NationStates Jolt Archive

... yay or nay!?

Is this in relation to an actual UN proposal? If so, please provide the text of your proposal. If not, could you please go to a forum where such a post would have a use - General, or perhaps Got Issues?.

well i did mean as part of the UN but i havent actually formulated any real proposal. i just wanted to know what people thought! im new to this so i thought before making a proposal it was better to get a bit of "public opinion" so to speak! any ideas would be muchly appreciated.

OOC: Ah, right, okay. Sorry for the cold reception, nothing to do with you.

IC: The Triumvirate of Enn finds this a very divisive issue. While Lady Faren is very much in favour, both Chairwoman Sikura and Chief Justice Loreni are opposed. It would be extremely unlikely for either of them to change their mind, and so you would probably not get support from Enn for any such venture.

Depends what you want with them, of course.

The People's Republic values the privacy of its inhabitants and will protect it when possible. Compulsory ID cards will not get our support.

Vastiva has a three-point system. Each persons ident card is coded to their M-TCOD and their fingerprint (including cellular and oil residues). Depending on security, you need one, two, or all three to make things work.

This has produced a satisfactory level of security, as while a simple "age proof" is given by the ident card, to buy a firearm requires all three - and if they don't match, they all lock up (yes, the ident card does in fact turn into a black piece of plastic, smoulder, and self-incinerates, thank you for asking).

So - tentatively - Vastiva would support an Identity Card resolution.

Sorry, but this is an unacceptable subject for a UN proposal. The desirability or otherwise of ID cards should be left to individual nations to determine for themselves.

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN

Sorry, but this is an unacceptable subject for a UN proposal. The desirability or otherwise of ID cards should be left to individual nations to determine for themselves.

Mathieu Vergniaud
Deputy Speaker to the UN
My thoughts exactly.

Krioval is neutral on this issue, and as such, we would require a strongly written proposal before our support could be given.

The Constitutional Republic does not use ID cards in her borders. As such, compulsory ID's are a tool for the invasion of privacy, and ID's are issued on an as-needed basis to personnel travelling abroad only (for use in foreign territories).

As such, we would be against compulsory ID's to all persons.

In the Republic, all persons are fingerprinted and have their DNA recorded for the need of identity confirmation, should it arise. As these are not applicable to being defrauded as an ID card or form allows.

In the Republic, all persons are fingerprinted and have their DNA recorded for the need of identity confirmation, should it arise. As these are not applicable to being defrauded as an ID card or form allows.

Not to disparage the method, as Krioval finds it reasonable for purposes of identification, but how is collecting one's DNA less an invasion of privacy and an ID card?

Not to disparage the method, as Krioval finds it reasonable for purposes of identification, but how is collecting one's DNA less an invasion of privacy and an ID card?

DNA is collected either at moment of entry or at moment of birth of natural citizens... Such is used for identification purposes persuant to criminal activities.

ID cards allow for the arbitrary singling out of individuals without regards to the individuals in questions rights.. By having a much harder ID form, it is easier for people to protect their identities than what can occur with ID cards... ID cards can be forged, and thus lead to false ID's against innocent citizens... DNA and fingerprint information cannot... It also means ID claims are only persued in the most serious cases. Thus decreasing the chances of innocent citizens for being singled out.

I might add, collection of DNA for ID purposes in criminal cases, requires the same Due Process protections as any other search and seisure order from the Courts.... Whereas ID cards are not afforded this same protection. Thus, it requires either the physical consent of the individual, or an applicalbe order for the court for each ID claim... Thus is far more inline with DP than the violation that occur by combing ID cards...

Kill all humans?

The desirability or otherwise of ID cards should be left to individual nations to determine for themselves.
While the Republic of Yuunli does have compulsory identification cards for all inhabitants, the government believes identification is an issue for individual countries to decide.