NationStates Jolt Archive

...it might be a perfect time to give yourselves a breather. Stop submitting proposals for a week or so, put your feet up, breathe in the cool air, and have a nice cold beer. :cool:

Sounds like a plan I just put on the popcorn anyone got any good movies...

The backlog is about to be increased....and before you know it, we'll have a month's worth of resolutions backlogged.

Looks like there's a Chipmunks resolution coming through - 'Repeal National Systems of Tax' - which will join the queue. Which will make them the first people to successfully legislate and repeal the same law. I was going for that, dammit! :p

Looks like there's a Chipmunks resolution coming through - 'Repeal National Systems of Tax' - which will join the queue. Which will make them the first people to successfully legislate and repeal the same law. I was going for that, dammit! :pGreat! As soon as that repeal is in queue, I can offer my Common Market resolution!!!!

Actually ---

<Allemande rises to address the chair>

"Point of order: if a repeal of Resolution #105 is en queue, would a proposed Resolution be stricken if that Resolution required the repeal of #105 (in anticipation of its repeal), or could it be inserted in queue and then deleted were #105 subsequently not repealed?"

<Allemande sits down and awaits the ruling of the chair>

Ironically, the backlog makes it a lot easier to selectively telegram other people - just TG everyone on page 1 - so if people are on the ball, the effect of a backlog is probably to bring more proposals to quorum... which causes a bigger backlog... and so it goes...

I still think it is a great time to *write* proposals and post the drafts here. :)

I still think it is a great time to *write* proposals and post the drafts here. :)

OOC: I agree. I have more time this week so I'm more able to help revise resolutions (which takes more time) rather than just point out what I see as their flaws. Pointing out the flaws is helpful, but I like to also help revise proposals when I have time. :)

I still think it is a great time to *write* proposals and post the drafts here. :)
It's much like the time when we didn't have any proposals reach quorum for about two weeks last year. Perfect time to work through your own ideas.

Looks like there's a Chipmunks resolution coming through - 'Repeal National Systems of Tax' - which will join the queue. Which will make them the first people to successfully legislate and repeal the same law.
And replace that resolution with a new one. Remember, I'm only repealing NSoT because I want to replace it with a little bit of a different one.

And it won't be the last time a resolution author repeals and replaces his or her own resolution, either. I'm planning on doing the same with the Nuclear Terrorism Act, later this year. The Global Library, earlier in the year, was also an example of an author trying to repeal and replace his resolution. It seemed Great Agnostica would have done so if he had the desire and know how of telegram campaigns to do it (thus, it was eventually repealed and replaced another group of people).

...it might be a perfect time to give yourselves a breather. Stop submitting proposals for a week or so, put your feet up, breathe in the cool air, and have a nice cold beer.

Actually, right now is a delegate orgy for proposal campaginers. There are at least 200 delegate approvals for each of the proposals in queue (all delegates who have demonstrated willingness to approve proposals when telegrammed--meaning telegramming them is much more likely to result in an approval than by just randomly telegramming delegates). And there's gauranteed to be a (sizable, too) "delegate votes" list for the next two, or possibly three, weeks. It might seem like there's a need now to slow down and stop the bottleneck, but it would be throwing away a lot of opportunity.

I still think it is a great time to *write* proposals and post the drafts here. :)
Can we still have beer?

Giordano,
UN representative,
The Black New World

Strangely (ironically?) two of the three in queue already face a serious threat of beingremoved. The Third World Water resolution may be in the wrong category, and the Bioweapons ban (in its current form) seems to conflict with the resolutions at vote. Odd...

Strangely (ironically?) two of the three in queue already face a serious threat of beingremoved. The Third World Water resolution may be in the wrong category, and the Bioweapons ban (in its current form) seems to conflict with the resolutions at vote. Odd...

The bioweapons ban certainly doesn't seem to conflict with the UNSA to us. It makes it quite clear in it's preamble that it considers bioweapons to not only be unnecessary for defending a nations security but hazardous to that security.

Not having a moderator opinion on that this close to the close of voting on the UNSA is making us a little anxious however.

The bioweapons ban certainly doesn't seem to conflict with the UNSA to us. It makes it quite clear in it's preamble that it considers bioweapons to not only be unnecessary for defending a nations security but hazardous to that security.
The resolution at vote says UN nations have the "right to construct and utilize any and all weapons that are necessary to defend their nation from attack". I'm not sure I see where the current bioweapons ban addresses bioweapons as being unnecessary to prevent attack. I see arguments that bioweapon "unpredictable and dangerous", and "an unacceptable risk to the safety of all nations". However, I do not see the connection of these to an argument of bioweapons' lack of necessity in "defend[ing]" a nation "from attack".

I could see valid arguments stemming for the ban of bioweapons and the pronunciation of their "unnecessity" from all of these points--and I don't think any of the points made are not clearly stated. I just don't see the connection in the resolution between what it states about bioweapons, and what it needs to state about a weapons type to be exempt from UNSA.

I'm not trying to hijack the thread or attack your proposal, I'm just expressing how I don't see an explicit statement of "unnecessity"

Not having a moderator opinion on that this close to the close of voting on the UNSA is making us a little anxious however.
I agree. Perhaps you should start a thread in moderation (with links to all the resolutions/proposals in question and to all your arguments for it being permissible), if you haven't already done so. Moderation topics are typically a lot more quickly responded to by mods than UN topics.

Strangely (ironically?) two of the three in queue already face a serious threat of beingremoved. The Third World Water resolution may be in the wrong category, and the Bioweapons ban (in its current form) seems to conflict with the resolutions at vote. Odd...

I believe I missed where the Bioweapons ban is being discussed for removal. Was that in that thread?

I believe I missed where the Bioweapons ban is being discussed for removal. Was that in that thread?

The current ruling is it will be removed if UNSA passes, however, Reformatia does have another legality plea (actually, two simultaneously) for it. The mods have 6 days still before they have to make their final decision - so hopefully they'll let it stay until the time is up....

I believe I missed where the Bioweapons ban is being discussed for removal. Was that in that thread?

I'm not sure. I believe it was mentioned once by a mod in either the UNSA thread, or the bioweapons thread. Perhaps I'm just remembering wrong and there never was a mod saying it was illegal.

Either way, I think it's cause for Reformentia to make his objections official in "Moderation"--or at least ask confirmation.

EDIT: after reading, Forgottenlands's post--he may already have started officical thread(s) in "Moderation"...I feel so out of the loop.

EDIT: after reading, Forgotten Lands's post--he may already have started officical thread(s) in "Moderation"...I feel so out of the loop.

I have... but it happened just now, after that post...

Yes, I shall be having a beer tonight. Several, in fact - living in London has been a tad... stressful, of late.

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