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What the heck is wrong with the UN these days. I really cant believe that the UN's delegates cant pass a proposal to ban MUDER/RAPE/THEFT with a SIX percent approval rating. Sure these acts are obviously crimes but cmon! lets make it so no whacko-nation can say "hmmm i think ill allow one dude to kill another, rape his wife, and steal his stuff". What the heck is wrong with you people?

What the heck is wrong with the UN these days. I really cant believe that the UN's delegates cant pass a proposal to ban MUDER/RAPE/THEFT with a SIX percent approval rating. Sure these acts are obviously crimes but cmon! lets make it so no whacko-nation can say "hmmm i think ill allow one dude to kill another, rape his wife, and steal his stuff". What the heck is wrong with you people?Do you know if any United Nations Member does not have laws against these acts?

If we all have laws against these crimes, then why do we need to duplicate or replace those laws here?

Greetings.

We note your sense of grievance and assure you that we have read your proposal carefully. We suspect that it is illegal as it contravenes the individual, several and multiple freedoms of most of the member states of this august assembly.

The right to say it must exist - actually, there are almost no forms of legislation that could assist you in removing that right. Of course, it would be rather impolitic for any state to say what you have said they might say.

The title of your proposal, however, is rather ominous as it seems to be an attempt to influence future legislation by pre-emptive blocking. This is not allowed, whether aloud or not.

If you post your proposal here, I can tell you whether I have any issues with it and why.

Very few proposals actually reach the UN floor without a telegram campaign to rally supporters. In fact, since at least Nuclear Armaments (I don't know if it got a TG campaign going), no one has actually gotten a proposal to the floor without a TG campaign. Considering we're at resolution 113, with another in queue and the fact that two of these were deleted with invitation to submit after corrections were made means that you're looking at 6 of the last 7 to reach quarom that had a TG campaign.

Nuclear Armaments went through the proposal queue 5 times before it was able to get enough votes to hit the floor. IIRC, I've heard that others have gone as many as 9 times through.

Very few proposals actually reach the UN floor without a telegram campaign to rally supporters. In fact, since at least Nuclear Armaments (I don't know if it got a TG campaign going), no one has actually gotten a proposal to the floor without a TG campaign.I was running a telegram campaign when it finally reached quorum, I didn't have the time to do it the previous times, and even then I didn't have time until the last day and a half.

Nuclear Armaments went through the proposal queue 5 times before it was able to get enough votes to hit the floor. IIRC, I've heard that others have gone as many as 9 times through.
The most trips through the queue I've heard of is 15 which was for Enn's Habeas Corpus (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=72) resolution.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

The most trips through the queue I've heard of is 15 which was for Enn's Habeas Corpus (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions/start=72) resolution.
Ah, good old records. It was for that reason that I avoid doing anything that would require submitting proposals. And it should be pointed out that there were TG campaigns on at least 10 of those attempts, as well as many threads, and a mention in the North Pacific's Hall of Fame for proposals of merit.

I've run proposals with and without telegram campaigns and can confirm what has already been said: if you want your proposal to reach the UN floor in the time given, you have to make a polite nusicance of yourself and telegram as many UN Delegates as you can.

That said, it really does help to find an ally to share the burden of telegramming. The best approach is to keep a list of Delegates who have endorsed your proposal the first few times and each time to politely send them another telegram. But it also is a good idea to ask them to telegram you if they are already watching the proposal queue and don't want telegrams. :)

I've run proposals with and without telegram campaigns and can confirm what has already been said: if you want your proposal to reach the UN floor in the time given, you have to make a polite nusicance of yourself and telegram as many UN Delegates as you can.

That said, it really does help to find an ally to share the burden of telegramming. The best approach is to keep a list of Delegates who have endorsed your proposal the first few times and each time to politely send them another telegram. But it also is a good idea to ask them to telegram you if they are already watching the proposal queue and don't want telegrams. :)

There are a number of Delegates that I don't bother to telegram, and they fall into several categories:

1. They've made it clear that they don't want me to telegram them.
2. I'm pretty sure they won't like my proposal.
3. I know they trawl the proposal list regularly and are likely to approve my proposal.

The first and third are pretty small groups, but the second is a pretty large group. :D

There are a number of Delegates that I don't bother to telegram, and they fall into several categories:

1. They've made it clear that they don't want me to telegram them.
2. I'm pretty sure they won't like my proposal.
3. I know they trawl the proposal list regularly and are likely to approve my proposal.

The first and third are pretty small groups, but the second is a pretty large group. :D

I'm in the second group often, but go ahead and TG me, TH. I might approve of it anyway for the sake of it getting voted.

When I was telegramming for my resolution, I was too new to know which delegates would be more or less likely to endorse it, so just sent TGs to any delegate I found in the delegates list who...

didn't mention no spam/lobbying in their WFE
wasn't a mod
wasn't in a nazi region (the only group I felt definetly wouldn't be sympathetic, especially as Waterana is a socialist nation)
and had been active within the previous 48 hours (24 in the last couple of days).

That forumula worked for me. The second time I tried anyway :).

As for what the thread starter is complaining about. Perhaps the reason support of your proposal (which I had seen and read) is lukewarm is because, as others have said, nations already have laws against these crimes and most of us, even non-national soverignists such as myself, consider law and order such as this purely a national concern, not an international one.

There's also the problem that any such resolution would have to refer to punishments, which is one of those things that is sure to create arguments. On the opne hand you have nations that believe that captial punishment is not only proper, it is the only thing you can do to a criminal, while on the other hand you've got nations in which the highest form of punishment is a stern lecture.

OOC: Regarding the need for a TG campaign, I've managed to garner over fifty approvals with about twelve hours to go or something and I've made virtually no effort at all. I'm hoping that I might hit sixty, maybe even seventy, which would give me real heart for the TG campaign on second submission.