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Proposal for the UN devised by me and the peoples of the region of Ubuntu.

I saw many alternate energies threads, resolutions and proposals throughout the UN and i saw them disjointed and fragmented such as Proposal: Plans for new Power Plants . So i created the AEF Resolution.

Becuase, without a proper phasing out and correct phasing in, the new power requirements of energy and environmental impact will not be met.

One thing must be noted. For cars to run on hydrogen, that hydrogren must be produced by power generated from clean sources.

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Description: Alternate Energy and Fuels Resolution
Mandates that government, energy resource producers and automotive industries must devote a portion of revenue to the complete phasing in of alternate energies.

This mandate overrides previous mandates of hydrogen fuels and alternate energies for the following.

The production of hydrogen is only capable through the electrolysis of water on part of the use of electrical energy and the refinement of fossil fuels.

The following lists the reason for a complete phase out of non renewable and environmentally damaging energies.

1. Fossil fuels are non-renewable, and their life time expectancy is considered to be very short.

2. The dependendancy of industrialised and developing nations is detrimental to their development as many countries are not net energy exporters and are susceptible to the price control of gross energy exporters.

3. Non-renewable sources are commonly damaging to the environment and are strong cause for the recognised global warming phenomenon.

The draft resolution for the phasing out of non-renewable and environmentally harming energies follows and contains answers for both the development clean automobiles and clean power.

The following recognises:
1. Hydrogen is the best answer for future clean energies
2. Nuclear power will be necessary for the smooth change over and will provide for a faster phasing-out of fossil fuels
3. Clean energy will require a combination of fusion, mechanised and sun based power generation.
4. To produce net clean hydrogen for use in fusion reactors and fuel cells, electricity from renewable sources will be required.
5. The use of hydrogen based fuel for cars and industry require the clean production of hydrogen through electrolysis of water using clean electricity sources

the following is the draft phase plan:

1.Massive increases into the technologies of fusion, fuel cells and nuclear technologies.
2. The widespread introduction of basic clean energy initiatives, education, wind-power, hydroelectric power, solar power, hybrid cars
3. The building of gross fission based nuclear facilities to replace aged and polluting fossil power generation plants and provide excess power.
4. Use of excess electricity to replace fossil use in industry
5. Use of further excess electricity to produce clean hydrogen gas.
6. The phasing out of fossil fuel based automobiles and heavy introduction of hydrogen based fuel cell automobiles
7. To cope with further demand for electricity for the powering of nations, transport and industry and the removal of relatively clean but waste producing nuclear fission plants the wide and heavy introduction of fusion based power reactors is required.

Once these steps are completed there should be absolutely no production of environmentally damaging pollution and a nation’s energy requirements could be met and controlled by themselves.

Note: Hydrogen fuel cell based cars are useless without the clean production of hydrogen through electrolysis in cooperation of clean electricity sources.
Fusion energy creates a gross energy production which should over time provide humanity with excess, cheap and clean energy.

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The proposal eliminates quite a few resolutions and unifies even more. Such as those banning single hulled tankers, and new fuels for transport resolutions. The unifaction of all these is neccisary because the energy of the world is connected thus.

Please support it. The aim of the resolution is not the create another energy resolution, but to unify and void many other resolutions. It is quite possible that the combination of previous environment industry and energy resolutions will be the most impactful resolution before the UN, aside from those that impact on human rights and social agendas.

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I just proposed the resolution.

Alright. To start, what you've just proposed is horrificly expensive. It would cost us billions upon billions to bring this into reality. And in some parts, you're contradicting yourself. You say we should construct many fission based nuclear power plants (which would cost A LOT), which produce vast amounts of nuclear waste, so that, one day, eventually, we would have clean power, and at that point, we would shut these fission based plants, on which we spent tons of money, down. Sorry. It's just plain senseless.
Besides, Hydrogen cell cars won't be available (REAL LIFE) until about 2015, which means that till then we will have to shut down all of our fossil powered energy plants... You know what, this is just too big of a brain storm for us to handle right now. After the revolution, our economy is flunking. We can't afford this at the moment. Hell, I think no one can.

Hey buddy, i know the cos,t but not doing it is greater. The sum cost of the rising price of energy resources will far outweigh that of this proposal. We have at least 50 years to implement it, because if its not done before then our proven reserves of fossil fuels will have run out.

And if you take into account the time needed to mobilize an economy and build totally new power infrastructure i think you will realise the time is now.

Let alone the environmental effects of the current base of society, but the econmic effects of our current reliance on a finite fuel not even located in the most hungry nations will be catastrophic.It doesnt matter if you have no money now, you have to do it, because in 50 years time, which i have revised the resolution to be upheld to, you will have no money (from buying energy resources that are or have run out) and your nation will have no power.

It is the way of human nature to put things off till the last moment, but i argue: we know what is comeing, the pollution is overwhelming, the demand cannot be met, time is running out and the project needs to be started now and revised through time depending on forcomeing dilemas.

This project may well be the larget project ever undertaken in the area of national infrastructure of every nation. The generations to come will thank us for boundless clean energy instead of curseing us for giveing them a world with now power. I know the picture is dark, but its not shock tactics, do some reseach nefore you sign the resolution and you will find that 50 years is ample time, and that 50 years is all we have. Of course if we start now the long term economic impact will be less dramatic than when the time comes and we realise we have to do it all in one go.

For once in history lets prepare for something.

As for the argument on fission based power plants. This phase is not entirely neccisary, but i intelligently took into account the fact that many devloping and industrialised nations need energy now, simply because fusion based power is currently only a concept and has still to reach q=20 let alone q=1 (output dived by input power). So currently is is neccisary if only on part of the environment to build fission power plants, possibly in junction with sola, hydro or wind power. As for nuclear waste, it is an interesting fact that the amount of radiactive carbon present as a small percentage in fossil fuels that has been pumped into our atmosphere by cars and powerplants far outweights the amount of nuclear waste pordicued including the output of long island and the soviet disasters. To sum, fission based powerplants should be build instead of fossil based until fusion technology is adaptable.

Thankyou and please endorse the resolution, it will solve alot of our problems involving the environoment and decreasing energy supply, plus starting now will lessen the economic impact.

Just follow the phase staed in the resolution and clean abundant energy will be a reality because the longer we wait the steeper the hill gets.

the following is the draft phase plan:

1.Massive increases into the technologies of fusion, fuel cells and nuclear technologies.
2. The widespread introduction of basic clean energy initiatives, education, wind-power, hydroelectric power, solar power, hybrid cars
3. The building of gross fission based nuclear facilities to replace aged and polluting fossil power generation plants and provide excess power.
4. Use of excess electricity to replace fossil use in industry
5. Use of further excess electricity to produce clean hydrogen gas.
6. The phasing out of fossil fuel based automobiles and heavy introduction of hydrogen based fuel cell automobiles
7. To cope with further demand for electricity for the powering of nations, transport and industry and the removal of relatively clean but waste producing nuclear fission plants the wide and heavy introduction of fusion based power reactors is required.

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Clean on one planet is not, necessarily, clean on the other. The region/planet of Northwind has various scientists investigating energy issues all the time. I see no point to this proposal. If you want to do this...do it regionally.


So far, the only thing I see you doing is adding to my governmental administration costs. We don't use fossil fuels, so this is not our issue.

"Clean on one planet is not, necessarily, clean on the other."

The very basis of fusion, hydrogen and renewable energies is clean. There is no dirty form of fusion power and no dirty form of hydrogen fuel as long as the hydrogen is produced cleanly.

The rest of your post is contradictory: How can you be invesitgateing it continuously if you have already impletmented it. Should not your scientists be now acting on ways to improve your apparently already clean energy production?

"So far, the only thing I see you doing is adding to my governmental administration costs. "

Please explain how you came to this conclusion if you infact already have turned to clean energy sources. Therefor you have already completed a slight variation of the phases listed in the resolution but bought about the same outcome.

As for administration costs acorss the UN, as i stated in my previous post, if we do not start now, the economic impacts of rushing the process will be disaterful, as well as the economic impact of a continuously rising fossile fuel price.

"We don't use fossil fuels, so this is not our issue."

It is your issue, because as a county for which this will have no direct impact, you should be able to see the overall good in the idea. Many resolutions wll be void by this, many more combined, pollution will be a thing of the past and polllution is something that impacts globally, not just regionally, thus it is in your best interests, and as i said before, this resolution gives up ample time to complete the phases, and thus lessens the economic impact.