial in your country , than obvious there will be no SRS.

A person has no obligation to tell another person about his or her lifestyles, how many persons he or she has slept with, or if he or she is infertile. This is up to the discretion of an individual. The government encourages and wish people would be honest to their husbands, wives, boyfriends or girlfriends, but it is not up to the government or the U.N to legislate honesty.

Dear Eternal Kawaii, I think both biology and environment play a factor in a person's behaviour and sense of self. Biology is not destiny, but it plays a role in shaping one's destiny.

We are gratified that the position of the ROADP has been made clear here. That said, then why does the esteemed delegate insist on denying the right of the Kawaiian people to help shape the destinies of their fellow citizens in a way consistent with Our traditions and cultures? Why impose the sexual prejudices of the ROADP upon the rest of the UN?

We fully support this proposal.

The transgendered community should not fear discrimination because of there lifestyle choice, all transexuals and transvestites are welcomed with open arms in our nation,

However people take time to see people equally, at the moment the Transgender community is 10 years behind that of the Lesbian and Gay community which is far more accepted, even then individuals in our nation still show homophobic and transphobic tendencies; however the Homophobic tendencies are not as open as the transphobic ones as our citizens realise that it is not 'PC' to make homophobic comments, tackling transphobia is going to take longer.

We openly admit our public services are inherently transphobic, but it is something we are tackling, and we will continue to strive for sexual, racial and religious equality.

The government of the Republic of Agnostic Deeishpeople is happy to have the support of the great people of the Waredehelrwee Tribe. This government also believes that the transgender people are in most need of equality and recognition. They need health care, employment , legal recognition ,equal right and equal justice, this resolution will enhance the lives of the trasngender people and I would like to thank you for your support once again.

This resolution is going to enhance the dignity of the trans individual and we hope that by recognizing the existence of the transgender people, the fear and hatred that so many members feel towards the transgender people would soften. The government believes that fear is a source of hatred and discrimination and we agree that we must eradicate both transphobia and homophobia.

Sincerely,
Prime Minister of ROADP.

We are gratified that the position of the ROADP has been made clear here. That said, then why does the esteemed delegate insist on denying the right of the Kawaiian people to help shape the destinies of their fellow citizens in a way consistent with Our traditions and cultures? Why impose the sexual prejudices of the ROADP upon the rest of the UN?


This resolution does not impose anything on anyone. The government hopes that everyone, regardless of their gender identities or biological sexes, will be able to live peacefully in harmony. The question I believe we should be asking is: why does your government has the right to shape the destinies of your own people? All Kawaiian people have the free choices , as human beings all do, to decide their own paths and their own cultures and their own gender roles. Why is it okay to impose traditional cultures on all Kawaiian people?


That said, please take notes that I have nothing against traditional beliefs or cultures. I admire the tradition of your people and my government does not want to destroy that. All this resolution does is that we want to make sure people with alternative lifestyles or traditions will also have the right to co exist along side with the people who have traditional beliefs.

Sincerely,
Prime Minister of ROADP.

We thank the representitve of RAODP for finally saying what we have been strugling to put into words and reinforce ROADP's postion.

We are not trying to destroy the existence of your culture, only allow those who have a diffrent idea on how to live exist inside your culture.

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You need to choose one, spelled out number-words or arabic numerals.


As far as the proposal goes: I'd likely vote against, but I don't really see anything too hard for sovereignty-minded nations to get around ;). As such, I'll likely not actively oppose it.

What a sad bunch of devients you all are, pandering to the whims of the perverted few. Feel free to overburden your hospital services with these sad individuals, in BastardosLand they can leave or die. Simple and cost efficent. We will watch as your societies become full of degenerates and your economies crumble. The Armies of BastardosLand will ensure our expansion and the demise of your sick nations.

Harry The Bastard
ReichsFurher
BastardosLand

What a sad bunch of devients you all are, pandering to the whims of the perverted few. Feel free to overburden your hospital services with these sad individuals, in BastardosLand they can leave or die. Simple and cost efficent. We will watch as your societies become full of degenerates and your economies crumble. The Armies of BastardosLand will ensure our expansion and the demise of your sick nations.

Harry The Bastard
ReichsFurher
BastardosLand

In Bastardosland everyone can just die. :mp5: In fact, noone wants to live there! It's a prison-nation: so noone can really leave either ... :sniper: The UN should ban such poor examples of the state NS is in! GIVE DISCRIMINATION OF ANY KIND NO CHANCE! :fluffle:

Feel free to overburden your hospital services with these sad individuals.



They would not burden the hospitals at all, the government does not have to provide SRS for free to anyone. In fact, hospitals can make money for performing SRS, not that we can recommend it.


Fact : "Some governments will cover the entire cost under their Medicare programs. Others will cover it partially or not at all."

We wouldn’t expect hospitals to be overflowed with transgender individuals demanding SRS, we believe it will be a rare occurrence and hospitals should allowed spaces and make the necessary arrangement with the surgeons to ensure that transgender patient can be operated on in most of the hospitals.



Madonna,
U.N Ambassador.

All Kawaiian people have the free choices , as human beings all do, to decide their own paths and their own cultures and their own gender roles. Why is it okay to impose traditional cultures on all Kawaiian people?

The Kawaiian people have chosen their culture freely. Why should they have an alien one imposed upon them? For this is exactly what this legislation proposes. By demanding UN nations accept a radical re-definition of the concept of manhood and womanhood, supported by nothing more than the sexual prejudice of the ROADP, the esteemed delegate would force unwanted changes upon Kawaiian society. By what moral right does the ROADP claim to direct the lives of Our people?

How can you know the change is entirly unwanted. If transgender people are not considered equal in your land, do you think they would come forth and tell you that they support this? Of course not. We again point out that we are not forcing upon you an entirly new way of life, we only ask that you allow those who wish for a different way of life, or who had a different way of life forced on them before they could give consensus, to be equal within your boarders.

Sincerely,

Allan Smith
BlueTiger's UN Representative

The governemnt is absolutely delighted and suprised at the positive responses we have received from U.N member nations with regard to the Transsexual Equaltiy Act. We have so far received 90 signatures from U.N delegates, my governemnt is ready as ever to put this resolution into a vote.


But this governement needs your help. This government is not optimistic that it will be able to go on campaigning for this prosposal tonight.

OOC: I dont have access to my home computer at the moment. I do not know when I will have it back.

This government strongly urges the nations who support this resolution to advocate on behalf of this human right resolution and have other U.N delegates to approve my government's proposal. We only have to work a bit harder and the transgender people of all U.N member countries will realize their dreams of being full citizens and can live their lives with dignity.

Thank you very much for all your support!

Dee Marx, Prime Minister of ROADP.