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Who do I enquire to about why a UN proposal was deleted? I checked the rules, and it said to direct them to "Enodia", but that player doesn't exist. I made a proposal that would establish olympic games, but it was erased (though proposals that would create compulsory drug use, mandate automatic assault weapons be given to babies, and break all sorts of other rules of both the UN and common sense were allowed to stay). I'm feeling somewhat prejudiced here.

I'd make a request on Moderation for clarification, if you feel it's needed, though you'll have to wait for a Game Moderator to show up. Usually, any proposal including real-life references, optionality, or delayed implementation (all NSUN resolutions need to go into effect the moment they pass, everywhere in the UN), will be deleted.

Keep in mind that "common sense rules" do not apply to the NSUN. At the risk of being extremely blunt, I would say that this point is readily evident. Unless a resolution either conflicts with another active resolution or otherwise violates the rules as they're spelled out in the rules sticky, they're fair game. I hold out hope, however, that a proposal giving guns to babies would not actually reach quorum, and barring that, it wouldn't pass.

it could have been because i proposed the games to take place on a particular date. (still, i really think it's strange that certain other proposals have been allowed to survive.) i thank you for offering your expertise.

it could have been because i proposed the games to take place on a particular date. (still, i really think it's strange that certain other proposals have been allowed to survive.) i thank you for offering your expertise.

You will also want to repost the text of your proposal as it was submitted.

The reference to Enodia probably was talking about the Enodian Protocols, though a moderator should have pointed you to a thread where you can read about those. I'll see about adding the link in this reply.

edit:
The current UN proposal rules are at:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=420465

Though I advocate players don't need to read everything, that thread is short and well written. The above thread is highly recommended reading. Feel free to ask questions about it. :)

Enodia was a game moderator in early 2004 whom wrote some of the best rules. He burned out and left the game in mid-2004. :( In honor of his hard work, the UN rules were called the Enodian Protocols, and the current "Gnome Guidelines" were developed using the Enodian Protocols.

just curious, what category did you put it under?

i classified it as free trade/commerce. none of the other categories made any more sense, and since it would be designed to improve relationships between countries and lots of money changes hands over these things, it seemed as logical a classification as any.

i classified it as free trade/commerce. none of the other categories made any more sense, and since it would be designed to improve relationships between countries and lots of money changes hands over these things, it seemed as logical a classification as any.

Olympics ... that is a hard category to pin down. Free Trade does make some sense.

Usually though you will want to specifically include one clause that is a classic NationStates category so the moderators can see that you are at least trying to move things in that direction.

In this case, maybe including your above justification in your preamble. Just talk about how your international games would reduce barriers to trade.

Look, I'm going to give you the blunt version: Olympic games are pretty much banned. You're not the first one to attempt the idea.

Here, this may help:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Olympic_Games_%28removed%29

This also means that, under that interpretation, pretty much all groups established by the UN throughout its history that are based on forums are technically illegal. I don't bring this up often because it would have been nice to know that back in October. It pretty much has remained mostly unadvertised up until recently.

Almost every Olympics proposal ever put forth has been deleted for rules violations. Believe me, plenty have been tried and failed. The problem generally revolves around requiring a certain frequency, basing it in a given region, having a thread devoted to it, building an International Committee to support it, or other similar meta-gaming violations. It also fails to fit any of our categories, as others have pointed out.

You wouldn't be introducing anything new, you just would be giving it UN sanction. I point you to the NationStates forum, where numerous NationStates Olympic Games have been held. Take a look at how it's already been done (search thread titles for "Olympics", you'll find plenty) and see if you can't refine it into something that will play here.

Post here before you submit to get all the bugs worked out. Trust me. You'll have bugs, no matter how hard you work on it. Everyone does.

your comments have all helped this newbie nation learn some of the rule nuances. i very much appreciate your time.

Ummmmm this is probably a stupid question but none of the posts addressed it so I may as well as (my apologies if I'm being stupid).
....You *do* know that all proposals have a cut-out date after which they're automatically deleted right?

Again, sorry if that's stupid =] just trying to help

The cut out date isn't within 24 hrs of posting - that's how one knows their proposal has been deleted.

Yeah, I think it's 72... but he doesn't state in the post how long the proposal was around for, so I thought I'd bring it up ^^ I just realised that I could've checked the post time lol >.< sorry

I, personally, would be surprised if anyone actually posted about the 72 time-limit being a "deletion" - A) it's well publicized, B) all noted resolutions before yours are deleted, C) it says on the bottom of your proposal that it'll get deleted at a certain time and date.

On a side note, I remember reading it through and (I think) I would've been reporting it today to my delegate but it has since disappeared off the UN topics list. However, an expectation that you should remember when and where each proposal was is bizarrely unreasonable :P

However, an expectation that you should remember when and where each proposal was is bizarrely unreasonable :P
Especially when you consider that what page a proposal is on can change due to mods deleting proposals in front of it.