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Please support the right to religious liberty by accepting my UN proposals so that UN members can vote on it.

I have put forward many motions, but dont yet have enough delegates to get get it to the voting stage.

So please accept the following proposals:

Sabbath Day Off, School Prayer, Repeal Rights of Minorities and Women, Freedom for Missionaries.

Please support the right to religious liberty by accepting my UN proposals so that UN members can vote on it.

I have put forward many motions, but dont yet have enough delegates to get get it to the voting stage.

So please accept the following proposals:

Sabbath Day Off, School Prayer, Repeal Rights of Minorities and Women, Freedom for Missionaries.

1. Sabbath Day Off : State Issue
2. School Prayer : Support already
3. Repeal Rights of Minorities and Women : Oppose
4. Freedom for Missionaries : Support

Though I'm not a "Christian Nation", the CRT is a Libertarian state.

Please support the right to religious liberty by accepting my UN proposals so that UN members can vote on it.

That is already protected by UN law.

I have put forward many motions, but dont yet have enough delegates to get get it to the voting stage.

If they are worthy, they'll get support with the right campaign. If they are unworthy, you'll get laughed out of the UN.

So please accept the following proposals:

Sabbath Day Off, School Prayer, Repeal Rights of Minorities and Women, Freedom for Missionaries.

MOSS proposals. Please post the text of them here.

Going by just the titles, I do have the following to say:

1. Sabbath Day Off- The problem with a Sabaht Day (spelling intentional, look up the D'ni language online to see why) is that it usually assumes a 7-day week. Not all nations in the UN use weeks consisting of seven days. If you are referring to the Sabbat (spelling also intentional), then you're talking about giving people four extra days a year off total, which I honestly doubt when looking at the topic title.

2. School Prayer- If it allows people to pray in school without government interference, we will support. If it forces school prayer, we will oppose.

3. The repeal won't be supported. We find that piece of legislation to be particularly helpful and find it to be a necessity with how some nations are.

4. Freedom for Missionaries- We cannot support. Our nation is founded upon a set of teachings and most people in the nation consider speaking against those teachings to be a form of either treason or terrorism, which usually results in the one speaking against being killed and the Maintainers being unable to get information out of the witnesses on how the one speaking against the teachings died. For some reason, having half of your face melt into its component elements is called by some to be "an unusual accident." We also know we are not alone in the attitude towards missionaries. If you want to spread your faith, it is better to let people come to you instead of seeking them out.

We are not a Christian nation, in spite of the beliefs of the player in real life, and what we are is available in the factbook.

If they are worthy, they'll get support with the right campaign. If they are unworthy, you'll get laughed out of the UN. What if there simply isnt enough delegates on line that weekend. It doesnt look like any of the proposals issued right now will get put to the vote.



MOSS proposals. Please post the text of them here.

Going by just the titles, I do have the following to say:

1. Sabbath Day Off- The problem with a Sabaht Day (spelling intentional, look up the D'ni language online to see why) is that it usually assumes a 7-day week. Not all nations in the UN use weeks consisting of seven days. If you are referring to the Sabbat (spelling also intentional), then you're talking about giving people four extra days a year off total, which I honestly doubt when looking at the topic title. No, the proposal just allows religious people to have a day off a week for religious purposes without fear of discrimination by employers.

2. School Prayer- If it allows people to pray in school without government interference, we will support. If it forces school prayer, we will oppose. It does not force prayer. It allows for a time of voluntary prayer.

3. The repeal won't be supported. We find that piece of legislation to be particularly helpful and find it to be a necessity with how some nations are. That legislation is discriminatory. I dont oppose the spirit of it, in fact I would sooner have an ammendment than a repeal. It denies absolute truth and implies that postmodern beliefs are superior to other ones. It also demands that a culture which practices cannibalism be regarded as equal to one that does not.

4. Freedom for Missionaries- We cannot support. Our nation is founded upon a set of teachings and most people in the nation consider speaking against those teachings to be a form of either treason or terrorism, which usually results in the one speaking against being killed and the Maintainers being unable to get information out of the witnesses on how the one speaking against the teachings died. For some reason, having half of your face melt into its component elements is called by some to be "an unusual accident." We also know we are not alone in the attitude towards missionaries. If you want to spread your faith, it is better to let people come to you instead of seeking them out.
[/QUOTE] But what about in people in your nation cant go abroad to hear beliefs?

On the topic of repealing 'Rights of Minorities and Women', you may get support you didn't expect. I'm one of the left-wing regulars on the UN forum, and I personally despise that resolution because it endorses moral relativism. I believe this to be highly dangerous for any society to embrace, let alone the 35,000+ nations in the NSUN.

Please post your proposals and repeals here so that we may discuss the actual text of them, rather than drawing conclusions from the titles. [edit] Never mind, you've done that in a different thread.

What if there simply isnt enough delegates on line that weekend. It doesnt look like any of the proposals issued right now will get put to the vote.

Then you're SOL.

No, the proposal just allows religious people to have a day off a week for religious purposes without fear of discrimination by employers.

Why not give everyone a day off and let them do as they wish with it?

It does not force prayer. It allows for a time of voluntary prayer.

All I have on this thread are the titles.

That legislation is discriminatory. I dont oppose the spirit of it, in fact I would sooner have an ammendment than a repeal. It denies absolute truth and implies that postmodern beliefs are superior to other ones. It also demands that a culture which practices cannibalism be regarded as equal to one that does not.

You really have no room to complain about discrimination, as your first proposal listed discriminates against those who are not religious. And, absolute truth does not exist in NS.

But what about in people in your nation cant go abroad to hear beliefs?

People are free to leave at any time. We do not stop them.

And, absolute truth does not exist in NS.

Yes it does, Max Barry created NationStates, therefore Max Barry is God. And that's the absolute truth of NationStates.

Yes it does, Max Barry created NationStates, therefore Max Barry is God. And that's the absolute truth of NationStates.

Ah, but what proof do you have that Max Berry is real? Max Berry could just be a pen name used by a writer ashamed of his own name. Or, it could be a small group of writers.

:fingers plugged in ears:

LA LA LA Can't hear you LA LA LA!!!

Ah, but what proof do you have that Max Berry is real? Max Berry could just be a pen name used by a writer ashamed of his own name. Or, it could be a small group of writers.
You're right, I don't have any proof that Max Berry is real, but I do have proof that Max Barry is real. After all, NationStates exists, and Max Barry created NationStates as a marketing tool for his book Jennifer Government (which I know exists because I'm holding a copy as I speak) therefore Max Barry must exist.

Of course, the question of whether or not Max Barry is [violet] or not remains unanswered.

1. Sabbath Day Off: State Issue
2. School Prayer: State Issue
3. Repeal Rights of Minorities and Women: I support this repeal for multiple reasons.
4. Freedom for Missionaries: State Issue

We are not a "Christian nation," but we do welcome those of all faiths.

You're right, I don't have any proof that Max Berry is real, but I do have proof that Max Barry is real. After all, NationStates exists, and Max Barry created NationStates as a marketing tool for his book Jennifer Government (which I know exists because I'm holding a copy as I speak) therefore Max Barry must exist.

Of course, the question of whether or not Max Barry is [violet] or not remains unanswered.

Misspelling on my side. I was too busy, at the time, looking for an ancient mod ruling dealing with the usage of calling people trolls. That's all moot now, as I've been told to stop using extensive knowledge by a mod who locked the topic rather than give the opportunity for a presentation of evidence or an admittance of not finding any. Take a look at the moderation forum and enjoy the laugh. Oh, and we can now call each other and everyone who posts trolls all we want, as it's apparently not flaming. So, I'm labelling everyone on this topic trolls in a show of camaraderie. Expect the word to become one of the most used words in my vocabulary, as I now have a mod ruling to back my being able to use it without it being a flame. I've also bookmarked the post that backs it, and may add the link to my signature.

Anyway, as for this topic: Go back to what I said, change Max Berry to Max Barry, and apply it as a reply to your topic.

And, absolute truth does not exist in NS.

Isn't that an absolute truth ;)

Please support the right to religious liberty by accepting my UN proposals so that UN members can vote on it.

I have put forward many motions, but dont yet have enough delegates to get get it to the voting stage.

So please accept the following proposals:

Sabbath Day Off, School Prayer, Repeal Rights of Minorities and Women, Freedom for Missionaries.

Sabbath Day off- yes
School Prayer- Yes
Repeal Rights of Minorities and Woman- why? dont understand why you would if you are calling youself a conservative christian?
Freedom of Missionaries- YES

Return to Good Christian Values!

You really have no room to complain about discrimination, as your first proposal listed discriminates against those who are not religious.

And womans right to choose (abortion) discriminates against men!

Repeal Rights of Minorities and Woman- why? dont understand why you would if you are calling youself a conservative christian?
I am not against the Rights of Minorities and Women, especially seeing as my nation has a Muslim minister and two women ministers. I am against some of the smallprint of this resolution. It makes it illegal for citizens to say that they believe they are right and believe that others are wrong because Part 3 states that "no religion or belief is more true or better than any other". Wouldnt that mean that simply stating "I believe that Islam is wrong" would land a citizen in jail.

It needs ammending rather than repealing, but this cannot happen in NS.

Isn't that an absolute truth ;)

Nope. Some nations have "absolute" truths that apply to themselves without applying to others.

And womans right to choose (abortion) discriminates against men!

Not in the least. Her body, her choice. At this time, it's pretty much accepted on this forum (we have a few stragglers we're working on) that a fetus is not a living thing. If it's not a living thing, then none of the biblical comments about murder apply. If it's not a living thing, it's just another part of her body. It eventually becomes a living thing, but that's later on down the line.

I am not against the Rights of Minorities and Women, especially seeing as my nation has a Muslim minister and two women ministers. I am against some of the smallprint of this resolution. It makes it illegal for citizens to say that they believe they are right and believe that others are wrong because Part 3 states that "no religion or belief is more true or better than any other". Wouldnt that mean that simply stating "I believe that Islam is wrong" would land a citizen in jail.

It needs ammending rather than repealing, but this cannot happen in NS.

What you are talking about is freedom of speech, which the UN protects. What that means is that a citizen can insult Islam all they like. The resolution is an attempt to prevent governments from discriminating.

Nope. Some nations have "absolute" truths that apply to themselves without applying to others.



Not in the least. Her body, her choice. At this time, it's pretty much accepted on this forum (we have a few stragglers we're working on) that a fetus is not a living thing. If it's not a living thing, then none of the biblical comments about murder apply. If it's not a living thing, it's just another part of her body. It eventually becomes a living thing, but that's later on down the line.



What you are talking about is freedom of speech, which the UN protects. What that means is that a citizen can insult Islam all they like. The resolution is an attempt to prevent governments from discriminating. I have seen that. its just that some lawyers could use the flaws of the Rights of Women and Minorities to twist and confuse that law.
I want clarity in the UN. That is my case!

And anyone with enough brains can use the TPP to help them commit genocide. Does that mean the resolutions dealing with the TPP should be removed from the game?

Anyway, as for this topic: Go back to what I said, change Max Berry to Max Barry, and apply it as a reply to your topic.
Doesn't change the fact that someone wrote the book under the name of Max Barry, therefore someone using that name exists.

Doesn't change the fact that someone wrote the book under the name of Max Barry, therefore someone using that name exists.

And I can write a book under the name of Santa Clause. Does that mean Santa Clause exists? Just because they are using the name doesn't mean the name is that of a real person.

Also, you have yet to deal with the idea this may be a group of writers.

And I can write a book under the name of Santa Clause. Does that mean Santa Clause exists? Just because they are using the name doesn't mean the name is that of a real person.Samuel Clemens wrote under the pen name of Mark Twain, would you doubt that he actually existed?

Also, you have yet to deal with the idea this may be a group of writers.I believe that Max Barry's website (http://www.maxbarry.com/max/) should answer that idea.

Samuel Clemens wrote under the pen name of Mark Twain, would you doubt that he actually existed?

Mark Twain didn't exist. Samuel Clemens did.

I believe that Max Barry's website (http://www.maxbarry.com/max/) should answer that idea.

A little secret about the internet: People sometimes lie about their identity or how many people are behind a false identity. It's sometimes easier to create a false identity of a single person and hide the entire group behind it.

I have seen that. its just that some lawyers could use the flaws of the Rights of Women and Minorities to twist and confuse that law.
I want clarity in the UN. That is my case!

Clarity.

In the UN.



Are you feeling alright?

And womans right to choose (abortion) discriminates against men!

Oh peter.


The day that a man can decide whether or not I have an abortion is the day that I decide whether or not to snip his balls off.

Wow. To say that the responses to the poorly thought-out messages of this topic's initiator impress me would be akin to saying that the ocean is occasionally damp. As a male who would very much enjoy retaining his testicles, I express my solidarity with the representative of Jeianga. Expel at will!

Ambassador Yuri Sokolev
Armed Republic of Krioval
Regional Delegate for Chaotica