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Hello everyone. I do not really know how to write these things up, but I have a proposal, and I need some help. For starters, I do not know what category this would go in, as well as how these proposals should be formatted. Anyways...


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Ban the Outsourcing of Vital Industry Services


I propose that vital industry services should not be outsourced, including and not limited to, Customer Service Representatives, Technical Support, Drive-thru operators, all banking and financial institution services, government services, support via electronic mail, telemarketers, and so on.

First and above all, these are hundreds upon thousands of jobs that are being taken away from our nation, resulting in higher unemployment rates, higher employment insurance premiums, more people struggling to survive on welfare, and families just barely above the poverty line.

Secondly, these are jobs that are essential to the well fare of all nations’ economies, and funds that are going to welfare services could have been diverted elsewhere, such as education, the military, the arts, tourism, etc.

Thirdly, some shady financial institutions try to save money by outsourcing their CSRs; these are jobs that are handling sensitive information and should not be crossing the nation’s border, let alone halfway across the world in many cases. Such sensitive information must not be allowed to travel such distances, and poses as a security threat and more likely to be intercepted.

From a financial point-of-view, the nations’ economy may get stronger for a short time, but then will rapidly sink when you have hundreds of thousands of people applying for welfare, beggars on the streets, and lower spending money that will end with inflation.

This is a proposal that not only secures jobs for your citizens, but also secures financial well-being of your nation for the future.

Agreed. I'll stop all outsourcing to InterSlice immediately.

I am to laugh. Ha.

I'd like to play the "hurts my economy" card here but as I personally think the cards are a bit too confrontational and belittling to the person they're being flashed at, I'll just say the words instead. I don't like this because it would hurt my economy :).

I am also a bit confused about how a "drive through operator" job can be outsourced to another country. As I'm under the influence of some very strong painkillers at the moment I may have missed something but it seems a bit hard to me to move that paticular position ;):).

If you outsorce vital services, then it means that, if you go to war with that nation, you would be unable to function.
Therefore, outsorcing vital industry services would mean that you would be unable to go to war; leading to world peace.
Not a bad thing, in my eyes.

I'm just a bit confused as to how you can outsource drive-through operators.

We are not terribly concerned about the principle of outsourcing - if someone somewhere else can do a job better than you, then they deserve it more than you. What side of an imaginary line on a map someone lives on should not be a factor in giving them a chance to make a living.

_Myopia_'s real concerns are the abuse many workers endure in less developed countries at the hands of transnationals. Thankfully, the UN has gone some way to rectifying this by guaranteeing the right to unionise, setting a maximum work week, banning slavery and child labour. We think that all that is needed now is a resolution guaranteeing a minimum wage. This solves the problems of so-called sweatshop labour, and will also level the playing field somewhat so that companies are less likely to outsource to developing nations, as it won't be possible for them to cut costs by mistreating workers there.

It was on the news... they wanted to outsource the jobs of those fast-food drive-thru operators to other states or like Mexico, etc.

I'd also like to thank Nargopia and Vastiva for your help; you sure gave me, a newbie, a lot of constructive criticism. Thank-you so much you bastards.

Anyways, to quote _Myopia_, "This solves the problems of so-called sweatshop labour, ..." - All I have to say in response to that is nobody in the world can solve the problems of sweatshop labour, the sex trades, so on and so forth in third-world and undeveloped countries. Besides, if you were to do so, North America's economy would collapse. We wouldn't want that, now would we?

So yeah, the hell with my proposal, and the hell with all of you, too. :D

If you outsorce vital services, then it means that, if you go to war with that nation, you would be unable to function.
Therefore, outsorcing vital industry services would mean that you would be unable to go to war; leading to world peace.
Not a bad thing, in my eyes.
Good argument, i'm against this proposal as well.

Oh c'mon people! Get a grip! There never will be world peace! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:

:fluffle:

Anyways, to quote _Myopia_, "This solves the problems of so-called sweatshop labour, ..." - All I have to say in response to that is nobody in the world can solve the problems of sweatshop labour, the sex trades, so on and so forth in third-world and undeveloped countries. Besides, if you were to do so, North America's economy would collapse. We wouldn't want that, now would we?

Well, for starters, there's no such place as North America in the NS world. And second, we can make a big impact, at least within UN member states, by imposing various workers' rights legislation. We've already ensured that working hours are limited, eliminating a big feature of sweatshops - making people work physically damaging hours just to keep their jobs - and we've done various other things like protecting unions (sweatshop operators are infamous for doing things like firing workers who join unions). The big remaining step is ensuring that all workers are given a living wages
As to the sex trade, we've brought it above ground and exposed it to regulation and workers' rights legislation, so prostitutes everywhere in UN members are granted the same rights as any other worker, and are able to call upon law enforcement to deal with assualts etc without fear of being punished themselves.

I'd like to play the "hurts my economy" card here but as I personally think the cards are a bit too confrontational and belittling to the person they're being flashed at, I'll just say the words instead. I don't like this because it would hurt my economy :).
Please excuse me as this is a little off-topic, but I must say that I completely agree with you. I have long found those cards to be condescending and in poor taste. Why snipe someone with a huge card graphic (or 4 or 5) when you can just say what you feel in a polite manner and explain your reasoning? Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone, Waterana.

Oh c'mon people! Get a grip! There never will be world peace!
Not at the moment. With the abolition of barriers to trade and tariffs we can come one step closer. (Damn; there isn't a crazy hippy emoticon...)

It will hurt my economy which is why i am opposed, plus it is a barrier to free trade, something i strongly believe in.

Plus, if jobs are outsourced to places with cheap labour then those workers who were working on them at home can get better jobs (with training) and advance the economy. Companies who save money by outsourcing can either invest that money in the economy or send it out to the shareholders which trickles down and is spent by them therefore increasing the incomes of other people who receive that extra money that the shareholders spent and so on.

Well, for starters, there's no such place as North America in the NS world.


*cough* If it please the representative from Myopia, our colony of Vastivan Alaska is in "North America" - which is the name of a continent - though we will note it is one of several. We have sent a gratis copy of the latest NSEarth Atlas to your office, printed this morning but sadly already dated. ;)



As to the sex trade, we've brought it above ground and exposed it to regulation and workers' rights legislation, so prostitutes everywhere in UN members are granted the same rights as any other worker, and are able to call upon law enforcement to deal with assualts etc without fear of being punished themselves.

Here here! Someone grab the Flibbelites representative and read this to him.

Here here! Someone grab the Flibbelites representative and read this to him.
Hey, I've told you before, we are technically in compliance with the resolution, it's just that there are so many restrictions on it that as a result nobody has been able to actually open a legal brothel in my nation.

The Constitutional Republic solved this issue in our own borders...

We place high tariffs on incomming materials and international communications. Makes for a good source of government funds, and makes it too damn expensive to out-source, for anyone to want to do it.

As such, we, as a nation, see no need for this legislation.

Hey, I've told you before, we are technically in compliance with the resolution, it's just that there are so many restrictions on it that as a result nobody has been able to actually open a legal brothel in my nation.

Yes, we know, we've already opened thirty illegal ones. Your currency converts pretty easily, did you know?

*cough* If it please the representative from Myopia, our colony of Vastivan Alaska is in "North America" - which is the name of a continent - though we will note it is one of several. We have sent a gratis copy of the latest NSEarth Atlas to your office, printed this morning but sadly already dated. ;)

Ah yes - there it is! We do apologise to the people of North America for not being aware of their existence.

Oh c'mon people! Get a grip! There never will be world peace! :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:


I agree, and seeing as how there will never be world peace and how the political stances of nations have been known to change rapidly we cannot trust our economic security to other potential enemies. We must continue to drive our people with the feelings of true national unity and brotherhood (and sisterhood). I do not believe in outsourcing any form of job, especially essential jobs as it only weakens us. If a foreign good is selling better than the domestic equivalent then we must urge our businesses to strive for grater efficiency and quality. Temporary tariffs may be neccesary, but nothing too extreme.

Yes, we know, we've already opened thirty illegal ones. Your currency converts pretty easily, did you know?
Yes, and every time you do, our highly efficient police force shuts them down, so would you mind knocking it off, you're filling up our prisons here.

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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

Yes, and every time you do, our highly efficient police force shuts them down, so would you mind knocking it off, you're filling up our prisons here.

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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

*slips you a fiver for shutting down the competition*

Income from last quarter: 38.326 billion USD.

If you're bribing me, I appreciate it muchly. Besides, you keep making it more illegal - it's better then advertising.

*slips you a fiver for shutting down the competition*

Income from last quarter: 38.326 billion USD.

If you're bribing me, I appreciate it muchly. Besides, you keep making it more illegal - it's better then advertising.
Actually your illegal brothels in my nation are helping us out as well, after all every time our police shut one down we seize all assets on the site and auction them off. The last one alone brought in over 250,000 Flibs.

Having said that I am asking you nicely, to please stop sending people over here to open new ones, our police are getting tired of stopping them and if it keeps up I will be forced to close our borders to anyone from your nation.
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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

There's really no need to do that, Brandon. Vastivan prostitutes can really tickle the ol' national sovereignty bone. ;)

There's really no need to do that, Brandon. Vastivan prostitutes can really tickle the ol' national sovereignty bone. ;)
That's not an option (the wife tends to frown on that).
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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

That's not an option (the wife tends to frown on that).
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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

She woudn't need to know. You could simply tell her that you were gone outsourcing. ;)

She woudn't need to know. You could simply tell her that you were gone outsourcing. ;)
Well, with my luck, the police would show up to shut the place down while I was there, so I think I'm better off not taking my chances.
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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

Actually your illegal brothels in my nation are helping us out as well, after all every time our police shut one down we seize all assets on the site and auction them off. The last one alone brought in over 250,000 Flibs.

Having said that I am asking you nicely, to please stop sending people over here to open new ones, our police are getting tired of stopping them and if it keeps up I will be forced to close our borders to anyone from your nation.
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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

*quietly makes a note "They think they come from our country.*

We could send you a nice live in maid... and a "poolboy" for your wife. We'll even pay to have a pool put in so the neighbors don't talk. :D

We could send you a nice live in maid... and a "poolboy" for your wife. We'll even pay to have a pool put in so the neighbors don't talk. :D

Vastiva, I find your offer both distasteful and repugnant.

OOC: And I'm going to leave it at that because we've dragged this far enough off topic already.
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Brandon Flibble
Grand Poobah of The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites

whilst we are against outsourcing of vital industries on a national level, we believe it is just that: a national thing. i think we are starting to scratch the bottom of the barrel here

Tis to laugh.

Please stop your outsourcing... It hurts his country. Why? Because your companies are outsourcing? Nationalize them, end of problem. THis is not an international matter, and should be handled on a regional basis.

If you outsorce vital services, then it means that, if you go to war with that nation, you would be unable to function.
Therefore, outsorcing vital industry services would mean that you would be unable to go to war; leading to world peace.
Not a bad thing, in my eyes.

Correction, leading to intra-United-Nation peace. That's hardly the same thing.

We are not terribly concerned about the principle of outsourcing - if someone somewhere else can do a job better than you, then they deserve it more than you. What side of an imaginary line on a map someone lives on should not be a factor in giving them a chance to make a living.
Let me explain the principle behind the term outsourcing to you, Myopia. Outsourcing generally occurs not because someone somewhere else can do a job better; rather, it occurs because someone somewhere else can do a job cheaper.

That said, I would still have to oppose this proposal. If a nation wants to outsource certain vital jobs to other nations either because they want to cut their own throat or because they are in a time of economic strife, it should be their right to do so.

Let me explain the principle behind the term outsourcing to you, Myopia. Outsourcing generally occurs not because someone somewhere else can do a job better; rather, it occurs because someone somewhere else can do a job cheaper.

I do realise that the main cause of outsourcing is so that lower wages can be paid. But to most employers, if someone will return a more favourable ratio of value produced to wages paid, they're generally regarded as a better choice to employ - which is why I wrote what I did.

That's hardly the same thing.
But it's a close as your going to get. Would you rather have the UN members at peace, and the rest of the NS fighting each other, or have everyone fighting each other? The former, whilest not total world peace, is as close as we can get.

But it's a close as your going to get. Would you rather have the UN members at peace, and the rest of the NS fighting each other, or have everyone fighting each other? The former, whilest not total world peace, is as close as we can get.
Fair enough, Cobdenia, it would be a good thing. "That said, I would still have to oppose this proposal. If a nation wants to outsource certain vital jobs to other nations either because they want to cut their own throat or because they are in a time of economic strife, it should be their right to do so." If it's not my nation, it's not my discretion that should affect it.

Don't worry, I oppose this proposal too. As I say, I want everyone to outsource their vital industries!