NationStates Jolt Archive

Category: Recreational Drug Use
Resolution Name: Drug Promotion
Description:

Legalisation and promotion of drugs will greatly increase trade and economy of all countries (drugs will be taxed).

It's like the cigarettes. Non users hate them, but they bring vast amount of money in their country's coffers.

Decision: Promote

Torontia opposes ALL drugs except tobacco and alcohol.

We oppose your resolution and aim to see it defeated.

Why do you oppose them?

Btw. Tobbaco, unlike other drugs, don't harm only you, but also everyone around you. Drugs harm only it's users.

(OOC)

Officially:

Torontia considers drugs like cannabis to cause a lack of productivity amongst our workforce. Certain drugs cause the destruction of the work ethic and therefore damage the economy.

Besides, Torontia has NO free healthcare system as we are opposed to social/welfare services for they are communist ideas and go against our free market system.

Torontia would refuse to 'treat' these drug addicts should they get ill from their habit. If people take drugs, they should NEVER expect the state to provide them with healthcare, even if they were on the verge of death.

Unofficially:

Torontian President for Life, Paul Kaufman, takes very BIG bribes from the global trade in illegal drugs. Kaufman takes the money and then ensures that the illegal products get to where they are going.

Legalisation would destroy the monopoly Kaufman has in the western Canadian/American region on the drugs industry.

Kaufman only cares about his bank account and does not respond to any 'moral' arguements.

(OOC)

Officially:

Torontia considers drugs like cannabis to cause a lack of productivity amongst our workforce. Certain drugs cause the destruction of the work ethic and therefore damage the economy.

"YEAH?!?! well ... that's just like ... your opinion", answered the dude ... :eek:

Fatus Maximus has recently annexed a small tropical island twenty miles southeast of our mainland. It is inhabited by a peaceful race of intelligent, sentient purple pygmy gorillas. They have proved to be model citizens, happily becoming part of our society, both as island residents and as immigrants to the mainland. However, as our criminal element found out the hard way, when exposed to cannabis, even second hand smoke from cannabis, they grow twelve feet tall, develop razor sharp claws and teeth, and charge around lusting for the blood of all around it while emitting blasts of heat vision from it's eyes. Acting in the best interest of our populace, we would feel inclined to vote against this proposal.

Acting in the best interest of our populace, we would feel inclined to vote against this proposal.
This issue needs to be looked at again, but this time more in-depth.
Drugs which serve a medical purpose shouldn't be banned. Instead they should be incouraged and if illegal could in theory, be legalised and sold on the free market for a taxable profit.
This would furthur strengthen the world economy and reduce crime.
Drugs which don't serve a medical purpose such as tobbaco should be banned, and production stopped or regulated for countries which appose the ban or rely on sales of the product to maintain its economy.
The U.N needs to promote education on these drugs, letting the individual choose. The profit made from legalising medically benifical drugs can fund this.
Perhaps another issue should be healthcare for users of these drugs.
Should they be treated? This I believe needs to be answered.

I was going to ask what you were on, but well that would be kind of stupid.. :rolleyes:

I was going to ask what you were on, but well that would be kind of stupid.. :rolleyes:
You have something to say to me? Then say it!
I make a valid point and this is the response i get?
No wonder the U.N is making no progress if this is what the type leading it!

This issue needs to be looked at again, but this time more in-depth.
Drugs which serve a medical purpose shouldn't be banned. Instead they should be incouraged and if illegal could in theory, be legalised and sold on the free market for a taxable profit.
This would furthur strengthen the world economy and reduce crime.
Drugs which don't serve a medical purpose such as tobbaco should be banned, and production stopped or regulated for countries which appose the ban or rely on sales of the product to maintain its economy.
The U.N needs to promote education on these drugs, letting the individual choose. The profit made from legalising medically benifical drugs can fund this.
Perhaps another issue should be healthcare for users of these drugs.
Should they be treated? This I believe needs to be answered.

This proposal has nothing to do with medicine or beneficial drugs. Arguments in favor of medicinal use of marajuana aside, this proposal is so poorly written it legalizes ALL drugs, including crack, ecstasy, LSD, everything. These would fall into the category of "drugs which don't serve a medical purpose" which you yourself just said should be banned.

Q: What is your IQ?
My point was valid, it incorparates those drugs which can be used to aid people, while making a profit haelping a nations economy.
Don't discuss matters which you don't understand.
Here's a chocolate cake fatty, leave important political agendas to those who have a brain.

:rolleyes:

Drugs which serve a medical purpose shouldn't be banned. Instead they should be incouraged and if illegal could in theory, be legalised and sold on the free market for a taxable profit.

That's fine. Fatus Maximus has a free public healthcare system, so ours aren't sold, but of course drugs that serve a medical purpose should be available to the public.

Drugs which don't serve a medical purpose such as tobbaco should be banned, and production stopped or regulated for countries which appose the ban or rely on sales of the product to maintain its economy.

Here is where I disagree with you. You used the example of tobacco, but what if a nation depends on LSD production? Should that nation be allowed to produce LSD? My answer is- It's none of our damn business. We can pass resolutions making it illegal to sell harmful drugs to other countries, but otherwise I don't see a reason for us to interfere with another nation's drug policies.

Here's a chocolate cake fatty, leave important political agendas to those who have a brain.

Mmm... chocolate cake...

:salivates:

[You've brought you an intresting point, as far as i'm concerned however a country is responsible for the helathcare of it's own populace. The U.N however has a responsibilty to monitor the worlds healthcare structure.
As far as illegal drugs are concerned, I can't see a nations economy relying on L.S.D production as it is monopolised by organised crime syndicates.
The production of these 'illegal drugs' should be either stopped or monitor by the U.N, and releasing into the community is an issue before the court.
I would like to take this opportunity to apologise for comments I made earlier, the stress of dealing with numerous appeals and the workers revolt on Toromtia have taken it's toll on me.
This is however no excuse for my lewd behaviour.
I value your opinion and opinions of all nations.
We at the U.N need to set an example to the world, if we ever have the hope of improving it.

In the Foul Mouthed Monkeys, cannabis has been legalised in the privacy of your own home... surely this is the best way of dealing with this issue?

Apology accepted. :D I'll TG you my draft of the space station proposal tomorrow. I was planning on starting it today, but I had some RL stuff I had to finish and I ran out of time.

Category: Recreational Drug Use
Resolution Name: Drug Promotion
Description:

Legalisation and promotion of drugs will greatly increase trade and economy of all countries (drugs will be taxed).

It's like the cigarettes. Non users hate them, but they bring vast amount of money in their country's coffers.

Decision: Promote

We are happy to support the legalisation and regulation of recreational drugs. However, we would require a far better thought-through proposal with more details, recommendations for regulation and education, and some measure or suggestion dealing with passive use, plus some definition of what constitutes a recreational drug. _Myopia_ will also never support anything which in any way encouraged the use of a recreational drug unless substantial net benefits for the user could be demonstrated and it was not significantly addictive.

Our office will not be supporting what we consider to be a poorly-written proposal, regardless of its intent or other merits.

Deputy Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

My country will not be supporting Xerexia's proposal, due to the fact that we feel it is poorly written. Also, although we hate to take a similar stance as the country Torontia, we will also take measures to stop this proposal unless a better written version arises.

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
The Republic of BlueTiger's Deputy of Foreign Affairs

It's only a draft, not a full idea.

We are first looking for support, and if the idea becomes popular, the proposal will be made, with much more details.


Dennis D. Carson,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Xerexia

We understand it was simply an idea, or you would have already submitted it. There is one thing we feel should be included in any drug legalization act: education about the drug being legalized. Although we oppose making people suffer horrible illness and die, just to get the government money, we feel that if the people are properly educated on the effects that such drugs could do to them, then adding a tax to make money those who do decided to use the drugs, then we will agree with your proposal.

Sincerely,

Allan Smith
UN Representative of The Republic of BlueTiger

It's only a draft, not a full idea.

We are first looking for support, and if the idea becomes popular, the proposal will be made, with much more details.


Dennis D. Carson,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Xerexia

If you choose to pursue this anti-sovereignty approach to the legislation, our office would recommend that you approach the ambassador from _Myopia_ and ask for their help in authoring this legislation. While we often disagree with our colleagues from the not-quite-utopia, we find them to be more than capable of drafting very high-quality anti-sovereignty legislation.

Deputy Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

Category: Recreational Drug Use
Resolution Name: Drug Promotion
Description:

We feel that legalisation and promotion of all drugs will greatly increase trade and economy of all countries, since drugs will be taxed.

It's very important, however, that citizens be educated of what happens to drug users. A new school subject, Drug Education, or D.E. would not be graded and would be optional, students and parents would decide do they want that their children learn about drug.

We also wish to create an international corporation, named The Drugging Guild, or TDG, which will have monopoly on drug production and distribution. The countries will themselves choose their representatives for the corporation in their country and will receive tax of high 50% of all profits.

Also, countries will themselves decide what will be the price of any particular drug in their country. So, for instance, on country may sell 1kg of heroin for 10 Xerexyian Dollars, while others may for 5000 Xerexyian Dollars, or more.

To make sure that TDG don't oppress smaller and weaker countries, it would have a strong syndicate in it, supported by the goverments and the UN.

Also, every ten years, TDG would have to give 50% of all their profits made during the last decade to the UN, which will then decide what to do with them.

TDG would also, be responsible of drug addiction and would have to fund medical treatments of addicts.

So, for last, instead of only giving taxes to the countries, TDG would also employ many personell from those countries and would, with time, become the leading fundation of UN.

So, we ask that your decision be promotion of drugs.


Dennis D. Carson,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Xerexia

Our proposal is written, and we now ask for support to propose it to the UN.
Please contact us via telegraph or here.




Dennis D. Carson,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Xerexia

The Republic feels that the education that was is good, although we feel D.E. should be manitory, we will simply make is so in our own country.

Only one last sugjestion before we give our full support, TDG should have to give up 30%-40% of their profits every year. This is because, if they are to spend money on additcts and such, then they should keep more than half of their profits. The reason for yearly is to make it easier on TDG and the UN. TDG will not have to save their money to make sure they have enough to pay the UN at the end of the decade, and the UN will not have to worry about handling sudden large sums of money every ten years.

Sincerly,

Allan Smith
BlueTigers' Representive to the UN

Every country would receive 50% of the TDG's profits, not of entire income.

So, for example, if TDG gains 100,000,000 X.D.s in one country, then it spends 500,000 X.D.s for drug addicts and their health and say, another 1,500,000 X.D.s for wages, syndicate and other, they have 98,000,000 X.D.s and half of it - 48,000,000 X.D. would go to countries.

The reason UN gains vast amount of money after every decade is not mainly to give more income to UN but to make sure TDG don't become extremely powerful.

Also, countries would be able to make school subject D.E. mandatory or non-existent, as for their choice.

Dennis D. Carson,
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Xerexia

If you choose to pursue this anti-sovereignty approach to the legislation, our office would recommend that you approach the ambassador from _Myopia_ and ask for their help in authoring this legislation. While we often disagree with our colleagues from the not-quite-utopia, we find them to be more than capable of drafting very high-quality anti-sovereignty legislation.

Deputy Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

We're very flattered to receive such praise from the delegate from Texan Hotrodders. Whilst we would usually jump at an opportunity to help author such a proposal, our government recess will be starting on Tuesday and so our delegation will be absent from the UN from then until late August and unable to offer help during this period.

We would be willing to attempt a draft of such a proposal later this year, but in fact it may turn out to be impossible to do to a satisfactory standard given the limitations placed upon UN legislation, and we may well settle for the sort of sovereignty-respecting recommendation proposal that you are working on.

As to the current proposed draft, we would like to offer some thoughts.

It's very important, however, that citizens be educated of what happens to drug users. A new school subject, Drug Education, or D.E. would not be graded and would be optional, students and parents would decide do they want that their children learn about drug.

We don't feel this is appropriate. Nations should be allowed to provide education in any way they see fit. For instance, we include drug education as part of our biology curriculum, and maintaining this is much easier (and we think more effective) than establishing a separate subject, which might be seen by many students as not worthwhile, reducing the impact of the education. Nations should also be able to make their own decisions regarding the optionality of such programmes. It would be best simply to mandate or strongly urge that all nations ensure that all citizens, especially children, are educated (or at least be given the opportunity to easily access information) on the effects of drugs - and that this information must reflect the widely-agreed opinions of reputable impartial scientists with expertise in the field of psychoactive substances.

We also wish to create an international corporation, named The Drugging Guild, or TDG, which will have monopoly on drug production and distribution. The countries will themselves choose their representatives for the corporation in their country and will receive tax of high 50% of all profits.

This is also inappropriate. You have to consider the fact that many nations already legalised drugs and will have established industries. In capitalist nations, there will be markets and many competing suppliers, all of whom you have just put out of business. Other nations will have nationalised industries, in which case you're sweeping away already set-up systems with established quality standards and regulations. Our drug industry is working fine, ensuring high standards, responsible practices, and gainful employment for many people. We'd appreciate it if you left that as it is. Setting up a UN monopoly on the drug industry is wholly unnecessary and counter-productive - let nations figure it out themselves as long as the industry sticks to acceptable standards.

Also, every ten years, TDG would have to give 50% of all their profits made during the last decade to the UN, which will then decide what to do with them.

10 years seems rather arbitrary and the UN has no mechanism to make such decisions. Plus, by making UN programmes dependent on the profits from drug sales, you're basically making it in the UN's interest to create and maintain drug addictions within our populations.

TDG would also, be responsible of drug addiction and would have to fund medical treatments of addicts.

Again, you're tearing up established rehab systems and replacing them with systems imposed by this monolithic corporation which profits from addiction and yet is expected to run rehabilitation services.

would, with time, become the leading fundation of UN.

We'd rather not have a UN based on the suffering of drug addicts, thanks.

While BlueTiger is glad to hear that drug education is already required in Myopia, we feel that, should drugs become legal in all UN countries, then so should drug education.

Furthermore, after reading the arguments made by Myopia we propose the following:

That it is included in the proposal that all countries that already have a drug industry and drug rehabilitation are left alone. Those that do not already have one or both a required to establish them, and they are expected to met high standards. (What exactly those standards are I will leave up to debate.)

Sincerely,

Allan Smith
UN Representative of BlueTiger

BlueTiger']While BlueTiger is glad to hear that drug education is already required in Myopia, we feel that, should drugs become legal in all UN countries, then so should drug education.

I agree in that if legalisation is forced, introducing education (or at least easy access to good information) should be too.

That it is included in the proposal that all countries that already have a drug industry and drug rehabilitation are left alone. Those that do not already have one or both a required to establish them, and they are expected to met high standards. (What exactly those standards are I will leave up to debate.)

I don't think it's warranted to force the establishment of industries. In many more capitalist countries, having the government force the establishment of an industry would be completely out of place and there would likely be no mechanisms for doing so. Additionally, I'm sure there will be a few players RPing that nobody in their nation has any interest in drugs, or that no known chemicals affect their species in a way analagous to drugs, or that nobody wants to be involved in the drug industry. Let it be enough that it be legal and no undue barriers are placed in the way of those wishing to set up industries.

Why must nations whose citizens do not wish drugs to be introduced into their society be forced to allow them? I wouldn't support a universal ban on drugs- why would you support a universal enforced legalization on them?

Why must nations whose citizens do not wish drugs to be introduced into their society be forced to allow them? I wouldn't support a universal ban on drugs- why would you support a universal enforced legalization on them?

Every passed proposal is a universal enforced something. Why would I want to help poor people in my land, for one? But if UN pass that proposal, I'm gonna follow. Or leave UN. :D

And there's always the chance the proposal fails, or a ban-drug propsal comes. :D