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just an observation... don't need to respond if you don't want...

Is it just me, or are there way too many people in the debate threads (i.e. the one's about the resolutions at vote) who claim that this resolution and that resolution infringe on their national sovereignty and their right to make decisions of their own? If that's how you feel, then why join the UN in the first place? I thought it was obvious that UN decisions would affect your government policy! Stop complaining about something you decided.

Ahem. End rant! :D

OOC:

Well, unfortunately this is how governing bodies work. Nations choose to join because they hope that changes will be made that help them for the better, but it is natural to oppose or even complain if you don't get your way. I certainly can't speak for others, but when my little country whines about losing sovereignty or taxing or whatever, it's because I'm RPing. The ambassador I play is just a prick.

However, you are right in that I think some people take this all a little too seriously. It's a game, for pete's sake.

just an observation... don't need to respond if you don't want...

Is it just me, or are there way too many people in the debate threads (i.e. the one's about the resolutions at vote) who claim that this resolution and that resolution infringe on their national sovereignty and their right to make decisions of their own? If that's how you feel, then why join the UN in the first place? I thought it was obvious that UN decisions would affect your government policy! Stop complaining about something you decided.

Ahem. End rant! :D

*claps*

The "OMG national sovereignty" ad naseum is why I generally don't participate in the UN forum, even though I'm a former delegate :(

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Thank You.

It's a game, for pete's sake.
WHAT!? You can't mean it! Say it ain't so!

just an observation... don't need to respond if you don't want...

Is it just me, or are there way too many people in the debate threads (i.e. the one's about the resolutions at vote) who claim that this resolution and that resolution infringe on their national sovereignty and their right to make decisions of their own? If that's how you feel, then why join the UN in the first place? I thought it was obvious that UN decisions would affect your government policy! Stop complaining about something you decided.

Ahem. End rant! :D

Ahem. Begin response. ;)

1. Different people have different ideas about what the true purpose of the UN is. Some think that the UN should deal with humanitarian crises like the real-life UN. Some think that that UN should lay out strict policy guidelines and mandate them so as to improve the member nations whether they want to be improved or not. Some people believe that the purpose of the UN is to promote positive change rather than mandate it. There are a variety of other perspectives as well.

2. The UN does by definition infringe on national sovereignty in terms of your conmtrol of national statistics. I think the larger concern, though, is with the text of the resolution which is a roleplay construct that most people feel obligated to take seriously. Mandated policies truly interfere (in a roleplay sense) with a nation's right to self-determination in many cases. Regardless of whether you think a particular policy is of sufficient moral importance to squash a nation's right to self-determination, you are indeed limiting their freedom. Some don't take limitations on their nation's freedom too kindly, just as many other on this forum do not take kindly to limitations on a person's freedom. :)

3. People don't always join the UN because they really want to. For some, it's out of obligation to their region. And when these people join the UN, they understandably want to limit what they see as the negative influences the UN will have on them while still maintaining their other in-game obligations.