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The QUEENDOM OF JENNY JEN JEN is proposing this pair of Resolutions and is actively looking for support to put both above Resolutions to a full member vote:

Description: UN Resolution #12: Gay Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: APPLAUDING the efforts by the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF KUNDU and its supporting nations to end the scourge of discrimination through out the civilized world.

REALIZING that in order for a society to achieve total equality, it must be equal for all, no matter sex, color, creed, sexual orientation, or social class.

The QUEENDOM OF JENNY JEN JEN proposes a repeal to this Resolution and a re-write in a proposed Resolution, which will be introduced concurrent to this proposal to repeal.

The Queendom is disturbed by the lack of flexibility in the approved language of this Resolution. The Queendom is particularly disturbed by the final statement that all UN member nations are obligated to endorse, by acts of local legislation, gay marriages.

The Queendom is wholly accepting of homosexuals and has legislation enacted that protects the rights of homosexuals, but she does not feel that the UN has the authority to enforce passing of legislation that affects the whole of society in this way. An issue as controversial as gay marriage should be left up to the legislations of the several member nations, not the UN.

A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION, being drafted at this time, will uphold Gay Rights and will endorse the sanctity of gay marriage, but will leave the legality of gay marriage up to the several member nations. A clause in the new RESOLUTION will dictate that all UN member nations honor any homosexual marriages that are legally enacted by another member nation.

A CONCURRENT RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN CONCERT WITH THE ABOVE PROPOSAL TO APPEAL


Description: A RESOLUTION PROPOSED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE PROPOSAL TO REPEAL UN RESOLUTION #12.

APPLAUDING the efforts put forth by the PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF KUNDU and its supporting nations in forwarding the cause of equality for all sectors of society.

The QUEENDOM OF JENNY JEN JEN is proposing a re-write of the above RESOLUTION to as follows:

1) The UN recognizes that equal rights must apply to all sectors of society, no matter sex, color, creed, social standing, or sexual orientation.

2) The UN recognizes that there is a minority of society that wishes to actively oppress homosexual activity.

3) In order to curb this oppression, all UN member nation are hereby bound to honor ALL marriages legally sanctified by another UN member nations.

4) Although all member nations are bound to honor ALL legal marriages sanctified by other nations, the question of 'What is a legal marriage?' is put to the members of the several member nations. The question of the legality of Homosexual Marriage is put to the legislation of the several member nations.

5) The UN encourages the legality of Gay Marriage, but it realizes that there are nations where the concept of homosexuality is immoral, and in some cases, illegal.

The QUEENDOM finds the current Resolution too binding in its language. UN Resolution #12 forces the several UN Member Nations to actively support and enact legislation legalizing homosexual marriage, no matter what their current opinion on the issue is.

The QUEENDOM does not feel that the UN has the legal authority, nor the power, to force such behavior from its Member Nations, and proposes a rewrite that leaves the question of legality to the several Nations, but stresses that ALL marriages legally sanctified by UN Member Nations be honored fully by the rest of the UN community.

The Definition of marriage (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7680061&postcount=82) resolution protects the rights of gays to marry, no matter whether their government wants to discriminate against them or not in that one aspect of life, a lot more strongly than the Gay Rights resolution does.

To get rid of the UN protections over a persons civil right to marry who they choose, you'll have to repeal that one as well.

The Queendom of Jenny Jen Jen only sees the 'Definition of Marriage' Resolution as just that, a definition of marriage. The Resolution does not dictate to the many Member Nations whether or not they MUST legalize the act of homosexual marriage, it only states what marriage is, and is not. The revised Resolution that has been proposed by the Queendom fully draws on the support of the 'Definition of Marriage' Resolution.

To draw upon an analogy, the Queendom's position on gambling is that all types of wagering is gambling. However, while some acts are illegal, certain others, such as lotteries and the like, are not.

The same logic comes across here. The Queendom, or any other nation, recognizes homosexual marriage as a form of marriage, but if they so choose, may decide that it is not legal to be performed within the jurisdiction of that nation.

Fair enough :).

I see it diferently than you do. It does include that marriage is a joining of two people, with gender included in the definition. That to me does legalise gay marriage in all nations or they aren't complying with the definition. Its just a case of interpretation I suppose.

5) The UN encourages the legality of Gay Marriage, but it realizes that there are nations where the concept of homosexuality is immoral, and in some cases, illegal.
This is the bit I have a problem with.
I can understand leaving marriage up to the state, but I quite dislike allowing member states to illegalize being homosexual and to oppress homosexuals. At least, this is what clause 5 appears to allow.
Of course, there are other laws on human rights and such, and I shan't have time to go check them at the moment, but I suppose they may protect homosexuals from genocide and such, in which case your proposal would make more sense. But I'm just wondering aloud now.
I will check the other human rights legislation tomorrow, if nobody beat me to it.

The government of Telidia can regrettably not lend its support to the repeal of the current legislation. In our humble opinion two individuals choosing to be united under law should be allowed to do so whatever their sexuality.

The word ‘marriage’ in our opinion is simply a linguistic way of explaining the union in the English language and represents nothing more than a definition and as such is no more significant than any other word in the English language. The fact this legislation has chosen the word marriage is of little relevance to us, though since it is in statute we can see little point in increasing the workload of an already overworked UN staff simply to change a word.

Respectfully
Lydia Cornwall, UN Ambassador
Office of UN Relations, Dept for Foreign Affairs
HM Government of Telidia

"The Queendom is wholly accepting of homosexuals and has legislation enacted that protects the rights of homosexuals, but she does not feel that the UN has the authority to enforce passing of legislation that affects the whole of society in this way. An issue as controversial as gay marriage should be left up to the legislations of the several member nations, not the UN."

there is nothing to suggest that the un does not have that kind of authority, in fact, the un opening page says that all members must follow all un resolutions.

And may i add, that a nation not allowing discrimination, but giving oportunities to people unfairly, based only on the factor they don't allow discrimination against, is complete and total hypocrisy.

According to current UN bylaws, the UN has only whatever authority its member nations deem it should have.

The QUEENDOM feels that the UN DOES NOT have the authority to enforce such legislation upon its sovereign member nations. The question of legality, particularly in such a controversial, polarizing subject as this, should be left to the legislative bodies of each individual member nation.

If you may notice, the QUEENDOM has proposed a concurrent resolution. This resolution stipulates that all UN Member Nations give full faith and credit to all marriages legally sanctified by all other UN Member Nations. Of course, member nations are free to exercise their right to regulate the marriage of non-citizens within their borders.

Neither resolution is aimed at banning homosexual unions, but revises the wording so that individual member nations may decide on the legality of it, based on the popular opinion of their citizens.

OOC:
May I kindly suggest you do some further research regarding the workings of the NSUN within the game? Have a little look see at the sticky's. The NSUN does not function in the same manner as the UN in real life. All resolutions passed in the NSUN are considered enforced in every member state, members have no choice. Think of it this way, resolution is passed the UN Gnomes come to Jenny Jen Jen and re-write all your laws pertaining to this subject in order to bring you into compliance.

The reason it works this way is because once a resolution is passed the game automatically updates the statistics of member nations based on the category and strength of the resolution. Thus laws passed by the member body are enforced in your nation whether you like it or not. Therefore the day we received our little blue badge and our little email telling us we are now UN members, every resolution became law in our nations by default and the UN has every right to enforce this legislation on you, me or any other member.

Don’t mean to patronise you, just thought this might be a useful bit of information to help you understand how things work. :D

The 75th SFPG will NEVER allow homosexual marraiges, unions, or partnerships as we define them as between one man and one woman.

We support the repeal.

UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTION #12

Gay Rights
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Kundu

Description: WHEREAS it has been clearly witnessed there is an outspoken minority who wish to oppress gays.

We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations.

Votes For: 12,705
Votes Against: 7,734

Implemented: Sat May 3 2003
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All of you need to go back and look at Resolution #12 as by it not only is GAY RIGHTS an issue but the wording of this resolution says that ALL FORMS of DISCRIMINATION have been outlawed in member NATIONS..

*---all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. ----*

is the real meat of this one as according this laws have already been put into place that protect people from DISCRIMINATION... in ALL PARTS OF LIFE...... thus by law there is no more DISCRIMINATION of any type in any UN Member Nation.. simply by way this one resolution is worded... GAY RIGHTS is not the real meat here...

OOC: Yes, and I do know just a little bit of the NSUN workings. I do realize that every resolution passed instantly becomes law in the member nations. I do realize that we do this without a choice.

The point of the repeal is to give member nations the choice, and you'll notice that not one phrase in the resolution says anything about banning gay marriage, or banning homosexuality. The choice to decide what is best for their individual little piece of web page, based on their current political ideology. The question of whether your nation wants gay marriages, civil unions, or nothing at all, should come up in an issue where you can pass local legislation, not be enforced throughout the entire organization.

:)

OOC:
May I kindly suggest you do some further research regarding the workings of the NSUN within the game? Have a little look see at the sticky's. The NSUN does not function in the same manner as the UN in real life. All resolutions passed in the NSUN are considered enforced in every member state, members have no choice. Think of it this way, resolution is passed the UN Gnomes come to Jenny Jen Jen and re-write all your laws pertaining to this subject in order to bring you into compliance.

The reason it works this way is because once a resolution is passed the game automatically updates the statistics of member nations based on the category and strength of the resolution. Thus laws passed by the member body are enforced in your nation whether you like it or not. Therefore the day we received our little blue badge and our little email telling us we are now UN members, every resolution became law in our nations by default and the UN has every right to enforce this legislation on you, me or any other member.

Don’t mean to patronise you, just thought this might be a useful bit of information to help you understand how things work. :D

OOC: Yes, and I do know just a little bit of the NSUN workings. I do realize that every resolution passed instantly becomes law in the member nations. I do realize that we do this without a choice.

The point of the repeal is to give member nations the choice, and you'll notice that not one phrase in the resolution says anything about banning gay marriage, or banning homosexuality. The choice to decide what is best for their individual little piece of web page, based on their current political ideology. The question of whether your nation wants gay marriages, civil unions, or nothing at all, should come up in an issue where you can pass local legislation, not be enforced throughout the entire organization.

:)

Ahhhh, your understanding is not flawed for the actual workings of the UN, you appear to have made a common misconception that national soverignty takes precedence over UN legislation.

Fact is the UN overrides national sov. This (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8681146&postcount=4) is arguably the best topic that discusses national soverignty and the UN.

In the case of gay rights, it is the opinion of my government that the promotion of an induviduals rights are more important than the preservation of National Soverignty.

ok gay is rong i think we should enforce a new law AGAINST gay marriages!! :mad:

ok gay is rong i think we should enforce a new law AGAINST gay marriages!! :mad:

:headbang: I simply don't believe such a statement! Sad, very sad that you feel that way Annahay ...

Peace and tolerance to all sensible people in here. :fluffle:

Let them marry who cares if they dont.hell they are happy to get married and nothing bad happens to the country.

Morvonia is right. Nothing bad happens to a antion if they allowe gay marrage. It doesn't hurt the economy at all. What you are trying to do is to enact legislation that is discriminatory against people of a different sexual orientation than your own.



The Holy Empire will not support your legislation.

The 75th SFPG will NEVER allow homosexual marraiges, unions, or partnerships as we define them as between one man and one woman.

You're a member of the UN. You already support gay marriages. Whether you like it or not. You have since you joined. Non-compliance is non-existent.

You're a member of the UN. You already support gay marriages. Whether you like it or not. You have since you joined. Non-compliance is non-existent.
Minor Quibbles:

1) I think UN legislation is less specific about "supporting" gay marriages, per se, than you're representing it.

2) Non-compliace exists in role-play.

The Definition of marriage (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7680061&postcount=82) resolution protects the rights of gays to marry, no matter whether their government wants to discriminate against them or not in that one aspect of life, a lot more strongly than the Gay Rights resolution does.

To get rid of the UN protections over a persons civil right to marry who they choose, you'll have to repeal that one as well.



That's the saddest thing I ever read.