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Delegates:

I have submitted the following resolution for your approval. Please approve it, or if you do not, tell me what you do not like about it:

Meshuggeners
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UN Separation of Religion
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Meshuggeners

Description: RECOGNIZING that citizens of all member nations should have the ability to choose their own belief system.

Also RECOGNIZING that member nations have a right to self-determine their form or government and the manner that they govern their people. This includes imposing a belief system on their citizens.

CONCERNED that some member nations may seek to actively promote or push their belief systems on other member nations.

CALLS FOR the complete separation of religion from the affairs of the United Nations.

WHEREAS the United Nations may not pass any resolution or take any action that promotes, endorses or forces a belief system on any member nations.



Approvals: 1 (Meshuggeners)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 150 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Mon May 23 2005

"Theocracy"

Actually, Vas, if you read the proposal it only talks about the UN imposing its religious beliefs on individual member states. Therefore, theocracies are actually protected by this.

That being said, I'm certain there's already a resolution that covers this. I'm too lazy to look for it right now, so I'll be doing that later. If it turns out I'm wrong, I owe Mesh a drink.

Actually, Vas, if you read the proposal it only talks about the UN imposing its religious beliefs on individual member states. Therefore, theocracies are actually protected by this.

That being said, I'm certain there's already a resolution that covers this. I'm too lazy to look for it right now, so I'll be doing that later. If it turns out I'm wrong, I owe Mesh a drink.


CALLS FOR the complete separation of religion from the affairs of the United Nations.

You will explain to us how a Theocracy can do this, or you will purchase for us one margarita. :D

We approve of any legislation to limit religiousity in all its forms, religions cloud mens minds and inhibit actions by forcing upon them codes of thought which are not natural. Within our Empire there is no known religion, why should we be forced to acknowledge religion when coming to address the world.

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A previous Resolution already grants freedom of religion, which this would violate. Furthermore, this amounts to banning an ideology, which is against Proposal rules.

A previous Resolution already grants freedom of religion, which this would violate. Furthermore, this amounts to banning an ideology, which is against Proposal rules.


I don't believe this would violate that at all. All this states is that we won't get involved in relgion, or force one upon anyone. I, in fact, feel that this would reaffirm that and make it stronger.

The delegate from Darkumbria supports this resolution.

I don't believe this would violate that at all.

So noted. However, you should reread this part:

CALLS FOR the complete separation of religion from the affairs of the United Nations.

The "complete separation" would violate previous Resolutions that directly involve the UN in religious affairs, turning this into a defacto Repeal.

It's also something of a moot point now, as I've already deleted it.

I might be wrong, but my reading of the proposal is that it makes the UN secular, not UN nations. Therefore, Theocracies would still be allowed to exist, but they couldn't use the UN to make everyone theocracies.

Actually, Vas, if you read the proposal it only talks about the UN imposing its religious beliefs on individual member states. Therefore, theocracies are actually protected by this.

That being said, I'm certain there's already a resolution that covers this. I'm too lazy to look for it right now, so I'll be doing that later. If it turns out I'm wrong, I owe Mesh a drink.

There's three, I believe. I referenced them when trying to make a similar resolution, which essentially was far too much like the three to be of any use. On the other hand, this IS actually illegal because it limits future resolutions.

So noted. However, you should reread this part:
The "complete separation" would violate previous Resolutions that directly involve the UN in religious affairs, turning this into a defacto Repeal.

It's also something of a moot point now, as I've already deleted it.

OK, first of all, this was not my intent to repeal any resolution and I do not agree that my proposal calls for this, defacto or otherwise. However, I have now been through the list of resolutions twice now and I do not see any resolution that prevents the UN from promoting a religion (which was my intent).

Can you please tell me which resolution(s) you felt this is a defacto repeal of?

There's three, I believe. I referenced them when trying to make a similar resolution, which essentially was far too much like the three to be of any use. On the other hand, this IS actually illegal because it limits future resolutions.

Please let me know what these three were because I do not feel that any resolution prevents the UN from promoting individual belief systems over others. I found only four resolutions that even mention religion:

#19: "Therefore be it resolved that the United Nations support and promote a greater understanding of all religions and promote more tolerance of differences of religion."

#26: "Article 1 -- All human beings have the right to choose worship any faith, and to change their religious beliefs at any time without punishment on the part of the state."

#80: ARTICLE III- Not a single religion or belief is better or more right than another.

#89 §8 Indigenous peoples have the right to practice cultural traditions & customs, the right to maintain, protect & develop the past, present & future expression of their cultures, such as archaeological & historical sites, designs, ceremonies & technologies.

The only one that comes close is #19 that promotes and understanding of religions and not religions themselves.

Thanks

Our beleif is that any proposal that will limit the power of religion in institutions such as the UN must be adopted to ensure that religous beleif does not become a factor in the institutions ability to adopt policies and protect the citizens of the world. Religion has been the cause of many wars, genocides and conflicts throughout history, a clear example of why the power of religous institutions should be regulated. Any legislation that will limit relgious influence in the United Nations and other international bodies should be adopted immediatly.

...religions cloud mens minds and inhibit actions by forcing upon them codes of thought which are not natural...

YOU HAVE ANGERED THE POTATO GOD WITH YOUR BLASPHEMY!!! HE MUST BE APPEASED!!!

http://www.angelfire.com/pa2/potatogod/sacrifice.html

:D

300 tons of french fries have been sacrificed... ironic?