NationStates Jolt Archive

Using what I have debated previously (See earlier threads on proper law)

I am drafting this proposal, and I am willing to go through the strenuous and tedious process of getting this proposal passed, and 100% legal.

Description: An overarching proposal to provide guidelines, entities and statutes for proper weapons bans, and dismantlement.

DECLARING: All weapons bans, and dismantlement resolutions would not be affected by this resolution, it is within this resolution's goal to provide the law, and statutes on just how weapons dismantlement, and bans are to be carried out.

CREATES: The UN Weapons Enforcement Bureau (UNWEB) an entity designed to carry out the laws and statutes of this resolution. This bureau is to oversee the proper dismantlement of currently banned weapons as well as enforce current bans.

RECOGNIZING: That member nations currently have no way of enforcing previously passed weapons bans. Thus an enforcement division is needed

FURTHERMORE: That there is no official guideline to proper dismantlement and ban enforcement, this resolution strives to achieve this goal

THIS RESOLUTION STIPULATES:

1. That current weapons bans and dismantlement are to be overseen by the UNWEB,

2. All member nations must allow all UNWEB inspectors full access to any member nation's weapons facilities and weapons research stations.

3. Any member nation who is found to be creating banned weapons will be forced to dismantle them under UNWEB supervision.

4. Dismantlement is defined as the complete elimination of the detonating device into its internal parts; the payload of the device must be destroyed, or neutralized depending on the scientific definition of how to do that task.

5. All Bans that are defined by other resolutions are enforced by the UNWEB.

Before I continue, I'm mostly concerned with the legality of the proposal, but it would also be nice to get any valuable input.

Interesting. Before I comment, I'll note that this is an original idea for legslation, which is nice to see. And it's pretty well-crafted, too.

1. I looked it over, and as far as I can tell it's legal.

2. I don't see the point of it considering that all nations are already in compliance with previous legislation and adding an oversight committee just seems redundant.

My only comment is this
http://bak42.notworksafe.com/images/NationStates/UNCards/AnotherUselessCommittee.JPG

Interesting. Before I comment, I'll note that this is an original idea for legslation, which is nice to see. And it's pretty well-crafted, too.

1. I looked it over, and as far as I can tell it's legal.

2. I don't see the point of it considering that all nations are already in compliance with previous legislation and adding an oversight committee just seems redundant.

The only thing I can see that would keep most weapons bans and dismantlement resolutions truly binding is a way to enforce them otherwise there is nothing to really stop someone from breaking a ban because there is no enforcement on the ban.

The only way I can see making this proposal legal is to make it a commitee. If I just made it a set of guidelines for all weapons bans, then I might be trespassing on legality. In any event this resolution would make the job of writing any future weapons bans simpler (since the documentation on enforcement procedures would no longer be needed per ban proposal)

My biggest concern, (and one that im sure is shared by others) is concerning rewrites on other proposals. I was thinking of adding a line to the proposal:

PROTECTING: When a weapons ban's original implementation is deemed inadequate, and a new one must be written, it is the UNWEB's responsibility to continue to uphold the original ban until a new one can rewritten, if it is deemed that a new ban will not be passed, then the UNWEB's obligation is relieved.

Thats my biggest question on legality. (I'm sorry I didnt include this earlier.)

SO in rewriting:

Description: An overarching proposal to provide guidelines, entities and statutes for proper weapons bans, and dismantlement.

DECLARING: All weapons bans, and dismantlement resolutions would not be affected by this resolution, it is within this resolution's goal to provide the law, and statutes on just how weapons dismantlement, and bans are to be carried out.

CREATES: The UN Weapons Enforcement Bureau (UNWEB) an entity designed to carry out the laws and statutes of this resolution. This bureau is to oversee the proper dismantlement of currently banned weapons as well as enforce current bans.

RECOGNIZING: That member nations currently have no way of enforcing previously passed weapons bans. Thus an enforcement division is needed

FURTHERMORE: That there is no official guideline to proper dismantlement and ban enforcement, this resolution strives to achieve this goal

THIS RESOLUTION STIPULATES:

1. That current weapons bans and dismantlement are to be overseen by the UNWEB,

2. All member nations must allow all UNWEB inspectors full access to any member nation's weapons facilities and weapons research stations.

3. Any member nation who is found to be creating banned weapons will be forced to dismantle them under UNWEB supervision.

4. Dismantlement is defined as the complete elimination of the detonating device into its internal parts; the payload of the device must be destroyed, or neutralized depending on the scientific definition of how to do that task.

5. All Bans that are defined by other resolutions are enforced by the UNWEB.

6. When a weapons ban's original implementation is deemed inadequate, and a new one must be written, it is the UNWEB's responsibility to continue to uphold the original ban until a new one can rewritten, if it is deemed that a new ban will not be passed, then the UNWEB's obligation is relieved.

My only comment is this
http://bak42.notworksafe.com/images/NationStates/UNCards/AnotherUselessCommittee.JPG

[OOC: When looking at the real UN, there is a weapons inspection program that is mandated not though an official weapons ban, but though a resolution that created the Weapons inspection commitee, I am merely trying to add this level of security. If anything this could be seen as a security proposal for each ban you would need its own inspection team, I am merely trying to create one overarching team of inspectors. It would be like having 6 Hans Blicks (sp?) over just one.']

Weapons Inspection is a matter we must face, as currently there is no weapons inspection! only weapons bans. If we were to create a body that oversees such resolutions, we would be living mich safer.

Weapons Inspection is a matter we must face, as currently there is no weapons inspection! only weapons bans. If we were to create a body that oversees such resolutions, we would be living mich safer.
We already have such a committee, their called the UN Gnomes.

We already have such a committee, their called the UN Gnomes.
Yeah, but not all of us trust the gnomes. Because people are obviously more suited to enforce one-size-fits-all laws.

Hmm. On second reading that wasn't as clear as it should have been. Meant to be sarcastic.

We already have such a committee, their called the UN Gnomes.

I don't recall a resolution creating the UN Gnomes. As such there is no way for the UN to actually enforce the laws they have been creating. The only way someone knows if a member knation is following the rules of a weapons ban/dismantlement is if the member nation uses the weapons on another country and that country reports that the weapon was used on them.


Even then the UN has no enforcement bureau to actualy go and punish the offender.

PROTECTING: When a weapons ban's original implementation is deemed inadequate, and a new one must be written, it is the UNWEB's responsibility to continue to uphold the original ban until a new one can rewritten, if it is deemed that a new ban will not be passed, then the UNWEB's obligation is relieved.

Metagaming/Game Mechanics violation. Deeply illegal.

well thank you for that, it will be removed. rather it will not be added.

Since there's no formal way for the UN to enforce its rules and laws upon the nations of the world, I would propose a World Court where fines sanctions and embargos may be imposed on nations in violation of International Law.
The court could consist of a panel,7 judges in all. After presenting the evidentiary and rebuttal cases, the panel would retire for secret deliberations regarding the case which was just argued before them. If the nation in question is found to be in violation, the court may pass sentence.
I am a newly elected Delegate (9 hours ago), I hail from The Monarchy Region.
Mystical Manical Monarchy of -Minas Tirith-

I don't recall a resolution creating the UN Gnomes. As such there is no way for the UN to actually enforce the laws they have been creating. The only way someone knows if a member knation is following the rules of a weapons ban/dismantlement is if the member nation uses the weapons on another country and that country reports that the weapon was used on them.


Even then the UN has no enforcement bureau to actualy go and punish the offender.
Actually the gnomes, aside from being an actual nation (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/01115/page=display_nation/nation=the_un_gnomes), are another term for the mechanics of the UN, and as such did not need a resolution to create them.

Since there's no formal way for the UN to enforce its rules and laws upon the nations of the world, I would propose a World Court where fines sanctions and embargos may be imposed on nations in violation of International Law.
The court could consist of a panel,7 judges in all. After presenting the evidentiary and rebuttal cases, the panel would retire for secret deliberations regarding the case which was just argued before them. If the nation in question is found to be in violation, the court may pass sentence.
I am a newly elected Delegate (9 hours ago), I hail from The Monarchy Region.
Mystical Manical Monarchy of -Minas Tirith-

Unfortunately I know thats way beyond illegal