NationStates Jolt Archive

How many of you are sick of people repealing old resolutions, just because one of the properties of the resolution has been superseded by a latter resolution :headbang: . I propose to you, the general UN public, that approval must be given by people higher than general leaders, if a repeal is wanted. For this to happen, all or at least a significant amount of the properties, must have been superseded. If you are all for this then please do not be afraid to say so.

UN Delegate of The Legion of Popcorn Pimps,
Extinguishers.

Looking after the people of the world...or at least the region.

The PDS agrees with Extinguishers, and we are trying to curb the flow of repeals based on this principle:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432042

We would also work with extinguishers to bring this issue up with the moderators

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432044

I do suggest that you write a similar forum in the "Technical" section of the forums, so as to garner attention to your issue. It is a dangerous path the NSUN is walking on, and we are doing what we can to curb it.

There's only been one repeal where that was the case (Required Basic Healthcare)

Most repeals are because the first resolution did diddly squat or did not take proper care and consideration on the issue.

Like Resolution 16

I do suggest that you write a similar forum in the "Technical" section of the forums, so as to garner attention to your issue. It is a dangerous path the NSUN is walking on, and we are doing what we can to curb it.OOC: And I suggest not.

How many times do Max and the admins have to say: "We're not going to do it because it would take far more work than is justified in supporting a free game"?

To continue to lobby the people who have been so kind to create this game to make significant changes to it when they have refused is inconsiderate beyond belief. If you don't like it, well, there are lots of good books on Perl, Python, PHP, and whatever else you may need out there, and you can use them to write your own game. So get cracking!

Yes, I'm bordering on rudeness in saying this, but it's not like the mods haven't said the same thing time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time again.

It was nice that they gave us appeals. Thank them, and get on with it.

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IC: "The ambassador from Snoogit must be aware that changes in the Charter are impossible at this point. We recommend creating a lobbying group - the way Texan Hotrodders created the National Sovereignty Organisation (NSO) - to educate people to the problem. Perhaps, if you manage to work at it hard enough, you could become strong enough that anyone contemplating an appeal would know that they stood no chance at all in getting ine through unless they submitted a replacement proposal in the forum of your choice in advance.

"In short, this problem is one that should be answered through political organisation - indeed, there is really no other effective answer for it."

IC: "The ambassador from Snoogit must be aware that changes in the Charter are impossible at this point. We recommend creating a lobbying group - the way Texan Hotrodders created the National Sovereignty Organisation (NSO) - to educate people to the problem. Perhaps, if you manage to work at it hard enough, you could become strong enough that anyone contemplating an appeal would know that they stood no chance at all in getting ine through unless they submitted a replacement proposal in the forum of your choice in advance.

"In short, this problem is one that should be answered through political organisation - indeed, there is really no other effective answer for it."

We are exploring just this option. We kindly appreciate the ambassador's opinion.

IC: "The ambassador from Snoogit must be aware that changes in the Charter are impossible at this point. We recommend creating a lobbying group - the way Texan Hotrodders created the National Sovereignty Organisation (NSO) - to educate people to the problem. Perhaps, if you manage to work at it hard enough, you could become strong enough that anyone contemplating an appeal would know that they stood no chance at all in getting ine through unless they submitted a replacement proposal in the forum of your choice in advance.

"In short, this problem is one that should be answered through political organisation - indeed, there is really no other effective answer for it."

I'd like to invite both of your nations to: (1) visit the United Nations Association, which takes an interest in the administrative affairs and policies of the United Nations, and (2) consider telegramming Groot Gouda (current IDU Delegate), as that government was interested in forming a voting block of liberal UN nations.

I do suggest that you write a similar forum in the "Technical" section of the forums, so as to garner attention to your issue. It is a dangerous path the NSUN is walking on, and we are doing what we can to curb it.
Don't bother. We'd just say "no" again.

I like repeals. Yes, they can be annoying and they can be abused, but that's really no surprise and nothing new. After all, resolutions have been annoying and have been abused quite frequently.

Repeals are what's going to allow for the possibility of continuing legislation after the UN has addressed every topic. Repeals are what's going to allow us to get rid of bad legislation in addition to making good legislation (we hope we're making good legislation).

Repeals are what's going to allow for the possibility of continuing legislation after the UN has addressed every topic.

There is no way that the UN will ever address every topic. Every country in the world and every community has it's own issues. Every one of these can be blown up into a UN resolution. New issues will keep on coming up. As an example the resolution relating to tsunami warning systems was only ever even thought up of because of the Boxing Day disaster.

I like repeals. Yes, they can be annoying and they can be abused, but that's really no surprise and nothing new. After all, resolutions have been annoying and have been abused quite frequently.


What's sad is that one of the resolutions repeals was originally introduced to get rid of is still there =p

What's sad is that one of the resolutions repeals was originally introduced to get rid of is still there =p
Which one's that?

I think it bears mentioning, for clarity's sake, that I believe a lot of this complaint from Extinguishers is directed specifically at me.

To Powerhungry Chipmunks,
About 40% of the time when I access the UN resolutions, you are listed. Normally I wouldn't have a problem with this, however it is because you repeal previous resolutions, I am telegramming you now. If you can't think of your own idea for a resolution, why bother. Just because one part of the resolution has been superseded by a latter resolution, doesn't mean that the whole resolution should be overturned. At the conclusion of this telegram I will be posting a thread on the message boards asking for significant reason needed to repeal a resolution.

UN Delegate of the Legion of Popcorn Pimps,
Extinguishers.

I do not havea copy of my response to Extinguishers, but I did respond and tried to calm the fear of "the man" that seemed to have gripped the country. Extinguishers further responded thus:
Powerhungry Chipmunks,

Your replied statement listed three reasons for repealing a resolution. #2 stated ‘…We're running out of new topics…’ That is one of the main ideas of the UN, to create NEW and interesting resolutions that IMPROVE the way that UN nations live. Repealing is just the cheapskate way of publicising your name and your ‘originality.’

Since I have become UN Delegate in the Legion of Popcorn Pimps (97 days ago) I have found that 25% of resolutions were proposed by you personally, of which 2 of them (67%) have been repeals. You conveniantly forgot to list your most recent repeal (National Systems of Tax), the resolution you proposed, just 7 resolutions previous. What has changed in your mind in the last 1½ months? No resolution has been passed since, even relating to National Systems of Tax, so why was it repealed, to glorify your name.

You said that you repealed ‘Legalize Prostitution’ because you didn’t agree with it. A lot of people disagree with every resolution (quite often up to 5,000.) Does that mean that every resolution should be repealed? This is a question I am asking you. ‘Legalize Prostitution’ was repealed in one of the closest resolutions ever (#1 excepted.) This shows that just because one person disagreed with it being passed, everyone else followed. Only about 5% of resolutions are defeated, there is no way to repeal this is there, there is no way to even view these defeated proposals.

I have a forum relating to this issue titled ‘Repealing Resolutions,’ feel free to check it out and add your two cents to the topic.

Extinguishers,
UN Delegate of the Legion of Popcorn Pimps

I believe these telegrams illustrate Extinguishers objections to repeals (specifically, to me repealing resolutions) more clearly, and may be enlightening to the discussion.

In 2004, when I posted more frequently in *response* to UN resolution debates, I managed to have two ambassadors who made it their personal mission to constantly claim my government was attempting to take over the entire world via the UN. *rollseyes* It is what happens when you become too visible. The alternative is to use puppets, and how many of your governments want to encourage active UN members to hide in the shadows and puppetwank?

Given that this complaint centers on the misconception that the Powerhungry Chipmunks haven't created unique resolutions, history can settle this immediately:

The Powerhungry Chipmunks have proposed:
* 3 unique resolutions
* 4 repeals (two of which were rather close votes)

Only one other government has actually had 3 resolutions *adopted*. I'd say the telegrams referenced only illustrate that this discussion is really more about sour grapes than anything else, and we honestly have more important business to attend to, such as working on draft proposals! Let's just drop this now!

Which one's that?

Law of the Sea. I've been making use of the loophole in section 3d to build anything I feel like building underwater in the territorial waters of UN nations that annoy me =p