NationStates Jolt Archive

NOTES: Precious land in our world is being wasted with landfills and advanced recycling plants are severly underused.

PROPOSES: That all nations build incineration plants on all developing landfills, whereas they provide relatively clean sources of energy and remove high amounts of landfill waste after recycling recyclable materials and bruning what is left.

PROPOSES: That a series of rockets are built which will launch themselves at the sun once filled with massive amounts of garbage from supporting countries. Countries may pay the UN Wate Removal Rocketry System to remove large amounts of waste from existing landfills via the sun.

Can anyone think of anything else to add or say about it before I submit it?

Yeah.

Don't submit it.


That all nations build incineration plants, whereas they provide relatively clean sources of energy and remove high amounts of landfill waste after recycling recyclable materials.

Relatively clean? Compared to what? My nation does fine for power with wind mills, hydro electric dams, and solar power. You resolution causes pollution in my nation.

That a series of rockets are built which will launch themselves at the sun once filled with massive amounts of garbage from supporting countries.

Oh great.

So now I have to spend billions of dollars to build a rocket to shoot at the sun... and then another bunch of money to build *another* rocket to shoot at the sun...

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. You can't expect every nation to even have the capability to build rockets.

What if perhaps each nation may choose to spend amounts of money to clear out landfills and whatever was in the landfill goes into the rocket? That way the rocket is payed for, and you don't waste billions.

Also, the plants aren't a power source, it's an alternative to landfills. You burn it, and then dump it, perhaps in the rocket? The fact it can supply power helps. Wind power and solar power need lots and lots of space and what if it rains or snows? Not every nation has lots of open country space. Also, the electric dams harm fish and river wildlife. This can ease the burden of both of these problems in addition to your clean sources.

The region of Northwind must decline its agreement with anything of this nature. The programs of refuse removal qualify as a regional and national issue, not one for international involvement. Indeed, we do not wish the UN to tell us how to dispose of our trash.

Your recycling center is nothing more, or less, than a polluter in its own right. Indeed, our recycling efforts would be hampered if not nullified by this proposal. The region of Northwind, respectfully, asks that the delegate take this matter up with in the region in which the nation exists.

Further, we call for all voting nations to ignore this proposal and do not give this, potentially harmful, proposal the light of day.

If your nation's recycling efforts fall short, that is not my region's problem, that is your region's problem. Indeed, you might seek out the advice of your neighbors to determine a economic answer to this tradegy.

Furthermore, we ask that if this proposal is to be taken seriously, that the portion of it about launching matter at the Sun of your galaxy be omitted. Currently, there is scientific evidence that this will harm your sun, but there is also no data to support that it won't. Understand that the destruction of your Sun can have a, potentially, devistating effect on the galaxies surrounding your area.

The region of Northwind must decline its agreement with anything of this nature. The programs of refuse removal qualify as a regional and national issue, not one for international involvement. Indeed, we do not wish the UN to tell us how to dispose of our trash.

Your recycling center is nothing more, or less, than a polluter in its own right. Indeed, our recycling efforts would be hampered if not nullified by this proposal. The region of Northwind, respectfully, asks that the delegate take this matter up with in the region in which the nation exists.

Further, we call for all voting nations to ignore this proposal and do not give this, potentially harmful, proposal the light of day.

If your nation's recycling efforts fall short, that is not my region's problem, that is your region's problem. Indeed, you might seek out the advice of your neighbors to determine a economic answer to this tradegy.

Furthermore, we ask that if this proposal is to be taken seriously, that the portion of it about launching matter at the Sun of your galaxy be omitted. Currently, there is scientific evidence that this will harm your sun, but there is also no data to support that it won't. Understand that the destruction of your Sun can have a, potentially, devistating effect on the galaxies surrounding your area.

The air pollution of an incineration device is mild in comparison to many factories and industrial plants. It would lessen the impact of a much larger sized landfill of the environment. It is of the concern of the UN, because if I want to invade your pathetic nation, then I want it to be clean and not litter stricken with large overused landfills.

Also, the heat emission of the sun is so great that any matter which would get close to it would burn away. If anyhting, it would help our sun burn LONGER.

I haven't seen any other resolutions about how to clean up landfills, or indeed how to dump trash. As far as I'm concerned, apathetically throwing it all in big heaps underground is revolting.

Greetings.

We of Roathin note that in a recent launching of rockets by a rocket-standard technological level state in our neigbourhood, the fallout over the surrounding 5000m radius consisted of 21%(by mass) hydrochloric acid, 34% aluminium oxide, and 28% carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. The remainder contained water vapour and other relatively harmless pollutants.

We suggest that the rocket launch issue be carefully examined prior to any resolution involving rocket launching in large quantities.

Greetings.

We of Roathin note that in a recent launching of rockets by a rocket-standard technological level state in our neigbourhood, the fallout over the surrounding 5000m radius consisted of 21%(by mass) hydrochloric acid, 34% aluminium oxide, and 28% carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. The remainder contained water vapour and other relatively harmless pollutants.

We suggest that the rocket launch issue be carefully examined prior to any resolution involving rocket launching in large quantities.

The launching of the rockets will be carefully planned out, of course. If anyone understands the above quote, and can take usefull information out of it, please post it. If you post statistics please post an analysis, since clearly I don't understand any of the previous post.

All launching will be conducted in various continental desert regions, as to have the lowest impact on the surrounding environment. Please also note that this is a good way to relieve our planet of hazardous materials and incriminating corpses of hookers......jost joking! Do we want our children playing on beaches with needles that were dumped out to sea? We should just shoot them at the sun and not worry.

All launching will be conducted in various continental desert regions, as to have the lowest impact on the surrounding environment.

Are you a complete moron?!! I am NOT testing some idiotic junk-rocket in the middle ofthe desert! Deserts are the few remaining parts of the world that arn't f*cked up by humans, and still have signifigant amounts of biodiversity!

Greetings.

We rephrase our previous post in our thread as follows:

If you launch many rockets, you will almost certainly cause terrible pollution. This is something the NSUN is not in favour of.

Well, clearly rocket launching isn't exactly cheap. The price tag of launching rockets into outer space will be immense no matter how it is done. The periodic rocket launch will only be done with truelly massive amount of waste. It could be a major aid for any reforming nation new to the NSUN which has much waste needing fast and efficient removal. And, as prevoiusly stated, it would only be done in regions where there is low amounts of human population and wildlife.

Are you a complete moron?!! I am NOT testing some idiotic junk-rocket in the middle ofthe desert! Deserts are the few remaining parts of the world that arn't f*cked up by humans, and still have signifigant amounts of biodiversity!

If your idea of biodiversity is rattlesnakes, cacti and the occasional tumbleweed, then yes, it is a very beautiful region. Also, it wouldn't be a test site; certain deserts would be home to a small launch site where it would blast off and have the least reprocussion from the previously mentioned amounts of fallout (which are minute in comparison to daily emissions of even the most efficient factories).

If your idea of biodiversity is rattlesnakes, cacti and the occasional tumbleweed, then yes, it is a very beautiful region.

"In geography, a desert is a landscape form or region that receives little precipitation. As a consequence, deserts have a reputation for supporting very little life. Compared to wetter regions this may be true, although upon closer examination, deserts often harbor a wealth of life that usually remains hidden...to preserve moisture" -The Wikipedia

A desert has just as much life as a forest. I will not subject my nation's wildlife to HYDROCHLORIC RAIN (Roathin's post) because some idiot 20,000 KM away from me and not even in my nation's government tells passes this idiot resolution through the UN.

You cannot expect me to believe that:

A) You understood Roathin's original post,
B) It rains extensivly enough to cause Hydrochloric rain in a desert
C) You know what hydrochloric rain is

The launch sites would be placed within Trade Wind desert areas and Midlatitude desert areas, and only many miles away from any oasis, as they are needed to sustain desert life. Local ecologists will survey the regions and make sure that the species of animals will not be harmed by rocketry emissions. But honestly, hydrochloric rain, in a desert. And you have the nerve to call me a moron?

Backpakistan, have you even been in a desert? Beautiful country. And, yes, it does rain in deserts. The rain is rare, but when it does happen, the result is either flooding or native plantlife that you normally don't see sprouting flowers, sometimes turning a entire desert green for a short period of time and having it show off plants you see no where else. Also, there are quite a few deserts that are green for months at a time.

In other words, acid rain in a desert is a real danger.

Backpakistan, have you even been in a desert? Beautiful country. And, yes, it does rain in deserts. The rain is rare, but when it does happen, the result is either flooding or native plantlife that you normally don't see sprouting flowers, sometimes turning a entire desert green for a short period of time and having it show off plants you see no where else. Also, there are quite a few deserts that are green for months at a time.

In other words, acid rain in a desert is a real danger.

Right then, no launching rockets during rainy seasons. But certanly it's better to shoot them from deserts than urban areas and rain forests. But the concept of acid rain, in a desert is absurd. Pollution gets into clouds, and that causes acidity. If there are no clouds, then there air, for a very diminuitive period of time will gain a very slight level of pollution. It would take a massive amount of rockets to be launched in a short period of time to do any real damage during the long, harsh dry season of a desert. It's a rather radical idea, but it's not complete idiocity.

That would be nice, but you're also ignoring another problem: Deserts don't clean themselves like other environments. They utilize a unique system of self-cleaning that only animals have managed to replicate (in other words, the bury-and-forget method). So, all of this pollution will simply remain until rain comes along or it is buried, at which point it can possibly damage the massive underground reservoirs that deserts are known for.

What we would suggest is specialized launch platforms where the pollution is easily contained.

We find this to be a nations issue to deal with.

Some nations have the capabilities to deal with waste better then others. Forceing everyone to use a method that might be too expensive or not practical for them is not right.

Minister to the UN
Henry Peabody