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With the passing of the Chemical Weapons Ban, the Holy Empire of Sidestreamer refuses to be forced to bow down and surrender to terrorist regimes outside the UN, and to maintain its security, will no longer remain in the United Nations.

Since I'm no longer an official within this chamber, I believe I can shed the formalities and be frank with my former comrades gathered here today.

You are a bunch of homoerotic, high-brow appeasniks! You stretch-limo fascists use the Weapon of Mass Liberalism known as the United Nations to force your stupidity down the throats of honest regimes who only wish to maintain their security!

YOU HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF OUR WORLDS! EVEN MORE FRIGHTENING, YOU LACK ANY BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROLE THE UN HAS OVER NON-UN MEMBERS... YOU ARE POWERLESS OVER THEM! When you forfeit your chemical weapons, they can use their own against us without reprocussions! What part of this do you latte-drinking, fish-fisting sons'a'bitches not get???

Those of you who backed the disarmaments will suffer in your own folly. My empire, however, will not take part in your pointless and suicidal regression into a theoretical socialist utopia.

Good day!

--Welsh
Former UN Ambassador

You are a bunch of homoerotic,"Homoerotic"? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

YOU HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF OUR WORLDS!The "average citizen" needs Sarin?

When you forfeit your chemical weapons, they can use their own against us without reprocussions! What part of this do you latte-drinking, fish-fisting sons'a'bitches not get???Damn. Coulda sworn they were allowed to destroy their stockpiles as opposed to giving them away.


UN Gnome in charge of Stuff & Nonsense

PS: How do you fist a fish? :confused:

We hereby claim all the UN offices and office space, and everything contained therein, of Sidestreamer. They have been seized and we have already started knocking down walls in our grand plan to turn them into the coolest rumpus room in the UN.

It will of course be open to all, for a nominal fee, which is to be donated to the charity of your choice. Requests for what sort of gear to install are being accepted.

The "average citizen" needs Sarin?

The average citizen's government should be allowed to fight fire with fire, and our chemical weapons will help our defenses significantly.


Damn. Coulda sworn they were allowed to destroy their stockpiles as opposed to giving them away.

Non-UN nations can still use their chemical weapons against others. What part of that don't you get?
PS: How do you fist a fish? :confused:

Ask those who voted for the dolphin-protection act. They're the ones who like tuna to such an extent.

We hereby claim all the offices, and everything contained therein, of Sidestreamer. They have been seized and we have already started knocking down walls in our grand plan to turn them into the coolest rumpus room in the UN.

It will of course be open to all, for a nominal fee, which is to be donated to the charity of your choice.

Our affiliates have claimed it in advance, fool.

The Peace Loving citizens of the Amalgamated Oceanic People's of Makatoto are sadenned by this, of course.

However, we politely request of Fass that we may have the guillotine and some Pritt Sticks. Our office is dreadfully dreary, and we're going to make some pretty sugar paper shapes to go on the walls to cheer the place up. Lacking the corect equipment is hindering our progress currently.

Our affiliates have claimed it in advance, fool.

First come, first serve. The claim has to be made public in this forum.

So, all your office are belong to us! We have set you up the bomb. :p

However, we politely request of Fass that we may have the guillotine and some Pritt Sticks. Our office is dreadfully dreary, and we're going to make some pretty sugar paper shapes to go on the walls to cheer the place up. Lacking the corect equipment is hindering our progress currently.

Guillotines are acceptable, but they must not be used for executions. Our policy on the total ban on any sort of capital punishment on soil/space claimed by Fass precludes such usage. Pritt Sticks all around, though!

PS: How do you fist a fish? :confused:

I would explain it to you, but I really don't want to be banned. Let's just say a good google search will answer that question. Still, it would have to be a rather large fish.

With the passing of the Chemical Weapons Ban, the Holy Empire of Sidestreamer refuses to be forced to bow down and surrender to terrorist regimes outside the UN, and to maintain its security, will no longer remain in the United Nations.

The smart poster would have stopped here. The suicidal poster would have continued.

Since I'm no longer an official within this chamber, I believe I can shed the formalities and be frank with my former comrades gathered here today.

Yep. This shall be interesting.

You are a bunch of homoerotic, high-brow appeasniks! You stretch-limo fascists use the Weapon of Mass Liberalism known as the United Nations to force your stupidity down the throats of honest regimes who only wish to maintain their security!

So, in other words, we're all gay, enjoy appeasing people, are extremely rich, are all of the same political regime while spreading the opposite regime using missiles, and are both stupid and actively trying to eliminate all forms of military defense?

Personally, I find homoerotica has no place in the UN, but if you are that interested in it, know that my brothel in the UN building sells some. Check it out sometime. Personally, I advise starting with shonen-ai, but if you wish you can skip straight to the hardcore items.

YOU HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN OF OUR WORLDS! EVEN MORE FRIGHTENING, YOU LACK ANY BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROLE THE UN HAS OVER NON-UN MEMBERS... YOU ARE POWERLESS OVER THEM! When you forfeit your chemical weapons, they can use their own against us without reprocussions! What part of this do you latte-drinking, fish-fisting sons'a'bitches not get???

Ya know, I really object to that piece of sexism you have posted there. How dare you only insult the male members of the forum! How are the women supposed to build a proper rage to use for tearing you limb from limb when you so openly ignore us!

As for lattes: Personally, I find they taste better with just a mild bit of Type O mixed in. But, that's just me.

I have one question though: How big are the fish you are talking about?

Oh, to help celebrate your independence, we've sent several of our "EbolaAIDS Special" fireworks to you, which will explode over your nation. Have a nice life!

Those of you who backed the disarmaments will suffer in your own folly. My empire, however, will not take part in your pointless and suicidal regression into a theoretical socialist utopia.

Yes, we know. Any minute, your going away presents should be arriving.

Good day!

Oh, it will indeed be a good day.

The average citizen's government should be allowed to fight fire with fire, and our chemical weapons will help our defenses significantly.Except that you said "average citizen" not "the average citizen's government". Besides, chemical weapons are woefully inefficient and really a waste of money in the first place.

Non-UN nations can still use their chemical weapons against others. What part of that don't you get?Yes, because chemical weapons are used so much every day.

Oh, wait...

Ask those who voted for the dolphin-protection act. They're the ones who like tuna to such an extent.Oh, right, this nonsense.

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Cetacea
Family: Delphinidae
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Actinopterygii
Order: Perciformes
Family: Scombridae
Genus: Thunnus

Right. Dolphins are tuna because they share the same phylum. By that logic, humans and dogs are "tuna" too. Indeed, anything with a spine is a tuna.

I'm sure you will be missed, tuna.

UN Gnome, feeling rather fishy.

Remember: I get the paperclips.

Fass, would you mind sending Sidestreamer's staff to my brothel? I'll cut you in for a share of the profits they'll make by working there.

You are a bunch of homoerotic,Oh, absolutely dar-ling ! :p

Except that you said "average citizen" not "the average citizen's government". Besides, chemical weapons are woefully inefficient and really a waste of money in the first place.

Yes, because chemical weapons are used so much every day.

Oh, wait...

Oh, right, this nonsense.




Right. Dolphins are tuna because they share the same phylum. By that logic, humans and dogs are "tuna" too. Indeed, anything with a spine is a tuna.

I'm sure you will be missed, tuna.

UN Gnome, feeling rather fishy.

Fool! The scientific name for what you call a "Dolphin" is actually the "porpoise!" The real dolphin is:

Kingdom: Anamilia
phylum: Chordata
subphylum: Vertebrata
class: Osteichthyes
order: Perciformes
family: Coryphaenidae
genus: Coryphaena
species: hipparus

It occurs to me that we may need a topic detailing what each nation sells while being members of the UN, as well as the various NPC shops.

Smoke. Less. Crack.

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Cetacea
Family: Phocoenidae

Dolphins are certain aquatic mammals related to whales and porpoises. The name is from Ancient Greek δελφίς delphis meaning "with a womb", viz. "a 'fish' with a womb".

Hey, Sidestreamer delegation? Please close the door on the way out this time and take all your junk with you. You see, the last whining juvenille who resigned left the door open and now our AC bill is huge. Also, could ya do us one last favour and take all the other whiny juvenille UN delegates with ya? It would just cut down on costs for new, pointless UN threads. Yeah, that'd be great. Thanks.

Fass, would you mind sending Sidestreamer's staff to my brothel? I'll cut you in for a share of the profits they'll make by working there.

Sure, they have all been presented with this option, and most have accepted. It seems they were whoring themselves for a lot more unscrupulous purposes under Sidestreamer, so your brothel will prove to be a nice respite. We do not need the funds, so please do donate our share of the profit to a charity. Our favourite one is the Association for the Advancement of Buggery.

Remember: I get the paperclips.

A 30 metre long paperclip "cord" has been delivered to your primary office.

First come, first serve. The claim has to be made public in this forum.

OOC: And I'm pretty sure Sidestreamer was the “first come” as his staff's been the tenant of the office for months now, and it can be safely assumed that they're still occupying it while you attempt to pilfer it. You might send someone up there trying to get stuff, and see how he responds (or see if he even--perfectly validly--ignores it), but you can't just declare "what happens" and what you take from the office. That's godmodding, declaring losses.

Besides, Sidestreamer has long said that he'd keep a puppet in the UN--which would take his old office--which means that the office is and has always been occupied with Sidestreamer-affiliated UN personnel. I really don't see how something so clearly Sidestreamer-controlled is declared "free game", or "first come, first serve", how just anyone can declare its losses or decide its fate.

Those of you who backed the disarmaments will suffer in your own folly. My empire, however, will not take part in your pointless and suicidal regression into a theoretical socialist utopia.

IC: Arnaen re-read his note to the Sidestreamer delegation: Welsh,

Not all of us here supported the chemical weapons ban, and not everyone here is interested in "a theoretical socialist utopia": I trust that you will make contact with national-rights-friendly nations with your new UN affiliate.

My condolences, congratulations, and best wishes,He signed, applying his pen-full of "UN-red" ink more than generously, and slipped the note in the prepared fruit basket. He then called for an orderly so it could make it to the post.

Sure, they have all been presented with this option, and most have accepted. It seems they were whoring themselves for a lot more unscrupulous purposes under Sidestreamer, so your brothel will prove to be a nice respite. We do not need the funds, so please do donate our share of the profit to a charity. Our favourite one is the Association for the Advancement of Buggery.

Thanks. Willing employees will make this job easier. Though, the last set finally stopped trying to escape.

Now, what are you going to do with his desk? I suggest burning it, as I recently imported termites and set them loose on that floor.

OOC: And I'm pretty sure Sidestreamer was the “first come” as his staff's been the tenant of the office for months now, and it can be safely assumed that they're still occupying it while you attempt to pilfer it.

One quits the UN, one's staff at the UN offices is rendered unemployed and as such has no rights to hold offices.

You might send someone up there trying to get stuff, and see how he responds (or see if he even--perfectly validly--ignores it), but you can't just declare "what happens" and what you take from the office. That's godmodding, declaring losses.

Sidestreamer no longer being a UN member has no say in what happens in the UN, especially not to the offices. It is not our fault they forgot to bring all their stuff with them. The former staff of Sidestreamer has been very cooperative in helping us get settled and converting the offices to our planned rumpus room, in exchange for new employment either with us or DLE's brothel.

Besides, Sidestreamer has long said that he'd keep a puppet in the UN--which would take his old office--which means that the office is and has always been occupied with Sidestreamer-affiliated UN personnel. I really don't see how something so clearly Sidestreamer-controlled is declared "free game", or "first come, first serve", how just anyone can declare its losses or decide its fate.

Sidestreamer cannot control anything in the UN when not a member in it. New members have to apply for offices, or seize them, like everybody else. They cannot be inherited, as they are no longer the property of Sidestreamer. Non-UN members have no rights to dictate what happens in the UN.

So, Sidestreamer's puppets can just get in line like any other new member. Sidestreamer should have thought of transferral of property before they resigned.

I'd have suggested putting a mattress pad on it and making a "theme" room, for people who want to boff in an office environment. Oh well. Snooze/lose and all that.

OOC: I do remember embarassing myself thouroughly in a restaurant by my ignorance that the term "dolphin" is also used to describe an actual fish, and not a cetatcean. (There was "dolphin" on the menu, and I expressed my extreme umbrage, only to be smacked down by the wait staff. This, I beleive was in Canada, and not the US, so I plead "Ugly Ignorant American")

Now, what are you going to do with his desk? I suggest burning it, as I recently imported termites and set them loose on that floor.

Termites, you say? Hopefully they all expired during our fumigation and sanitization of the offices. Sidestreamers are not exactly known for their love of hygiene, so we of course had to take precautions.

The materials of the desk have been recycled and make very nice toothpicks. In its place we have installed a snooker/pool table, it being one of our national sports and all.

New members have to apply for offices, or seize them, like everybody else.

~Coughs, trying not to draw attention to the fact the top floor was added to the UN building by the DLE delegation when the nation was accepted into the UN~

Termites, you say? Hopefully they all expired during our fumigation and sanitization of the offices. Sidestreamers are not exactly known for their love of hygiene, so we of course had to take precautions.

Should be. Unlike our collection of bumble bees, those were your garden-variety Earth termites.

The materials of the desk have been recycled and make very nice toothpicks. In its place we have installed a snooker/pool table, it being one of our national sports and all.

Should be interesting. May have to give the place a visit.

~Coughs, trying not to draw attention to the fact the top floor was added to the UN building by the DLE delegation when the nation was accepted into the UN~

We counted that as a form of seizure, as we do with most things DLE.

Unfortunately, if the valets (who also run the illegal slave ring) get their way, the top four floors of the building will be removed. Apparently, the top of the UN building is increasing the amount by which the Earth's rotation is slowing down due to how far up into the atmosphere they go.

I'll trade Fass a filing cabinet, a UN ashtray and a doorstop for the picture of the Sidestreamer Head of State.

I think it will make a useful dartboard...

One quits the UN, one's staff at the UN offices is rendered unemployed and as such has no rights to hold offices.
Even if Sidestreamer has no rights to hold the office itself (not even mentioning the puppet that's come in and replaced him, and their rights to hold the office), he still has rights to hold on to his property and citizens--any attempt to decide the fate (declare losses) of his property or staff by anyone but Sidestreamer would be a godmod. I would personally assume that anything of his was moved out before you arrived (including staff), and that the new puppet government has moved in--UN member and with full rights to decide the fate of its property--and has not allowed your nation to take anything. I think that assumption regarding what happened has just as much validity as yours.


Sidestreamer no longer being a UN member has no say in what happens in the UN, especially not to the offices. It is not our fault they forgot to bring all their stuff with them. The former staff of Sidestreamer has been very cooperative in helping us get settled and converting the offices to our planned rumpus room, in exchange for new employment either with us or DLE's brothel.

-snip-

So, Sidestreamer's puppets can just get in line like any other new member. Sidestreamer should have thought of transferral of property before they resigned.

I really don't see where all these suppositions of Sidestreamer not having done anything (not having moved out his property, staff, not having transferred the office to his puppet before moving out, etc.) are coming from. Not everything has to be explicitly stated by Sidestreamer (or one could have asked how the pullout/transfer would be taking place...) for it to be in the RP. I mean, just because you don't explicitly state that your UN staff have working lungs doesn't mean that I can say "They die because their respiratory system fails. You should've hired staff that didn't have terminal cases of emphysema..." The absence of information is not a license to make it up. I usually don't care about this sort of joking around about paper clips and desks and such. But Sidestreamer has made it perfectly clear in the past that he would have a UN puppet in the UN should he resign, he's been planning and preparing for a transfer/pullout of the building, and that he's interested in discussion of the UN's faults--not godmodding about where his desk goes.

The jokes about captive or be-elevatored staff or stolen office supplies during UN resignations seem based on the assumption that the nation resigning won't come back to the UN forum and refute such declarations of his or her losses--which makes their godmod acceptable, if somewhat sloppy. But that is not the case, here. Sidestreamer has stated an interest in coming back (by puppet or nation proper), and has posted again and again in teh thread, and as such, I just feel it should be pointed out that it's godmodding and Sidestreamer would have every right to ignore or entirely refute it.

And "the rules" about how offices are transferred, or how new UN nations get offices (whether or not they can be inherited)--if it's really going to be RPed--would probably be decided by the nation that is housing the UN building (I'm not sure which nation that is now), not by just anyone who works there (me, you, Sidestreamer, etc.).

Even if Sidestreamer has no rights to hold the office itself (not even mentioning the puppet that's come in and replaced him, and their rights to hold the office), he still has rights to hold on to his property and citizens--any attempt to decide the fate (declare losses) of his property or staff by anyone but Sidestreamer would be a godmod. I would personally assume that anything of his was moved out before you arrived (including staff), and that the new puppet government has moved in--UN member and with full rights to decide the fate of its property--and has not allowed your nation to take anything. I think that assumption regarding what happened has just as much validity as yours.

Was any of that given any sort of mention upon their leaving? No. The things you mention would all seem to be post hoc inventions by either you or Sidestreamer because they were negligent in their move and acted like an attention whore in this silly "I'm leaving, so there, you fags" disgrace of a thread. That, and nothing else in this thread, would be godmoding; refusing to pay the price of one's attention-whoring with post hoc inventions through puppet-wanking.

The rest of your post was just rehashing of the same sort of godmoding you, so hypocritically, try to accuse other people of. Doesn't fool anyone one bit.

But that is not the case, here. Sidestreamer has stated an interest in coming back (by puppet or nation proper), and has posted again and again in teh thread, and as such, I just feel it should be pointed out that it's godmodding and Sidestreamer would have every right to ignore or entirely refute it.Perhaps if he hadn't been so... abrasive about it, the responce would be different.

Furthermore, to claim that his UN puppet gets all the staff, housing, etc. of the previous nation would be a flavor of puppet-wanking, so he's out of luck on both accounts, I'd say.

OOC: I do remember embarassing myself thouroughly in a restaurant by my ignorance that the term "dolphin" is also used to describe an actual fish, and not a cetatcean. That would be the "dolphinfish". Which is probably what Sidestreamer was yammering about too.

2 : either of two active pelagic bony food fishes (genus Coryphaena of the family Coryphaenidae) of tropical and temperate seas -- called also dolphinfishBefore he claims victory, however, I'd like to point out that the primary definition is that of the toothed whale. The definition that most people use.

Of course, if we want to be stupid with our less common definitions, we can use this one:

4 : a spar or buoy for mooring boats; also : a cluster of closely driven piles used as a fender for a dock or as a mooring or guide for boats

No hunting of buoys!

Okay, now I'm beginning to get annoyed.

Even if Sidestreamer has no rights to hold the office itself (not even mentioning the puppet that's come in and replaced him, and their rights to hold the office), he still has rights to hold on to his property and citizens--any attempt to decide the fate (declare losses) of his property or staff by anyone but Sidestreamer would be a godmod. I would personally assume that anything of his was moved out before you arrived (including staff), and that the new puppet government has moved in--UN member and with full rights to decide the fate of its property--and has not allowed your nation to take anything. I think that assumption regarding what happened has just as much validity as yours.

Okay, a quick question before I begin: You said you were leaving the UN because I am posting here. Well, I'm still posting here, and I haven't changed much since last we met. And, no, mentioning the past is not doing anything wrong.

The assumption Fass posted has more validity due to two facts: One, it is backed up by a moderator decision. Two, Fass is a regular on this forum and knows how things operate. And, IIRC, this is not the first time Sidestreamer has lost their office and all property inside. Not even regulars of the forum, such as myself, are immune to this.

I really don't see where all these suppositions of Sidestreamer not having done anything (not having moved out his property, staff, not having transferred the office to his puppet before moving out, etc.) are coming from. Not everything has to be explicitly stated by Sidestreamer (or one could have asked how the pullout/transfer would be taking place...) for it to be in the RP. I mean, just because you don't explicitly state that your UN staff have working lungs doesn't mean that I can say "They die because their respiratory system fails. You should've hired staff that didn't have terminal cases of emphysema..." The absence of information is not a license to make it up.

Sidestreamer had one post in which to take care of all aspects of their office and legacy. They failed to do so. Then, their property becomes open for grabbing and their staff switch to uncontrolled NPCs. No matter the nation, all can suffer it. You don't see me bitching because I lost my office.

I usually don't care about this sort of joking around about paper clips and desks and such. But Sidestreamer has made it perfectly clear in the past that he would have a UN puppet in the UN should he resign, he's been planning and preparing for a transfer/pullout of the building, and that he's interested in discussion of the UN's faults--not godmodding about where his desk goes.

UN puppets are separate nations. It's just like how someone, once they lose their main nation, cannot delegate founder powers of a region to a puppet.

The jokes about captive or be-elevatored staff or stolen office supplies during UN resignations seem based on the assumption that the nation resigning won't come back to the UN forum and refute such declarations of his or her losses--which makes their godmod acceptable, if somewhat sloppy. But that is not the case, here. Sidestreamer has stated an interest in coming back (by puppet or nation proper), and has posted again and again in teh thread, and as such, I just feel it should be pointed out that it's godmodding and Sidestreamer would have every right to ignore or entirely refute it.

Sidestreamer has no more right to refute it than I had to refute the loss of property with my previous incarnation. The way things work in this case are not going to change just because a nonmember and a visitor don't like them.

And "the rules" about how offices are transferred, or how new UN nations get offices (whether or not they can be inherited)--if it's really going to be RPed--would probably be decided by the nation that is housing the UN building (I'm not sure which nation that is now), not by just anyone who works there (me, you, Sidestreamer, etc.).

These rules have been set in place by the regulars of the forum over the past few months. They have not changed all that much since the start of this year and are not likely to change at all within the next six months. They are what they are, and you can either accept them or waste all of our time on a futile attempt to change them. You may not like these rules, but they are the rules pretty much universally agreed-upon by the forum regulars, with one notable exception who is working on a unique case in another topic that deals with similar events.

Hey! First, some of us go far beyond homoerotic. In Krioval, nearly one in five citizens are homosexual males. May explain why we're inundated with missives from the Sidestreamer ambassador, actually. As for the office, its ownership was voided when its owner resigned from the UN. We all know that UN offices are the domain of the UN, not necessarily the nation who occupies them. Oh. The fruit basket was intercepted by Kriovalian intelligence agents who selflessly tested every item carefully before clearing it to its intended recipient. Please note that those aren't really bite marks - it just looks that way.

~ Yuri Sokolev

I'd like to take this opportunity to express my displeasure at the fact that everything was divvied up while I was asleep.:mad:

The jokes about captive or be-elevatored staff or stolen office supplies during UN resignations seem based on the assumption that the nation resigning won't come back to the UN forum and refute such declarations of his or her losses--which makes their godmod acceptable, if somewhat sloppy.

I completely agree with the Powerhungry Chipmunks.

The "jokes" are based on that assumption. It is not a correct assumption to make. This is a FACT I've pointed out before, but escapes all but experienced players. *sigh*

My honest advice to anybody reading the "[X] resigns from the UN", is to not respond.

Instead, if you are miffed that somebody just implied the UN is full of people that are fisting fish (which ironically is possible ... go to a salmon hatchery ... they are incredibly gross though) for God's sake, let is pass. Take the higher road! Don't feed the trolls.

Calling everybody in the UN idiots is ~boardline~ forum trollbaiting, i.e. a post made to anger players in general. And you all are falling for it. I've actually watched moderators issue *warnings* for players whom *respond to* trollbait and make matters worse. (The trolls have been forum banned, which seems to be a worse sentence.)

Responding to UN trollbait and killing people or stealing their office supplies is ~boardline~ flamebaiting, i.e. a post made to anger a _specific_ player. And a number of you are doing this.


I just know somebody is going to point out that Hack, a moderator responded, so why can't we. First, let Hack and the other mods police these threads. Hack responded so we don't have to! That is what MODERATION is about. They aren't supposed to be cops, but they are supposed to be the NationStates forum cooling rods.

They will lock threads (and some of you need to take the HINT when this is done to you frequently), unofficially warn people, and distract people when it is clear that things are in the downward spiral.

Let them do their job and focus on why you are here in the first place: to engage in either a diplomatic roleplay (not a shopping trip through Office Max) or to actually get dirty and help UN newbies write better resolutions. :)

Second, Hack and the other mods put up with loads of crap we don't see. They _do_ go through the proposal queue and read / remove some really stupid ideas. There are things that go on in this game that we don't see, because they *have* done the dirty work to clean things up for us.

They are just as miffed about trollbaiting posts as we are. They just aren't going to talk about it on forum. They see trollbaiting and flames far more often than we do. And as such, they'll always be better equipped to respond. But I'll cut much more slack for a moderator trying to do his or her job, than a player whom is making matters worse by encouraging trolling and responding via flamebaiting, techwanking, or godmodding.

If people want to vent and be silly, go to the Stranger's Bar. Was it Enodia who created that thread? It is so long I can't remember if it was Enodia, Tactical Grace, or another former moderator who created it long before many of you joined NationStates. But the point of the thread was to set up an open roleplay zone for silly threads. Use it and stop feeding the trolls.

Okay, a quick question before I begin: You said you were leaving the UN because I am posting here.
I seem to remember reading that someplace. Now, to the matter at hand. Yelda claims the refrigerator and all ashtrays. We'll also be taking the towels.

I seem to remember reading that someplace. Now, to the matter at hand. Yelda claims the refrigerator and all ashtrays. We'll also be taking the towels.

We've already claimed everything. We could sell you the fridge, ashtrays and towels, though.

We've already claimed everything. We could sell you the fridge, ashtrays and towels, though.
DOH! This is what I get for sleeping late. O.K. name your price.

DOH! This is what I get for sleeping late. O.K. name your price.

Donate 100 Fassian Kronas to the Association for the Advancement of Buggery, and they are all yours!

The "jokes" are based on that assumption. It is not a correct assumption to make. This is a FACT I've pointed out before, but escapes all but experienced players. *sigh*

Unfortunately, we have come to an issue. We have a mod who is effectively saying the opposite, even going as far as to back certain assumptions about ownership in relation to puppets. So far, you're the only forum regular who has taken issue with it at this point.

My honest advice to anybody reading the "[X] resigns from the UN", is to not respond.

Instead, if you are miffed that somebody just implied the UN is full of people that are fisting fish (which ironically is possible ... go to a salmon hatchery ... they are incredibly gross though) for God's sake, let is pass. Take the higher road! Don't feed the trolls.

Not responding has failed. Instead of getting the problem go away, as I had hoped, it has instead increased to becomming a more frequently used tactic. Under the current pattern of spread, the infection will only continue to get worse if nothing is done. At this point, I would say that doing nothing is not an option, as the leaving portion is perfectly legal.

Calling everybody in the UN idiots is ~boardline~ forum trollbaiting, i.e. a post made to anger players in general. And you all are falling for it. I've actually watched moderators issue *warnings* for players whom *respond to* trollbait and make matters worse. (The trolls have been forum banned, which seems to be a worse sentence.)

We have a mod on this forum who has posted in many of these topics. That mod could easily command us to stop if it was really a problem. All it takes is a single sentence.

Responding to UN trollbait and killing people or stealing their office supplies is ~boardline~ flamebaiting, i.e. a post made to anger a _specific_ player. And a number of you are doing this.

Got a mod ruling to back it?

I just know somebody is going to point out that Hack, a moderator responded, so why can't we. First, let Hack and the other mods police these threads. Hack responded so we don't have to! That is what MODERATION is about. They aren't supposed to be cops, but they are supposed to be the NationStates forum cooling rods.

Hack's first response was to secure paper clips, and the second was to tell Powerhungry Chipmunks that we might have reacted differently had the post been different and that Sidestreamer keeping the office would be a form of puppet wank. Neither post indicates a case of discouraging our actions, viewing our actions as out of line, or stepping in to deal with it so that we don't have to.

They will lock threads (and some of you need to take the HINT when this is done to you frequently), unofficially warn people, and distract people when it is clear that things are in the downward spiral.

Of which, any one of those likely ends the entire thing.

Let them do their job and focus on why you are here in the first place: to engage in either a diplomatic roleplay (not a shopping trip through Office Max) or to actually get dirty and help UN newbies write better resolutions. :)

I'm currently in the middle of a resolution case myself, in addition to my normal activities on here. This is merely a temporary distraction from that.

Second, Hack and the other mods put up with loads of crap we don't see. They _do_ go through the proposal queue and read / remove some really stupid ideas. There are things that go on in this game that we don't see, because they *have* done the dirty work to clean things up for us.

An example typically helps a point in this case. I would point out the porn picture troll from earlier today. I'm still a bit queasy from it.

They are just as miffed about trollbaiting posts as we are. They just aren't going to talk about it on forum. They see trollbaiting and flames far more often than we do. And as such, they'll always be better equipped to respond. But I'll cut much more slack for a moderator trying to do his or her job, than a player whom is making matters worse by encouraging trolling and responding via flamebaiting, techwanking, or godmodding.

And the mods also handle those who are overzealous enough to attempt mod actions on their own on a daily basis. In addition, they help determine what is acceptable and what isn't. Considering this is an activity going on for months and, even with a mod posting on it, the only actions against it at this time are nonmod arguements, I would say it is acceptable until it is ruled otherwise, as long as it doesn't cross certain boundaries.

If people want to vent and be silly, go to the Stranger's Bar. Was it Enodia who created that thread? It is so long I can't remember if it was Enodia, Tactical Grace, or another former moderator who created it long before many of you joined NationStates. But the point of the thread was to set up an open roleplay zone for silly threads. Use it and stop feeding the trolls.

The bar itself has evolved quite a bit since then. Besides, there is a point behind these activities, a point that deals directly with the problem created. I believe I have brought it up before.

Oh, bonus points if you point out three arguement fallacies used during this post.

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Done. Are the towels clean?

Done. Are the towels clean?

Dry cleaned this morning.

We have a mod on this forum who has posted in many of these topics. That mod could easily command us to stop if it was really a problem. All it takes is a single sentence.
I've locked plenty of these resignation threads, often with more than a sentence. I've also posted in them on occasion. They usually end up being flamey and spammy, just like this one.

Are they forbidden? No.
Are they encouraged? No.
Is it a bit of harmless fun? Sometimes.
Will a mod lock this one too? Yes.

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