NationStates Jolt Archive

Good day to you all! I'm here today to talk to y'all about the National Sovereignty Organization, a group dedicated to defending nation's rights through pro-sovereignty education and legislation. If you are fed up with the UN and/or want to see legislation that respects national sovereignty, this organization may be for you. We are especially looking for creative legislators and people willing to work for the cause, as well as regional delegates to approve pro-sovereignty proposals.

The NSO, in addition to having its own forum (http://s11.invisionfree.com/NatSovOrg/index.php?act=idx) has a place on the UN Organizations Forum (http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?act=idx) and an entry in the NSwiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/National_Sovereignty_Organization). Please read the material on these three sites before asking questions.

Please consider joining, and thank y'all for your time. :) If you have any questions not covered in any of the places above, feel free to ask.

Because Untoward Moths Propose

Greetings.

Brythain ultimately makes preparations.

And Roathin follows.

We have great interest in joining your organisation, having some experience in legislation and tortuous affairs of that ilk. We are also qualified as our signature states. Thank you.

Greetings.

Brythain ultimately makes preparations.

And Roathin follows.

We have great interest in joining your organisation, having some experience in legislation and tortuous affairs of that ilk. We are also qualified as our signature states. Thank you.

We would be glad to have you as a member of the organization, and our office looks forward to working with you in the future.

Deputy Minister of UN Affairs
Thomas Smith

Would anyone else like to join the NSO?

We are a relatively small nation and new to the UN, but We've looked with concern at many of the its resolutions, both passed and under consideration. We feel that a number of these conflict with the long-established cultural norms of Our nation. We would be interested in joining an organization dedicated to protecting the rights of minority cultures within the NS world.

And we'd be glad to have you as a member.

Hirota remains moderately undecided on the matter. We appreciate the need to respect and protect national sovereignty, but not at the expense of promoting just and right civil liberties.

A balance should be sought between the two to ensure that reasonable concerns for national sovereignty and civil liberties are balanced.

Much like Hirota, Enn is undecided about joining such an organisation. We regard human rights as paramount, going beyond national sovereignty, but on many other matters we see sovereignty as quite important.

[edit] Actually, change that. Enn will join the NSO. While we may have differing opinions on some matters, we doubt that this group will be opposed to dissent, by the very nature of the group.

(OOC: Just the thing to make NS a bit more interesting)

Darkumbria has been fighting this battle since it became a member of the UN. Indeed, it is nice to see a group that wishes to fight for the sovereignty of nations, instead of turning them into the states of the UN.

Darkumbria wishes to join this organization. Please telegram me with directions, that I might apply.

Thank you

Darkumbria has been fighting this battle since it became a member of the UN. Indeed, it is nice to see a group that wishes to fight for the sovereignty of nations, instead of turning them into the states of the UN.

Darkumbria wishes to join this organization. Please telegram me with directions, that I might apply.

Thank you

A telegram will be forthcoming, but all you really have to do is register on the forum. :)

In a more general note...

Thanks to Enn and The Eternal Kawaii for joining, and to Hirota for expressing his opinion politely and eloquently.

I am undecided. I don't really see a need to join anything like this at this moment in time, though if the occasion arises that I feel the need to join, I'll send you a TG

Hirota remains moderately undecided on the matter. We appreciate the need to respect and protect national sovereignty, but not at the expense of promoting just and right civil liberties.

A balance should be sought between the two to ensure that reasonable concerns for national sovereignty and civil liberties are balanced.

If it should matter, I've brought the request for applications forward to the Council of Mayors, whom are still deliberating. However, it was my own personal recommendation to my government that Mikitivity consider applying to the NSO as an observer nation and participate in many of the NSO debates and discussions for the reason your government has stated. There is a need to protect national sovereignty, but at the same time there are some issues that are largely domestic in nature that the international community should not ignore.

Based on my government's contact with members of the NSO, we've been very pleased to see that these nations actually share this opinion and remain strong proponents in many international areas.

OOC: It is most certainly worth lurking, and I too am considering joining the RPed group -- the debate is will Mikitivity be an observer or full member. I most certainly have seen some of the most thoughtprovoking and balanced arguments coming from some of the NSO founders and totally support them. :)

OOC: It is most certainly worth lurking, and I too am considering joining the RPed group -- the debate is will Mikitivity be an observer or full member. I most certainly have seen some of the most thoughtprovoking and balanced arguments coming from some of the NSO founders and totally support them. :)

OOC: And I certainly appreciate the support. We need all we can get. :)

I also have no problem with you signing up for lurking if that's what you want.

While the Psychotic Plurality, which includes the astondingly handsome people of Woogtopia, recognizes your ideals and vision; we are unable to join your organization due to it's very essence which is against all Woogtopia morals and laws. An example would be:

a group dedicated to defending nation's rights through pro-sovereignty education and legislation

Woogtopia knows that the only rights worth defending will be a reunification of all land masses under the glorious Woogtopian flag. We know that you might see this as an "Anti-sovereignty" stance; hence our decision to decline your invitation.

We in Woogtopia know it is only a matter of time before you recognize our brillance in our master plans. As we counquer the known universe, be apprised that the leaders of Woogtopia will look fondly towards your organization and leaders and will kindy keep their lymph nodes in their proper places.

All Hail Woogtopia! All Hail Minister Kwen Bon Chalupa, Leader of Drive-Thru Arts! All Hail Woogtopia!

I've just joined. ;)

:) I saw your post. Welcome aboard!

~Several DLE delegates are seen scurrying away from the building, carrying what looks like gas canisters with hoses.~

This group shall be interesting to watch. I'll have to keep an eye on it.

This group shall be interesting to watch.

That would make it a legal requirement for us to be, correct?

Good day to you all! I'm here today to talk to y'all about the National Sovereignty Organization, a group dedicated to defending nation's rights through pro-sovereignty education and legislation. If you are fed up with the UN and/or want to see legislation that respects national sovereignty, this organization may be for you. We are especially looking for creative legislators and people willing to work for the cause, as well as regional delegates to approve pro-sovereignty proposals.

The NSO, in addition to having its own forum (http://s11.invisionfree.com/NatSovOrg/index.php?act=idx) has a place on the UN Organizations Forum (http://s3.invisionfree.com/UN_Organizations/index.php?act=idx) and an entry in the NSwiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/National_Sovereignty_Organization). Please read the material on these three sites before asking questions.

Please consider joining, and thank y'all for your time. :) If you have any questions not covered in any of the places above, feel free to ask.


Motto of the NSO:

"I don't care what you have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I'm against it!
No matter who conceived or who commenced it,
I'm against it!"

(with all apologies to Groucho Marx)

"I don't care what you have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I'm against it!
No matter who conceived or who commenced it,
I'm against it!"[/center]


Well, if some people will never accept the nuanced actuality of the NSO, at least they'll have fun doing so.

Motto of the NSO:

"I don't care what you have to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I'm against it!
No matter who conceived or who commenced it,
I'm against it!"

(with all apologies to Groucho Marx)

Since you can't seem to avoid rudeness when making comments about the NSO, I implore you to show the restraint I've seen you show in other instances and refrain from further posting in this thread.

Bring Ugly Men Pie.

Having reviewed the discussions in the National Sovereignty Organization, the Confederated City States of Mikitivity is very pleased to announce that it will be an official observer to the organization, meaning it will actively follow NSO activities and offer its assistance whenever we believe that our opinion will be of assistance.

[OOC: Folks, I'm happy with what I see happening there, and would like to seriously encourage those of you with an interest in international roleplaying to at least lurk and bookmark the group. In fact, I think you'll be very impressed with what you see.]

My government has had a long ardous debate in a recent working group to determine where our interests lie on this matter.

After much consideration, we believe it is best to become a member of this group, although noting that we may well be more anti-national soverignty that many, for the reasons explained earlier.

Hirota thinks there must be a balance struck on this matter, and works actively towards bringing that balance into effect.

My government has had a long ardous debate in a recent working group to determine where our interests lie on this matter.

After much consideration, we believe it is best to become a member of this group, although noting that we may well be more anti-national soverignty that many, for the reasons explained earlier.

Hirota thinks there must be a balance struck on this matter, and works actively towards bringing that balance into effect.

We'd be glad to have another respected member and colleague on board. :)

I've noticed your earlier concerns about there being a lack of balance in terms of political ideology in the UN, and hopefully we can help address that in some way.

We in Woogtopia know it is only a matter of time before you recognize our brillance in our master plans.


We have visted the slums of your nation and find them a fitting place for ones such as you and wish to move a few of our people there as it would be a GRAVE improvement over where they currently reside... However we have also found favor with some areas of your trash dumps as they harbor the Big Red Willie Worm most suited for catching Foolfish.. a national dish served with Bullmonur and Kuick Tongue..

On the issue of support for this group feel the Garne will have to deal with them on a single issue bases and feel many of the issues we know they support we can support as well. We believe what happens in Garne stays here. If you don't like us or our laws stay home piss in your own pot not on us.... TexHod... will be checking out your group and if find we can work with you will get with you..

Woog, have another beer and lighten up... cause that's what I'm about to do...GW..

We'd be glad to have another respected member and colleague on board. :)

I've noticed your earlier concerns about there being a lack of balance in terms of political ideology in the UN, and hopefully we can help address that in some way.


I hope so - I'm not exactly a huge believer in soverignty over everything else, but I think there is a distinct imbalance in the UN at the moment and that needs to be rectified.

I'd hope if a balance was reached within the UN I would not need to participate in the organisation, but for now :)

After a minor discussion with the Emporer, I have been directed to join the organization. It is the Darkumbrian position that the nationalistic tendencies of this august body must be stopped. Indeed, the universe is a better place with NSO in place.

OOC: You like your nation as a free, individual power? Don't want to become a puppet state of the UN?? Join us. :)

The Federal Republic, acting on personal instructions from our president -- The Destructor from Del Fuego, Mexico, MANUELOOOOOOOOO FERRRRRRR-NANDA!! -- was pleased to submit its application to join this distinguished organization. We pray we can be accepted as a colleague.

The Government of ROADP is slightly alarmed at this newly formed "organization" and will be watching cautiously to make sure that the United Nations will not be undermined by this so called "National Sovereignity Organization."

Samantha Jones, Public Spokeswoman of ROADP

The Government of ROADP is slightly alarmed at this newly formed "organization" and will be watching cautiously to make sure that the United Nations will not be undermined by this so called "National Sovereignity Organization."

Samantha Jones, Public Spokeswoman of ROADP
"NEWLY FORMED" I've got news for you, we've been around longer than your nation has been in existance. And if you're worried about us undermining the UN, maybe you should take the time to read our mission statement before jumping to conclusions.

Mission Statement of the National Sovereignty Organization

The National Sovereignty Organization (the "NSO") aims to actively work to promote a respect of national sovereignty by the NationStates United Nations in the belief that this will lead to greater unity, tolerance, and understanding among the membership of said body.

The government believes that any issues or opinons can be discussed within the United Nations. It is curious that some nations need to establish another working body to influence the United Nations. I believe the United Nations provides a framework to discuss issues related to national soverignity. I question the loyatly or faith these member nations have towards the United Nations.

We do , however, apologize for the term "newly formed" being wrongfully directed to your organization.


Sincerely,
Samantha Jones, Public Spokeswoman of ROADP

The government believes that any issues or opinons can be discussed within the United Nations.And we believe that the UN should limit itself to those issues which are international in nature.
It is curious that some nations need to establish another body to influence the United Nations. I question the loyatly of these member nations have towards the United Nations.Look, I've been playing this game for over a year and a half and have been a UN member the entire time, and now I suddenly have some wet behind the ears punk, questioning my loyality to the UN. Apparently you fail to realize how many times I've thought about leaving the UN before my nation gets screwed over by the UN passing stupid proposals, but in all that time I never once left.

Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

And we believe that the UN should limit itself to those issues which are international in nature.
Look, I've been playing this game for over a year and a half and have been a UN member the entire time, and now I suddenly have some wet behind the ears punk, questioning my loyality to the UN. Apparently you fail to realize how many times I've thought about leaving the UN before my nation gets screwed over by the UN passing stupid proposals, but in all that time I never once left.

Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites


theres no need to resort to name calling.

theres no need to resort to name calling.
You should be glad I didn't resort to nukes.

Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

I am sure that would violate some U.N charters.

*smirks*

I am sure that would violate some U.N charters.

*smirks*
Bear in mind that the NSUN doesn't have a charter. Makes it fairly hard to violate it. :p

The government believes that any issues or opinons can be discussed within the United Nations. It is curious that some nations need to establish another working body to influence the United Nations. I believe the United Nations provides a framework to discuss issues related to national soverignity. I question the loyatly or faith these member nations have towards the United Nations.

We do , however, apologize for the term "newly formed" being wrongfully directed to your organization.


Sincerely,
Samantha Jones, Public Spokeswoman of ROADP

I have two suggestions:

First, why doesn't your government ask to be an observer to the NSO. Most of its policy discussions are public, and as an observer nation to the non-governmental organization, my government can vouch for the loyalty and faith in the UN of many of the NSO full-member states.

Second, if your government is interested in joining other international NGOs (or forming them), I have a few suggestions:

- Form a domestic United Nations Association (but you can call it whatever you like) and then have your domestic NGO join the UNA

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/United_Nations_Association

- Look for other NGOs (Groot Gouda of the International Democratic Union is planning to form a pro-democracy NGO which would work together to promote UN legislation that is pro-democracy and pro-human rights), if you telegram that nation, just tell them that Mikitivity mentioned their plans for a new organization and that you'd like to help

The Republic of BlueTiger feels the need to point something out.

As a part of the UN, all countires have the right to oppose a proposal they feel infringes of their soverenignty. They also have the right to drum up opposition to a proposal in the same way they would drum up support for one. Finally, if a proposal is passed, then a majorty of nations feels that it is the right thing to do, so any nation who feels the new bill infringes on their sovereignty, they must either leave the UN, accept the new bill, or attemt to repeal it.

The only problem in this system is if few countries care about other's sovereignty, in which case, this orginazation should be use to rasie awareness of this problem and attemt to fix it.

Although we feel that an organization to protect a nation's sovereignty is unnecessary, we are glad to see that when a UN nation feels threatned, they take action. We applaud this organization's initative.

Sincerely,

Allan Smith
BlueTiger's UN Representative

BlueTiger']The Republic of BlueTiger feels the need to point something out.

As a part of the UN, all countires have the right to oppose a proposal they feel infringes of their soverenignty. They also have the right to drum up opposition to a proposal in the same way they would drum up support for one. Finally, if a proposal is passed, then a majorty of nations feels that it is the right thing to do, so any nation who feels the new bill infringes on their sovereignty, they must either leave the UN, accept the new bill, or attemt to repeal it.

The only problem in this system is if few countries care about other's sovereignty, in which case, this orginazation should be use to rasie awareness of this problem and attemt to fix it.

Although we feel that an organization to protect a nation's sovereignty is unnecessary, we are glad to see that when a UN nation feels threatned, they take action. We applaud this organization's initative.

Sincerely,

Allan Smith
BlueTiger's UN Representative

Well said, Representative Smith. You saved me the trouble of saying essentially the same thing.

Why is resolution #113 (biological weapons ban) still on the books if resolution #110 (U.N. security act) basically deems it invalid?

Why is resolution #113 (biological weapons ban) still on the books if resolution #110 (U.N. security act) basically deems it invalid?
Because 113 includes a line stating that biological weapons are unnessacary for national defense which allows the UN to ban weapons even under the UNSA.

I suppose any weapon can still be banned by the U.N., so long as the legislation claims said weapon is "unnecessary for national defense"?

I suppose any weapon can still be banned by the U.N., so long as the legislation claims said weapon is "unnecessary for national defense"?
Unfortunately, that is the case.

Unfortunately, that is the case.
With the exception of nuclear weapons, those are also covered under my resolution, and in order to ban UN nations from possessing them my resolution would need to be repealed first.

Bob Flibble
UN Representative

Ausserland has just registered as a member of the NSO.

Our government believes that, when a nation joins the UN, it cedes a certain amount of its sovereignty to the larger body in the interest of the greater good. However, we also believe that certain resolutions adopted by the UN have made unwarranted intrusions into the sovereignty of member states and that the issue of national sovereignty has not always received the attention and intelligent discussion it deserves during debates. For that reason, we have joined the NSO and look forward to supporting its efforts.

By direction of His Royal Highness:

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Well, seeing as how the anti-sovereigntists have uncovered an important loophole in their struggle to impose their values on all member states, we probably should try and have 110 repealed and replaced by a stronger, loophole-free resolution. If such a proposal has even a prayer of passage in this august body.

Well, seeing as how the anti-sovereigntists have uncovered an important loophole in their struggle to impose their values on all member states, we probably should try and have 110 repealed and replaced by a stronger, loophole-free resolution. If such a proposal has even a prayer of passage in this august body.

It does if I write it, and I'm willing to take a more extreme route with the UNSA if necessary, but it'll piss a lot of people off and Forgottenlands may well try another campaign against it as well, a campaign I won't likely have the time to counter.

Ausserland has just registered as a member of the NSO.

Our government believes that, when a nation joins the UN, it cedes a certain amount of its sovereignty to the larger body in the interest of the greater good. However, we also believe that certain resolutions adopted by the UN have made unwarranted intrusions into the sovereignty of member states and that the issue of national sovereignty has not always received the attention and intelligent discussion it deserves during debates. For that reason, we have joined the NSO and look forward to supporting its efforts.

By direction of His Royal Highness:

Patrick T. Olembe
Minister for Foreign Affairs

Welcome to the NSO, sir!

Count me in!!

King JohnyChevy

Count me in!!

King JohnyChevy

I saw your registration, and you are hereby welcomed too. :)

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I was going to bump up reclaimation next, but can't find it.....