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Please discuss and approve my idea for the Olympic Games. The proposal will only stay in the proposal page until Monday, 6 June. It's on page 14.

Here is the text:

For the promotion of healthy sports and economic benefit for the host
country, as well as encouraging international corporation, an
international sporting festival shall take place every leap-year.

~ It shall be called the Olympic Games, in honour of the ancient Greek
athletes and their sporting festival during the Hellenistic age.

~ Both men and women can perticipate in the Olympic Games. Events can
be seperated into male and female events if suitable.

~ No nation shall host more than one Olympic Games during a 23 year
period starting from the intial event, ie. a nation hosting the
proposed games in 2012 would not be able to host another one until
2036.

~ No region can have two consecative Olympic Games within its borders.

~ The host nation shall receive an economic boost from hosting the
Olympic Games, but is expected to finance the construction of
facilities from its own budget. Moderate sponsorship is allowed (to be
defined by the GCOC).

~ Bidding for hosting an Olympic Games shall take place seven years
before the event commences. Only members of the United Nations can
host these games.

~ The first Olympic Games will take place in 2012.

~ All nations, whether in the United Nations or not, are allowed to
send athletes to the Games. The host nation has no right to refuse
athletes from taking put in events because of their nationality,
gender or ideology.

~ All sports with an international following are allowed in the Olympic Games.

~ The winners, runner-up, and third place shall receive gold, silver
and bronze medals respectively in recognision of their success.

~ An Governing Council of the Olympic Games (GCOG), shall be set up,
with 12 delegates and one chairperson appointed by the United Nations,
to oversee the bidding process, successful hosting of the Olympic
Games, admitting new sports, drawing up rules in the spirit of the
games, and anything else that may arise of concern. The chairperson
only has voting powers in a stalemate within the GCOG.

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Thank you

In the past, proposals that seek to create the Olympic Games have been ruled illegal and deleted from the proposal list. I just thought you should know.

Good idea, though. Keep on looking for those good proposal ideas, and hopefully some of them will be legal. :)

Vote for it anyway, it may get in anyway.

Vote for it anyway, it may get in anyway.

Even if I wanted to, I'm not a Regional Delegate, so I don't have the ability to approve your proposal. :)

Alas, this is illegal on a few levels.

~ It shall be called the Olympic Games, in honour of the ancient Greek
athletes and their sporting festival during the Hellenistic age.Real World Reference.

~ No region can have two consecative Olympic Games within its borders.Regional stuff. Borderline MetaGame.

~ The host nation shall receive an economic boost from hosting the
Olympic Games, but is expected to finance the construction of
facilities from its own budget. Moderate sponsorship is allowed (to be
defined by the GCOC).Any and all boosts will be a one-time bump from when the Proposal passed. Game Mechanics.

~ Bidding for hosting an Olympic Games shall take place seven years
before the event commences. Only members of the United Nations can
host these games.Only UN memebers will be affected by this at all.

~ All nations, whether in the United Nations or not, are allowed to
send athletes to the Games. The host nation has no right to refuse
athletes from taking put in events because of their nationality,
gender or ideology.Borderline Game Mechanics. UN Resolutions cannot affect non-UN nations.

~ An Governing Council of the Olympic Games (GCOG), shall be set up,
with 12 delegates and one chairperson appointed by the United Nations,Borderline MetaGame. All committees are staffed by magical UN constructs. Actual nations do not chair committees.

So... if they just make all those changes, an Olympic Games proposal COULD be legal, right?

Potentially, sure. There's nothing innately illegal about an Olympic Games proposal. It's jsut really tough to make it work within the rules.

i think this sounds great, promote more inter regional interaction (did that make sense?) but why is this illegal?

Well, Hack already explained, but I'll say it again. This contains real world references, and as such is illegal. It also contains a great deal of things that are on the edge of being illegal for requiring changes to game mechanics, as well as "MetaGame" violations (but you'll have to look at the proposal rules to understand what that means).

So I will repropose the Olympic Games tomorrow, with the required changes. And I hope everybody will vote for it. ;)

Draft:

For the promotion of healthy sports and economic benefit for the host
country, as well as encouraging international corporation, an
international sporting festival shall take place every leap-year.

~ It shall be called the Olympic Games.

~ Both men and women can perticipate in the Olympic Games. Events can
be seperated into male and female events if suitable.

~ No nation shall host more than one Olympic Games during a 23 year
period starting from the intial event, ie. a nation hosting the
proposed games in 2012 would not be able to host another one until
2036.

~ Moderate sponsorship is allowed (to be defined by the GCOC).

~ Bidding for hosting an Olympic Games shall take place seven years
before the event commences. Only members of the United Nations can
host these games.

~ The first Olympic Games will take place in 2012.

~ All nations, which are in the United Nations, are allowed to
send athletes to the Games. The host nation has no right to refuse
athletes from taking put in events because of their nationality,
gender or ideology.

~ All sports with an international following are allowed in the Olympic Games.

~ The winners, runner-up, and third place shall receive gold, silver
and bronze medals respectively in recognision of their success.

~ An Governing Council of the Olympic Games (GCOG), shall be set up,
with 12 delegates and one chairperson, to oversee the bidding process, successful hosting of the Olympic Games, admitting new sports, drawing up rules in the spirit of the games, and anything else that may arise of concern. The chairperson only has voting powers in a stalemate within the GCOG.

you sure the bidding is legal?
anyway, I will support it if it will be in vote, but I don't think it should start in 2012. 2010 or even 2008 are closer years with enough time for organizing.

btw, I think some may have problem with the times beacause their states worked by different time systems the real time.

Just out of curiosity, where did you come up with the 23 year limit? And I agree about changing the 2012 date - could have some problems between future and past tech nations. Best if you don't mention a specific date at all. And lastly, include a clause saying going to the games is not mandatory. I know it seems obvious to you and me that anyone can boycott, but I can just see the noobs' arguements in the official dissussion forum: "I D0NT WANNA 53ND MY ATHL3T35 TO UR GAM35!!! IF YOU MAK3 M3 I WILL N00K U!!!", etc, etc. :D

If you're up for a bit of reading, I was the last one to really try a substantial attempt at this, and probably the one with the most famous attempt at it. My proposal reached quorum the second time through the list, but the mods deleted it for metagaming, because it specifically mentioned the NationStates Forums. So while I imagine someone's going to RP the games here if this does pass, make sure you never mention it.

Here's the NS Wiki article on the whole thing, complete with mod rulings and a link to my appeal: Olympic Games (Removed) at NS Wiki (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Olympic_Games_%28removed%29)

Happy reading, and good luck with this. Hopefully my draft can give you some ideas.

If you're up for a bit of reading, I was the last one to really try a substantial attempt at this, and probably the one with the most famous attempt at it. My proposal reached quorum the second time through the list, but the mods deleted it for metagaming, because it specifically mentioned the NationStates Forums. So while I imagine someone's going to RP the games here if this does pass, make sure you never mention it.Heh, yeah. The only time I've gone through more Hell is when I deleted one of those damnable Hippo Proposals...

Happy reading, and good luck with this. Hopefully my draft can give you some ideas.As I recall (I haven't read the draft lately) the only problem was the forum requirements. Using it as a template would be a pretty good idea, actually.

Draft:

For the promotion of healthy sports and economic benefit for the host
country, as well as encouraging international corporation, an
international sporting festival shall take place every leap-year.

~ It shall be called the Olympic Games.

~ Both men and women can perticipate in the Olympic Games. Events can
be seperated into male and female events if suitable.

~ No nation shall host more than one Olympic Games during a 23 year
period starting from the intial event, ie. a nation hosting the
proposed games in 2012 would not be able to host another one until
2036.

~ Moderate sponsorship is allowed (to be defined by the GCOC).

~ Bidding for hosting an Olympic Games shall take place seven years
before the event commences. Only members of the United Nations can
host these games.

~ The first Olympic Games will take place in 2008 AD.

~ All nations, which are in the United Nations, are allowed to
send athletes to the Games. The host nation has no right to refuse
athletes from taking put in events because of their nationality,
gender or ideology.

~ It is not mandatory for any country to send athletes to the Olympic Games.

~ All sports with an international following are allowed in the Olympic Games.

~ The winners, runner-up, and third place shall receive gold, silver
and bronze medals respectively in recognision of their success.

~ An Governing Council of the Olympic Games (GCOG), shall be set up,
with 12 delegates and one chairperson, to oversee the bidding process, successful hosting of the Olympic Games, admitting new sports, drawing up rules in the spirit of the games, and anything else that may arise of concern. The chairperson only has voting powers in a stalemate within the GCOG.



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The Olympic Games need a start date, and it should be a leap-year. So let's have 2008. And by saying AD, everybody will know which year it is, ie 2008 years after Christ.

I just like the number 23, and there should be a time limit before hosting another Oympic Games.

So, is it okay to propose now?

While the idea of the Olympic Games is a good one, what does it have to do with the United Nations? It does not concern politics, the economy, or the environment. It would not fit into any of the existing categories for proposals.

It could be Human Rights, or any other catergory that encourages inter-regional harmony. Good question, what would be best?

It could be Human Rights, or any other catergory that encourages inter-regional harmony. Good question, what would be best?

Everyone has the right to compete in the Olympic games? I don't think so. It is definitely not a human rights issue. But that's my point. It doesn't fit into any category. And that is probably because, in this case, it is not a UN issue.

[OOC:] In real life, the UN has nothing to do with the Olympic Games. It is a sporting event. I do like the diea of an NS Olympic Games but I think you'd be best to RP them rather than go through the UN.

Since the game mechanics don't actually allow for things like continued budget injections, bidding or anything else (except in roleplay perhaps...) it might be prudent to focus more on the initial creation of the body involved, as this would only have a one-time effect in RL. Apologies if this is presumptuous or offensive.

Or if it breaks the rules... ;)

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For the promotion of healthy sports and economic benefit for the host country, as well as encouraging international corporation, an international sporting festival shall take place every leap-year.

The Games shall be called The Olympic Games.

There shall be no barrier to any sex entering any event, though events may be seperated by sex where appropriate.

Member nations will not be obliged to enter the games, or even acknowleddge their existence, though in the spirit of competition and sportsmanship they are encouraged to do so.

A Governing Council, The Governing Council of the Olympic Games, shall be set up, with an initial fund provided by UN members and private business on a voluntary basis. The council shall consist of 12 council members, drawn randomly from former sportspersons of the UN member nations, and a president who shall be appointed by the united nations. This council shall subsequently be funded by from the general UN budget. Its functions shall be as follows:

* To implement a suitable process for choosing a host nation for each tournament, as well as to oversee that process,
* To oversee and administrate sponsorship deals for the games as a whole, not including the sponsorship of any individual competitors and teams, nor the sponsorship of any individual portion of the games infrastructure provided by the host nation,
* To create and amend the rules of competition, in order to create a fair competition for all entrants and prevent discrimination on any grounds, either by potential sponsors, copmpetitors or host nations,
* To discuss and implement any particular type of competition, tournament or event in to the games, based on its suitability
* To implement a suitable awards scheme for competitors.

Additionally the GCOG will have the power to set up limited comittees to examine any of its competences in light of future discoveries and changes in relevant international laws, as well as to discuss changes to its governing rules.

An subordinate agency shall be created, using the existing GCOG budget, to oversee drugs testing. Drugs tests shall not be mandatory, except where suspicion of illegal substance abuse is raised.

In the event that the GCOG wishes to amend its governing rules, a seperate comittee shall be formed from the existing GCOC budget in order to examine the proposed changes. This comittee shall consist of a GCOG council member, who will act as president of the comittee, along with three additional members appointed in the same manner as the GCOG itself. Changes can only be passed following a detailed positive assessment by this comittee, along with a majority vote by the central council. If the comittee does not find sufficient reason to implement the changes, the council will be obliged to find more evidence supportings its proposals or abandon them.

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Be gentle. This is my first try at anything like this.

*snip*There shall be no barrier to any sex entering any event, though events may be seperated by sex where appropriate.*snip*

Greetings.

We are not normally walkers upon the 'Moral Decency' platform. But we view with a somewhat jaundiced eye the programming difficulties and amendments to international sporting rules that might result from the lack of barriers to sex entering any event. Likewise the replacement of recesses between events with exhibitions of... free-form gymnastics. We are quite perturbed when envisioning the effect of this clause on sports such as synchronised swimming, the decathlon, fencing, basketball, and a host of other sports.

I'm loath to use the word "gender" when refering to differences between the sexes. A "gender" is something a word has. Sex is what people have.

Got that? :D

Well it was just a suggestion...

This sounds fun, but I think it would be more of a roleplay thing than an UN resolution.

So should I propose the revamt version for the Olympic Games, will it be allowed.

And what catergory should it go in?