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Greetings to all nations,

i want to introduce myself in short:
I am Henoch, the prohetic leader and emperor of the throcracy of Henochia. My government is based strictly on the law of the thora and the gospel.

Being new to the UN and to NationStates, i am looking for other strictly christian governed countries in the UN. Maybe there is some kind of alliance to enforce christian policy within the UN. Please contact me, if you share this point of view.

Greetings,

Henoch

Greetings to all nations,

i want to introduce myself in short:
I am Henoch, the prohetic leader and emperor of the throcracy of Henochia. My government is based strictly on the law of the thora and the gospel.

Being new to the UN and to NationStates, i am looking for other strictly christian governed countries in the UN. Maybe there is some kind of alliance to enforce christian policy within the UN. Please contact me, if you share this point of view.

Greetings,

Henoch

While I am pretty sure you could fine alliances, it is imposible to "enforce christian policy" or indeed, enforce any particular religious policy in the UN.

Much like the UN, the Constitutional Republic considers all religion an aspect of personal choice, and protected belief to the people in general. (Clause 1, Amendment 1, Constitution of the Republic of Tekania, applicable to the 6 Dominions of the Republic (Tekania Prime and Lunar Dominions[Tekanious], And Dominion Protectorate Systems of Tekarnia [Tekanious/Hominid], Tekadia [Tekanious/Hominid], Thompsonia [Hominid] and Celestus [Hominid])

OOC: Don't take this offensively, but to be honest Christians cannot be trusted with using religion as government policy. The Founding Fathers of the United States were smart enough to know that. It's something that has led to probably about 1 billion needless deaths and hundreds of people tortured without a good reason. And before you accuse me of being antiChristian, note that I'm Roman Catholic.

Please, do us all a favor and don't try to enforce Christian values on the UN. You'll find me opposing you, and that is not something you wish. Until Christianity can rid itself of those who pervert the beliefs for their own insane causes, it cannot be trusted in a position of power like that. I hold the same as true of all religions.

Wrong, though there may be many who do pervert the Christian belief system, it is a sin itself to turn any one away from it. It is a sin to desire to rid a belief system of those who others see as unfit or perverted in the sence of Christianity. Those that distort what is taught and so on should not be banashed but be made aware of their misdeeds. You yourself have no right to dictate what should be done to those who have distorted the faith. Only fools desire to do such things, because that would be against something all Christians need to understand. Christ turned no man or woman away, so should we do the same. I do believe that Christian beliefs could change the face of politics in a way you cannot imagine. Look at this world now, you see rape, murder, oppression, and destruction everywhere. Do you think that the politics of this world are acceptable, they most certainly are not. This worlds law may have a few of the right ideas, but it is still far off. Man's law will never be the same as God's because man changes his position on things, but God is unchanging. Therefore, why rely on man's law to guide us through this world. God's law is like a single flame that sets on top of a hill, and at night; when the world becomes dark and gray, it shines brighter than the brightest star. Christian faith can be used to change politics for the better, and for this there are no excuses good enough to state otherwise.

Sorry, I'm not a Christian.

Please read through the list of already passed resolutions and take your pick of ones to repeal in the name of Christianity ~ there are plenty out there.

And good luck, you have your work cut out for you.

:) Welcome to the UN.

Wrong, though there may be many who do pervert the Christian belief system, it is a sin itself to turn any one away from it. It is a sin to desire to rid a belief system of those who others see as unfit or perverted in the sence of Christianity. Those that distort what is taught and so on should not be banashed but be made aware of their misdeeds. You yourself have no right to dictate what should be done to those who have distorted the faith. Only fools desire to do such things, because that would be against something all Christians need to understand. Christ turned no man or woman away, so should we do the same. I do believe that Christian beliefs could change the face of politics in a way you cannot imagine. Look at this world now, you see rape, murder, oppression, and destruction everywhere. Do you think that the politics of this world are acceptable, they most certainly are not. This worlds law may have a few of the right ideas, but it is still far off. Man's law will never be the same as God's because man changes his position on things, but God is unchanging. Therefore, why rely on man's law to guide us through this world. God's law is like a single flame that sets on top of a hill, and at night; when the world becomes dark and gray, it shines brighter than the brightest star. Christian faith can be used to change politics for the better, and for this there are no excuses good enough to state otherwise.
Please now justify the Inquisition, which was a raving party of murder, oppression, and destruction in the name of "God's Law".

Please now justify the Inquisition, which was a raving party of murder, oppression, and destruction in the name of "God's Law".
Please now stick to the business of the UN, and take doctrinal and RL historical discussions to the General forum, where such things belong.

I'm sorry, could you please tell me how the person I was responding to was referring in any way to the UN?...maybe this whole topic should be removed to a more appropriate forum.

I'm sorry, could you please tell me how the person I was responding to was referring in any way to the UN?...maybe this whole topic should be removed to a more appropriate forum.
Call it a 'bump' away from topic drift. I wasn't picking on you specifically, it's just that yours asked a question encouraging the continuation of the topic drift.

There is plenty of UN related material in this topic, but feel free to create a topic in General for the other aspects of it. You can even provide a link to it if you want, but let other people stay on the UN topic side of things in here.

Wrong, though there may be many who do pervert the Christian belief system, it is a sin itself to turn any one away from it. It is a sin to desire to rid a belief system of those who others see as unfit or perverted in the sence of Christianity.

It is also a sin to worship false prophets. Considering they are not following the true words of Christ, they are following false prophets.

Those that distort what is taught and so on should not be banashed but be made aware of their misdeeds.

Making them aware does not correct the actions already taken. Nor does it guarantee stopping those actions. Sometimes, to do the work of Christ, one must turn thy sword to Christians. It is sad that such must sometimes be done, but it is the world we live in.

You yourself have no right to dictate what should be done to those who have distorted the faith.

What I am saying are my reasons for opposing what the topic starter suggests. Nothing less, nothing more.

Only fools desire to do such things, because that would be against something all Christians need to understand.

And only fools are willing to allow those who willingly pervert the teachings of Christ into a disrespected mockery of a faith to continue their actions. For when those who pervert are damned for their actions, those who did nothing will be guilty of the greatest sin of all. Remember that Christ dictated words to live by, not words to rule by.

Christ turned no man or woman away, so should we do the same. I do believe that Christian beliefs could change the face of politics in a way you cannot imagine.

You misunderestimate me. I know in what ways it can change the world. Christ was humble in his actions in many cases, and he intended to live life as an example to be followed. Where do you see him taking over Rome? Where do you see him making laws? Where do you see him as part of government? He worked within the laws of the land he was in, not against them, which part of why he chose to dictate to slaves and slave owners how to treat each other rather than oppose the whole system entirely.

Look at this world now, you see rape, murder, oppression, and destruction everywhere.

And, in the real world, you saw the same thing when Christianity was at its most powerful, only you saw them on a more massive scale. Not even the Nazis, as bad as they were, could match the destructive force of the Catholic Church when it became drunk on the wine of power. The main point of the past is to learn from it, not make the same mistakes. If the faith can become perverted when put into power once, what makes you think it cannot happen again?

In NS, many of the main nations I see committing the worst human rights violations are religious. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of the nations that are the worst of the worst when it comes to oppression and destruction are religious. This is not because of religion itself, but because of people. They gain power and begin to have a distorted view, comming to see their beliefs differently than they should. Soon, what was a faith intended to uplift and help the people becomes a tool to oppress and destroy the people. That is the failure of the Catholic Church, the failure of many Muslim states, the failure of China, and the failure of many presidents for the United States in the real world. I do not wish to see the NSUN have the same failure. Note that I will not hesitate to ICly destroy any nation or group of nations who comes close to succeeding in attempting to get their religion, no matter what it is, as the power of the UN. I cannot allow the UN to become corrupted any more than it already is.

Do you think that the politics of this world are acceptable, they most certainly are not. This worlds law may have a few of the right ideas, but it is still far off. Man's law will never be the same as God's because man changes his position on things, but God is unchanging. Therefore, why rely on man's law to guide us through this world. God's law is like a single flame that sets on top of a hill, and at night; when the world becomes dark and gray, it shines brighter than the brightest star. Christian faith can be used to change politics for the better, and for this there are no excuses good enough to state otherwise.

There are no excuses, but examples. History is full of peoples murdered and cultures destroyed in the name of some god or another. The religion doesn't matter, as the crimes in its name are always the same. When humanity finally learns from its mistakes, then maybe you'll have a point. But as long as humanity is stuck in the ignorance of being unable to see the obvious from its own past and prevent the numerous errors from comming about again, you do not. Whether NS or real life, putting any religion in the kind of position you are talking about is asking for another Inquisition, another 9/11, another case of peoples exterminated in the most horrifying ways that human ingenuity can come up with. This cannot be allowed.

Ahhh more people to feed to my Lion pits (just kidding)

Religion is a choice, not a mandate. If you wish to impose it on your people, you will find you are breaking several UN laws. The PDS will be sending missionaries to your country to teach them the ways of personal choice, and free education shortly.

I recently started a new region and I'm wondering how do yopu become strictly Christian?

Religion is a choice, not a mandate. If you wish to impose it on your people, you will find you are breaking several UN laws. The PDS will be sending missionaries to your country to teach them the ways of personal choice, and free education shortly.

As a theocracy, We find this attitude disturbing. We would be remiss in Our leadership duties if We allowed the introduction and tolerance of false beliefs among Our people. We are considering UN membership, but do not see why this should be a quid pro quo.

UN rules are why. You join, you have to follow what the resolutions say. Simple as that.

I recently started a new region and I'm wondering how do yopu become strictly Christian?

Stop spamming your region wherever you go.

However, as not to become a spammer myself with this message I will answer your question: You roleplay as though your nation were ruled as a theocracy, while also answering any issue in a Christian-like manner. Simple as that.

UN rules are why. You join, you have to follow what the resolutions say. Simple as that.

Out of curiousity, how many theocratic states are in the UN? It would seem that this form of government would be outlawed by their rules.

Greetings.

We are deliberately not a theocratic state. We are fully aware of the implications of being one. We avoid this and thereby save a fortune in tall conductive spikes which might sully the classic baroque architecture of our major cities (always excepting the Crystal City of Adaranathin).

Out of curiousity, how many theocratic states are in the UN? It would seem that this form of government would be outlawed by their rules.

Enough to form multiple coalitions in attempting to get certain pieces of legislation repealed, but not enough to actually influence voting. The majority of the major players have either left the UN, gotten kicked out for rules violations, or simply ended up not being able to keep in operation very long.

Ironically, you're talking to a state that is arguably theocratic, even though it doesn't consider itself so.

Contact me if you like. I am a Christian country in the UN.

The majority of the major players have either left the UN, gotten kicked out for rules violations, or simply ended up not being able to keep in operation very long.

We are curious about how a nation can be kicked out of the UN. How is this decided and enforced?

[OOC Note: We've read the FAQ and the various stickies, and understand the technical rules. Consider this as an IC query to the UN from a non-member nation that's somewhat "on the fringe" in terms of culture and society.]

There's no IC reason to be kicked from the UN, only if people violate the rules of the game by submitting illegal/inappropriate proposals, or UN-multiing (having multiple UN accounts).

The people of Obcessive Tecnocracy feels that it is not very christian to force people into anything.

In order to ensure that one religion has no superiority to any other religion in the eyes of the government, the government needs to be secular. People can still believe and get together to worship whatever they want, but in no way can that influence policy. Why must all religions be viewed as equal by the government? Well, let me put it this way. I'm sure that somewhere way out there in the NS world there are a half dozen Christian nations that are perfectly wonderful in the way they treat their citizens, and people of any religion can live their in harmony, even if they tend to be evangelized a bit more than average. But for every one of those nations, there are ten more Christian nations that are rule with an iron fist by fundamentalists who are creepy, rigid, arrogant, cruel, know-it-all, pompous, obnoxious and treacherous — better known by the acronym C.R.A.C.K.P.O.T. I'm sure we can all agree that a government in which no religion's views effect the laws of that nation is better than a C.R.A.C.K.P.O.T. nation rounding up Jews, Muslims, and Christians because they don't follow the way of the Potato God. But Fatus, why can't all religions influence the government equally? Surely that's better than a government in which no religion's voice is heard. Because sooner or later there will be a majority. And can you trust the majority to rule the other religions fairly? That's not even a reference to Christianity- what if the majority turns out to be the bloodthirsty C.R.A.C.K.P.O.T. Potataoists I mentioned a minute ago? For everyone's sake, the government, whether on the nation level or the UN's level, needs to be impartial.

P.S. If anyone is interested in finding the true path to salvation, begin your path to oneness with our Starch Based Savior here:

The Potato God Worship Center (www.angelfire.com/pa2/potatogod/)

Good is He who grows in dirt!

In order to ensure that one religion has no superiority to any other religion in the eyes of the government, the government needs to be secular.

We are not sure how this applies to Us, since in the Eternal Kawaii the religion is the government.

The people of Obcessive Tecnocracy feels that it is not very christian to force people into anything.

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

lol :D

We are not sure how this applies to Us, since in the Eternal Kawaii the religion is the government.
Greetings.

In our experience, it is far more likely that government is a religion than religion is a government. Think about it.