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The General Assembly,


CONFUSED BY the nature of Resolution #5, “DVD region removal,” in both concept and structure,

NOTING that there are certain rules of spelling and grammar that have been breached by this resolution,

REPEALS Resolution #5, which seeks to prevent citizens of one region from watching DVDs from another.

The grammar and spelling are bad, but there's no reason to repeal it. The resolution obviously forces the removal of region-encoding on DVDs; I don't see where you're getting that it prevents citizens of one region from watching DVDs from another.

I'm taking that directly from the text, minus the typo.

I want to repeal this act because it confuses, and it does not even apply to some nation, ex. a medieval type nation or a nation that now uses holographic images or something of the sort.

I can't even imagine how this proposal made it to the floor.

The text says, The removal of regions in DVD's that prevent a user from one region watching the DVD's form another. I still don't understand why you think this means that the resolution makes it so that people can't watch DVDs from other regions. It's obvious that, despite the otherwise poor grammar, the verb "prevent" goes with the noun "regions" and not "removal". Otherwise it would say, The removal of regions in DVD's, that prevents a user from one region watching the DVD's form another. Which wouldn't make any sense at all, since it's the regions themselves that prevent the users from watching DVDs, and not the removal of regions.

Okay... if it's that obvious, I'll rephrase the proposal. I just don't want this resolution affecting all the nations in the UN in such a ridiculous way.

Are you saying you would not support the repeal of this resolution?

No, I would not.

Well, your nation is free to consider things independently. However, I would refer you to the rules, which state that if a fairly bright person has to spend "a good chunk of time" figuring out what the proposal means, then that proposal should be vetoed.

I am fairly bright, despite what you may believe, and I still have not figured out what the resolution means.

Well, your nation is free to consider things independently. However, I would refer you to the rules, which state that if a fairly bright person has to spend "a good chunk of time" figuring out what the proposal means, then that proposal should be vetoed.And would you care to point out where this is stated in the rules.

I am fairly bright, despite what you may believe, and I still have not figured out what the resolution means.
Basically it means that in NS there are no region codes on DVDs, at least not on those DVDs produced in UN member nations.

Okay, I've read it over about 15 times and now I understand it: regional coding on DVDs is prohibited by this resolution.

However... I failed to notice the regional coding in my region or any other on DVDs. In fact, most of the nations in my region do not carry DVDs. So how is this resolution pertinent to the nations in the UN?

And would you care to point out where this is stated in the rules.

I'd be glad to.

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...Unfortunately, NS is a game in English. If you cannot compose in proper English, seek the help of somebody (hint-hint, run it through an online translator and post here for clean-up). A Proposal won't be nuked for the occasional typo, but if I have to spend a good chunk of time trying to figure out what's going on, it'll be nuked.

However, I would refer you to the rules, which state that if a fairly bright person has to spend "a good chunk of time" figuring out what the proposal means, then that proposal should be vetoed. No, the rules state that if I have to spend a good chunk of time figuring out what it means, I delete it.

I've never had any difficulty figuring out what DVD region removal means, and frankly am a little surprized that so many people (aparently) do.

I'm not quite sure why I'm being antagonized so fiercely... I simply wish to get rid of a resolution that a) does not apply to all regions b) is very obscure.

I'm not quite sure why I'm being antagonized so fiercely...You think this is being antagonized.http://bak42.notworksafe.com/images/NationStates/Smilies/laugh.gifhttp://bak42.notworksafe.com/images/NationStates/Smilies/laugh.gifhttp://bak42.notworksafe.com/images/NationStates/Smilies/laugh.gif
I simply wish to get rid of a resolution that a) does not apply to all regions b) is very obscure.I must disagree with the "obscure" designation after all you're the only person I can remember seeing that has had trouble figuring out what the resolution does.

I'm talking about "obscure" as in: who cares about DVD region coding? If you do, I'm glad for your sake that the proposal passed...

Also, yes. I do think "this is being antagonized." And I do not think that's particularly funny...

Also, yes. I do think "this is being antagonized." And I do not think that's particularly funny...
Actually I was laughing because compared to some of the antagonization I've seen on this forum in the past, what you've experienced is nothing.

I realize that's why you were laughing...

But hey, I'm new. Being opposed by practically everyone feels like heavy antagonization to me...

I realize that's why you were laughing...

But hey, I'm new. Being opposed by practically everyone feels like heavy antagonization to me...

I do agree that some of the regulars can be a tad harsh on newer nations on here. Sometimes it's warranted, most of the time it is not.

But, what you have to be aware of is the fact that you cannot expect to change the UN overnight - especially when you are a new arrival to the UN. Heck, I've been here a while and I don't think I have the influence to change the UN to suit my aims and hopes. It's too big a body for one nation - big or small to change.

But please don't take their badgering personally Sparren - I suspect it is because most nations are tired of newer nations trying to change everything overnight to suit their aims. It tends to grate on their manners.

Your repeal draft shows a sound understanding of some of the UN workings and I think you'd be able to make a positive contribution in the future once you've learnt the ropes fully.

You show much promise padawan :D


FYI I agree it's a pretty pointless resolution, but it was done far in the past, and if I had the chance to have argued against it I would have.

But hey, I'm new. Being opposed by practically everyone feels like heavy antagonization to me...

Understandable. I wasn't trying to kick you in the head, just make sure that the rules were clear. You also had the unfortunate "luck" of stumbling into a particular nest that I'm partial to.

I rather dislike DVD regions in the real world, so when Repeals to this Resolution crop up, I tend to take notice. I have also found that this particular Resolution is one of the two most misunderstood Resolutions (the other being the Tax ban).

I've seen dozens of Repeals that are based on not understanding the Resolution (many people seem to think that "DVD Region Removal" is adding DVD regions) and it boggles me. It may not have the best grammar, but the staggering number of people who misinterpret it, well... you get the picture.

At any rate, don't take this too personally. This forum can be pretty forgiving, all things considered; you just picked a bad starting point :p

OOC: Ahem...folks, Sparren is not a new nation. She's been around since 03 at least (I think), though it appears she let her nation die and then had it resurrected.

OOC: You are correct... how'd you know?

Thanks for the support, Hirota. I'll be submitting other proposals in the future for critique in this forum; in fact, I already submitted one to the UN to repeal "Replanting Trees."