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This is my new U.N. proposal designed to encourage the development of the Arts and by extenstion culture all across the globe. I ask that anyone and everyone who believes in the value of an elevated global culture to give this proposal your endorcement because support for the Arts is support for peace.


Support For the Arts
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Ismin

Description: Throught human history the basis of all civilizations and how they are judged by history was by the elevation and advanced state of thoese nations cultures. The quality and meaning behind the arts, the depth of literature, and the spiritual power behind the religious forces that drive the previous two.

This proposal shall require all U.N. nations to allocate a small portion (between 1%-3%) of their national budget to a National Endowment for the Arts fund that shall encourage artistic expression and support the works of writers, artists, designers and everyone with a creative drive and who can produce results.

If this proposal becomes a Resolution every nation shall benifit from the massive global cultural development that shall come about. Everyone shall be able to enjoy the great works of the new artists and shall read the new literature, and shall indulge in the new musical arts that shall issue forth from the CD players of the world.

Voting Ends: Tue May 24 2005


Edit: While something like Cultural development may not seem to have great import, I ask you to think of how our desendants shall think of our times. Will they call us a pack of pathetic primatives or will they laud us as grand cultural innovators and thinkers whos generation changed the world forever? This proposal will help make the later a real possibility. I hope you will support this proposal.

May you be blessed by your God/dess

This is my new U.N. proposal designed to encourage the development of the Arts and by extenstion culture all across the globe. I ask that anyone and everyone who believes in the value of an elevated global culture to give this proposal your endorcement because support for the Arts is support for peace.


Support For the Arts
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Ismin

Description: Throught human history the basis of all civilizations and how they are judged by history was by the elevation and advanced state of thoese nations cultures. The quality and meaning behind the arts, the depth of literature, and the spiritual power behind the religious forces that drive the previous two.

This proposal shall require all U.N. nations to allocate a small portion (between 1%-3%) of their national budget to a National Endowment for the Arts fund that shall encourage artistic expression and support the works of writers, artists, designers and everyone with a creative drive and who can produce results.

If this proposal becomes a Resolution every nation shall benifit from the massive global cultural development that shall come about. Everyone shall be able to enjoy the great works of the new artists and shall read the new literature, and shall indulge in the new musical arts that shall issue forth from the CD players of the world.

Voting Ends: Tue May 24 2005


Edit: While something like Cultural development may not seem to have great import, I ask you to think of how our desendants shall think of our times. Will they call us a pack of pathetic primatives or will they laud us as grand cultural innovators and thinkers whos generation changed the world forever? This proposal will help make the later a real possibility. I hope you will support this proposal.

May you be blessed by your God/dess
Well your proposal doesn't look all that bad, but it could be better had you written it in the way most other proposals are.

The only problem I have with this resolution is that it forces a nation to invest in something they might not want to invest in.

Quite a few spelling errors and the % donated probably should not be a range. Also, 1-3% of a nation's budget to an unnecessary international fund is a lot of money. And I'm not sure this has a whole lot to do with human rights.

RN: Well then if it isn't human rights then what would you of labeled it as?

ElectronX: I didn't feel like writing an overlong proposal that said the same thing over and over agian in different ways. I prefer something plain, simple, short and easy to read.

I agree with the first replier, don't pu a ceiling/bottom line to what you have to donate, just ask for donations, don't force them.

Greetings.

We strongly support your proposal. Having spent a large tithe of our income from our lands of Roathin, and the work of the peoples thereof, on support of the Arts - both white and black, and of all disciplines - we are happy to see that others shall be likewise persuaded.

We are not so sure about the CD players though.

I'm not entirely certain about the wording, firstly.
Secondly,
This proposal shall require all U.N. nations to allocate a small portion (between 1%-3%) of their national budget to a National Endowment for the Arts
May be a game mechanics violation, but check with a mod to be sure.
Thirdly, many nations, quite reasonably, choose not to patronise the arts for the suprisingly logical reason that the money going to art foundations would be better served supplying medical aid to an epidemic ravange region of thier country, or funding their military to defend themselves from a evil invader, etc.

Cobdena: I looked throught the past U.N. Resolutions just now and I found quite a few that only contained one sentence that got voted on and were made into resolutions. Also the chances for war would be lessened if there were more educated people in this world who embraced a peaceful global culture and I feel that this proposal is a step in the right direction.

If you have a problem with the 1%-3% donation requirement them make your own proposal for Support of the Arts that is donation based and support that, it's that simple.

I like the direction just not the resolution. If you were to re-write the proposal in such a way that it encourages the arts, that would be fine. But forced allocation of funds into something like the arts isn't resonable, many of my people would find that the money be better used for Medical or military means. I think many nations have the same sentiment.

I'd rather that the money was spent on medications, baby incubators, decent roads, a well trained military, luxurious official limousines, etc.
If you look at recent proposals, and not the ones made in the first year of UN foundations, you'll notice they all follow a certain format.
Also, this is not an issuee that transcends national borders and is therefore unworthy of UN consideration.

ElectronX: Then HOW would you rewrite it? All I have been hearing is that my proposal needs to be reworked but I haven't seen anyone do anything other than complain about the details. At least I MADE a proposal, please show me how you would of written the proposal.

Cobdena: "luxurious official limousines"... yes, making sure that the ruling body of nations are pampered and spoiled is SO much more important than an educated and well cultured populous. (sarcastic)

The People of the Free Lands of Draconomia do not support this not because we do not support the arts (we love epic & fantasy novels as well as poetry), but because we do not thing all nations share that same love with us. If another nation wants to be artistically challenged we say let them. It just serves to make our nation more attractive.

Yeah... same here. Don't get me wrong, we love the arts- we are home of one of the NS world's greatest archetectual acheivements, The Worlds Largest Tower of Oreo Cookies, but we wouldn't support being FORCED to support the arts. If we get involved in a war, why would we want to waste even 1% of our budget when we could be using it to lower the casualty rate?

Here in Bahgum we believe that supporting the arts is not only something that blokes do to make lasses fancy them, but also a sign of civilisation....and it should be up to the nation to display this sign, not artificially forced.

As such Bahgum is proud to invite, for the first time, overseas nations to take part in its longstanding great annual Bahgum flat cap competition for the arts. Last year it was won by an installation of a stuffed whippet covered in coal dust.

Wow! Not one nice thing about my proposal, are my ideas THAT lacking in merit? Or is this the forum of negative nancys? (it's probably the later).

The only way I would approve this proposal was if the most it did was strongly encourage a nation to support the arts- making it toothless and therefore useless.

Support for the arts is a fine idea. Support for the arts as mandated by UN Resolution is an entirely different thing. Around here, we pick things apart based on how well they fit the UN Reolution format and rules, and frankly, you've got problems.

First off, it's not a human rights issue. You've stated it as an income-redistribution deal (from the general public to artists), so it would be social justice.

Second, 1% to 3% of a nation's budget is an ENORMOUS amount, not a small percentage. Take a look at the stats for Fatus Maximus (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Fatus_Maximus), one of the contributors to this thread. 266 million citizens, 100% tax rate. Gov't budget, $1.139 trillion. According to this page, he's spending 3% of his income on ALL of commerce, but you'd have him pay the same sum to JUST the arts? Fatus's citizens have a per-capita income of $4,283.47, so we're talking a significant hit for a poverty-stricken nation who can barely afford food and housing, much less mandatory arts programs.

In the other direction, let's look at the nation of Spiney Norman (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Spiney_Norman), picked at random off the front page of The World. 5.186 billion population, zero % tax rate. At three percent, they're either going to pay $506 trillion (based on a government budget of $16,874 trillion), or $5,581,296,062,563.20 based on their current GDP. Their citizens can suck it up better with a per-capita income of $35,874.12, but it's still going to be triple what that nation spends on its entire healthcare system.

In short, your proposal immediately reads as impractical to those of us with practiced eyes. We bypass the flowery text and look at the core proposal, and that's where it has been found wanting. Anything that passes muster in the UN affects approximately 35,000 nations, so we try to be pretty careful on what we allow through.

Do a bit of reading and studying here, refine your thoughts in terms of how it works in the game, and post a new version. Perhaps with alterations towards a more realistic set of goals, you might be able to catch people's attention.

The only way I would approve this proposal was if the most it did was strongly encourage a nation to support the arts- making it toothless and therefore useless.

It must be so awful to have to consider a U.N. Resolution that can actually DO something rather than just toothless suggestions like the ones in the real world.

Hey, I have no problem with a resolution that can DO something- I just don't want one that DOES this.

Wow! Not one nice thing about my proposal, are my ideas THAT lacking in merit? Or is this the forum of negative nancys? (it's probably the later).
No, it's the former. We are just smart enough to realize that there are far more important things than building big statues, drawing colorful rainbows, and singing pretty songs. By the way, it's not "later," it's "latter." One of those spelling mistakes I mentioned.

We are just smart enough to realize that there are far more important things than building big statues, drawing colorful rainbows, and singing pretty songs. By the way, it's not "later," it's "latter." One of those spelling mistakes I mentioned.It must be so awful to have to consider a U.N. Resolution that can actually DO something rather than just toothless suggestions like the ones in the real world.
It's possible to provide or respond to criticism without being snippy. You should both try it.

While i feel it is important to have the arts, mandating that they should be supported and enforcing it is wrong. In poor countries, i am sure citizens will not want money diverted to the arts from their incomes and welfare. In rich countries, if they wanted to support the arts they would and citizens would support them through their spending and love of cultural things, like operas, museums, concerts, galleries etc. No need for this resolution at all i feel.

It's possible to provide or respond to criticism without being snippy. You should both try it.
Apologies, I was just responding to his baseless, snide comment with a baseless, snide comment of my own.