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Hello, everyone. I've recently submitted a Bill for Animal Rights proposal. Now, I thought the thing was well-written, and I did not include any of the zealotous nuttery or anything too gross or extreme. Most of it was common sense. But it lacks support, and when I say lacks, I mean it has a grand total of six votes.

Does anyone here--as I'm assuming you all have MUCH more experience than I at this--have any advice on how to get support? Or does anyone have an obvious reason, one that's I'm missing in my examination, that it's being ignored or rejected? :confused:

I'd appreciate any response. Thanks!

~The Republic of The Feral She Wolf


EDIT: Just found out I was supposed to include the proposal to adhere to form. Here:

Bill for Animal Rights
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: The Feral She Wolf

Description: This Bill would request that UN member nations be required to follow a simple set of anti-cruelty rules.

The five following facts are simplifications of the larger issues. As:

* Vivisection, or "autopsies" on live animals are still performed in even advanced nations without anesthesia;
* Livestock are slaughtered using wholly ineffective methods, often boiled alive accidentally, after being kept in cramped, filthy quarters and subjected to constant antibiotic treatment (which not only LOWERS disease resistance but introduces the antibiotics into the human body);
* Animals in laboratories are subjected to lethal poison tests and other painful procedures whose results are ALREADY KNOWN or occasionally incorrect (aspirin fatal to cats, polio vaccine fatal to chimpanzees, penicillin fatal to guinea pigs, etc.) and as many non-animal procedures have proven just as accurate in testing;
* Fur-farmed or wild-trapped animals used for fur are more often than not skinned alive, and otherwise are anally or genitally electrocuted so as not to damage the fur, instead of the trapper or farmer having to pay for painless euthanasia;
* And as captive-kept wild animals are often kept in small enclosures or badly physically neglected and abused, resulting in diseases spread to humans or attacks on humans...

As these preceding facts show, much of the world's treatment of animals is not only cruel, but dangerous to humans as well. Therefore, it is proposed that UN member nations comply with the following regulations:

* Humane Slaughter laws be passed in all nations, including regulations on the life of the production animal, to minimize pain, cruelty, and illness, and to ensure a quick death;
* In research, alternative methods of testing be used whenever possible and feasible, and no unnecessary repeat testing performed, and that when animals are used, anesthesia be made mandatory;
* Animals used for fur, rather than the cruel slaughter methods used, will be euthanized via lethal injection, or, when also used for the consumption of meat, slaughtered as meat animals using humane methods;
* And that wild animals, when kept captive, are allowed a natural roaming area of at least one acre per hundred pounds, and fed as closely as possible to their natural diet, provided shelter, and never abused or neglected.

These regulations are simple enough, and do only good for not only the animals involved, but often for the humans as well for a variety of health-related reasons. The small amount of effort involved to enforce these laws should be considered by almost all to be well worth the rewards.

looks good, except maybe changing the section on fur to include developing synthetic replacements for wild animal fur, but still allowing domesticated farm fur (sheep, alpaca, etc) to be used. to gain support, telegram regional delegates, with a link to this thread (linking to the proposal que isnt exactly good as the que tends to change.)

I like idea. If one person from my region voted for me, I would be a delegate. Oh well.

Is that allowed? Thanks for the advice, btw...

The thing is, I started telegramming everyone, and was told it was SPAM. Therefore, of course, I stopped. Is it spam?

Thanks!

Telegramming regional delegates is annoying to some, but it's overall an accepted practice. Restrict TGs to delegates, though, and ask around for a list of those who might be favorable to a proposal similar to yours (I'd give you one, but I don't have such a list - sorry!). Good luck!

a telegram campain to regional delegates to promote a UN proposal is not spaming, and is an effective way of getting it to the floor for vote. that is how a lot of them get it done. although, you have to make sure that it is the regional delegates. dont go telegraming usual UN members

Vastiva will continue to use artillery on polar bears.

Vastiva will continue to use artillery on polar bears.
ah yes. there is nothing in here covering pest eradication, is there?

ah yes. there is nothing in here covering pest eradication, is there?

True. It's why we may support.

Being a Pojo, I will of course be in strong support of this one. A helpful idea is to reference the current page of the proposals list, or simply to remind people they can use the search bar at the bottom - sometimes laziness gets the best of us.

if i am forced to provide so much land for all livestock, im worried about the deforestation of my nations forest. grazing and roaming land has to come from somewhere. and do i need to provide anesthetics to test things like make up?

The land thing is for Captive-kept Wild Animals, NOT livestock. The only thing in there about livestock is the general rule for well-being, and the humane slaughter laws. In other words, we don't want pigs packed in crates so small they can't turn around, but you don't have to have a nature reserve for them!!! The land is needed for things like lions and elephants. There are more big cats kept in the SW US than in all the wild; these are mostly chained in junkyards. The elephants often spend much of their lives chained by the legs in circuses, or with maybe half an acre of 'roaming' land. One wolf in Japan has been kept her whole life in a two-by-three meter cage, whereas wild wolves have a HOME range of about five HUNDRED miles.

As far as the make-up thing goes: a lot of testing nowadays is really cruel, like dropping chemicals into a rabbit's clipped-open eyes to see how long the eyes will last, stuff like that. Allergy tests are generally NOT performed on animals for the simple reason that animals don't have the same allergies as humans. Most make-up is made of the same stuff that has been tested for decades; the FDA in the US does NOT require testing. But big companies do repetitive tests anyway to cover their butts in case of lawsuit, despite the fact that in modern times these lawsuits win a lot--since it's been proven that animal tests do NOT show what will happen to humans.

Basically, your companies won't have to even pay for the animal testing. It will be struck out as repetitive. It wouldn't make sense to sue, since the company could say "we couldn't test, it's illegal" if someone does get hives, which they wouldn't if they haven't already from other makeup (again, same ingredients).

All makeup goes through human testing anyway.

It would affect you like this: Testing that's already been done will not be done again; much testing that IS done will be done on things like lab-grown human skin (making for MUCH more accurate and easy testing), and what new testing needs to be done, anything painful will require painkillers, yes.

And that's about it. Again, I think it's pretty clear that this stuff is not only common sense, but only for the good. Any decent person should have no reason seeing how unnecessary a lot of modern animal cruelty truly is.

Thanks for your time, and advice!

~The Feral She Wolf

Hello, everyone. I've recently submitted a Bill for Animal Rights proposal. Now, I thought the thing was well-written, and I did not include any of the zealotous nuttery or anything too gross or extreme. Most of it was common sense. But it lacks support, and when I say lacks, I mean it has a grand total of six votes.

Does anyone here--as I'm assuming you all have MUCH more experience than I at this--have any advice on how to get support?


Telegrams.
Telegrams.
Telegrams.

The easiest way to find delegates, look at the list of delegates already endorsing proposals. Write a form letter that in 4 lines or so briefly explains why you submitted your proposal. Then write a few more lines asking for their advice on how to improve your proposal. :)

Be polite, and if you get a telegram asking you to never contact that nation again, don't apologize ... you did nothing wrong, just honor their request and make a note to not telegram that nation again.

It is possible to do what the Chipmunks are doing, and include the name of your proposal in quotes so Delegates will know to search it out by the exact name you give them.

3 days after you submit your proposal, copy the list of everybody who endorsed it, and try again. Telegram those nations and thank them. Sometimes I've sent imaginary beers or imaginary "most favoured nation" status to a few nations. If somebody wants to chat with you, I've personally found it very rewarding to chat back. That is how you make lasting positive impressions.

For your proposal, it is late here so I didn't read it, but I'm a big fan of white space. While I think your proposal might do better if it had more white space, just glancing at it, it seems very thoughtful ... enough that if I weren't about to go on hiatus, I'd be curious enough to read it through! :)

Now, I'm going to recommend you telegram the nation of Hersfold. They are also a strong advocate in favour of animal rights. Hersfold is active in the North Pacific, and on this issue may be able to give you some specific advice about your proposal. Hersfold may be busy, but (he) teaches a course about the UN at the Lemurian University.

Please note that some delegates have set up alternate ways, which are usually listed in the Regional Factbook. My understanding is that if a delegate has specified a different way for proposals to get his/her vote (in the Regional Factbook) then TGing that delegate can be considered spam.

Please note that some delegates have set up alternate ways, which are usually listed in the Regional Factbook. My understanding is that if a delegate has specified a different way for proposals to get his/her vote (in the Regional Factbook) then TGing that delegate can be considered spam.

I'm not sure I've ever encountered this. I've encountered delegates who thought it beyond their mandate to once in a while give a sh--darn about UN proposals, but none that have objected to me have ever spelled it out as offensive because they've devised an alternative method. Now there is the case of feeder delegates or large user created region delegates, which seem to always be too busy to take calls from us UN proposal shmucks--I've seen that firsthand.

Hey, I just wanted to thank you all for your great advice and info, and to thank those who supported the bill. The last time I checked it before it was gone, it had 42 votes; not bad, I guess. I'll remember all the help I got.

Thanks again...
The Feral She Wolf

Oh, and if I want to try it again, though altered quite a bit, are there any rules preventing repeat proposals, or specifying a time limit? Thanks--I didn't find anything saying so in the rules, but I want to be sure.

There's no limit on how many times you can submit a proposal (provided it is legal, of course).
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Not only that, it took about 15 goes to get it to quorum. That was Habeas Corpus, the forum regulars from then will attest to the amount of time it took for that.

Another idea is to keep a list of delegates that approved your proposal, then TG them first when you next submit (if this has been said before, I do apologise). This means you should have a good base to start from next time.

The headline is very important. This one turns me off as too radical and militant. I'd suggest: 'Defining Minimal Standards of Animal Treatment'