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Anyone think the sex indrusty workers act is kinda stragne? I mean the UN already went through this once with the Legalise Prostitution Resoultion, Then it was repealed. So isnt the sex indrusty workers act in violoation of the repeal of the Legalise Prostution Act? THerefore shouldnt it be repealed as well??

PS- There is currently a proposed resoultion repealing the Sex workers act.

No - the first resolution was debated and decided to be too weak and inexact. So it was repealed, and the new legislation added.

The repeal has no effect on anything but that which it repealed.

Occasionally a member would like to modify or enhance an earlier resolution, and the only way to do this under the current rules is to repeal the earlier resolution and draft a completely new resolution to replace the old one.

You can't be in violation of a repeal. Once something is repealed, it's not effective anymore, thereby wiping the slate clean on the issue. That includes a new resolution (such as the Sex Industry Workers Act).

Anyone think the sex indrusty workers act is kinda stragne?

No, not at all. Legal prostitution has greatly enhanced living conditions in Groot Gouda, as well as other nations within the UN.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.

Yet another example of UN leftist influence.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.
"Money" and "property" are human inventions. The 'laws of nature' don't prevent prostitution from occuring, (Tab 'A' does indeed fit into Slot 'B'), therefore your objection is meaningless.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.

Yet another example of UN leftist influence.

Prostitution is pretty much capitalistic in existance, in that a person is in possession of their own body, and may do with it in any such way they wish.. Including the ability to sell aspects of this "property" to others...

Therefore it is most certainly "Leftist" in sociological principles, and heavily "Rightist" in economic principles. And in line with the proper course of libertine development.

The dictation of restrictions upon the individual by the government in power, upon what a person may do with their property, is most certainly Tyrannical Communism.

It is at this point, that the Constitutional Republic wishes that, from now on, the self-labled "Moral Majority" and "Conservative Christian" movements, be placed in their proper category; and be grouped with Statist Communism where it rightly belongs. Since they obviously consider the populace to be the property of the state; and work towards this "better good"... Thus, the difference between the tyranical communist regimes, and that of the "Moral MAjority" is thus a difference of theological ideals only; and not one of any political differentiation.

Tekania has hit the nail on the head. If individuals own their own bodies, they have every right to rent it out if they choose.

We will not support any attempt to repeal this legislation.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.

Yet another example of UN leftist influence.


The law of nature: the strongest survive. Not to mention many animals rape eachother. You don't want that to happen, do you? Therefor, we must legalize prostitution.

The law of nature: the strongest survive. Not to mention many animals rape eachother. You don't want that to happen, do you? Therefor, we must legalize prostitution.

Hmmm. Let's re-examine this.

Premise 1: The law of nature: the strongest survive
Premise 2: many animals rape each other
Premise 3: You don't want that to happen, do you?

Therefore

Conclusion: we must legalize prostitution

I'm really straining to see how you got that conclusion from your premises. I don't see that you've demonstrated any logical necessity at all. :confused:

I might try to enact legislation to repeal this sex workers legislation act. If i get enough support i will.

I dont this prostitution is a way of life. I think its demeaning towards women because they dont have money they must sell themselves and be at the mercy of men who rape and physically hurt them as well as emotionally.

I hope i do get enough support if u would swupport such a repeal plz post it here.

I might try to enact legislation to repeal this sex workers legislation act. If i get enough support i will.

I dont this prostitution is a way of life. I think its demeaning towards women because they dont have money they must sell themselves and be at the mercy of men who rape and physically hurt them as well as emotionally.

I hope i do get enough support if u would swupport such a repeal plz post it here.

You seem to not have read the Resolution itself... Which is bad form for wanting to "repeal".

First of all, in requires that this industry "coincide with regulation from the government..." this turns it into a proper industry as any other. And subject to the same controls, worker protections, union protection, and the like, as all other forms of industry.

It also requires regulation of the enviroment at which this takes place.

And presses states who wish to control such, to do so through "grass roots" campaigns, tackling it at the educational and social level.

Since the process only allows for women of concentual and informed age to work in the profession, and that it is a normalized industry, as any other. Then in no way is anyone "forced" into said indsutry against their will. And being provided with the same protections and safety regulations as all other industries (including the principle of unions); then it cannot be as you claim.

Hmmm. Let's re-examine this.

Premise 1: The law of nature: the strongest survive
Premise 2: many animals rape each other
Premise 3: You don't want that to happen, do you?

Therefore

Conclusion: we must legalize prostitution

I'm really straining to see how you got that conclusion from your premises. I don't see that you've demonstrated any logical necessity at all. :confused:

That's not what he meant. It means the argument "prostitution is against the law of nature" is invalid. If you want to strictly follow the laws of nature, the goal is to pass on as many of your genes to the next generation as possible, by whatever means necessary- including rape. In fact, if you do follow the laws of nature, then prostitution makes perfect sense because it's an excellent way to have numerous children.

I might try to enact legislation to repeal this sex workers legislation act. If i get enough support i will.

I dont this prostitution is a way of life. I think its demeaning towards women because they dont have money they must sell themselves and be at the mercy of men who rape and physically hurt them as well as emotionally.

I hope i do get enough support if u would swupport such a repeal plz post it here.

_Myopia_ finds it demeaning to all sapient beings that a government would seek to assert that its citizens' bodies were not theirs to do whatever they liked with them (short of infringing on the rights of others, of course).

If poverty is so bad in your nation that women are being forced into prostitution, we suggest you re-think your economic and welfare systems. If rapes and other non-consensual physical attacks are occuring against prostitutes, we suggest you improve your policing of assualt.

That's not what he meant. It means the argument "prostitution is against the law of nature" is invalid. If you want to strictly follow the laws of nature, the goal is to pass on as many of your genes to the next generation as possible, by whatever means necessary- including rape. In fact, if you do follow the laws of nature, then prostitution makes perfect sense because it's an excellent way to have numerous children.

I knew damn well what he meant. I was obliquely prompting him to restate his argument because it was poorly stated. Even a good argument is ineffective if poorly stated. (Hence my inclusion of a basic structure for him to copy in the post.)

If he doesn't put his argument in a way that people can understand easily, then it's likely that his argument will get lost in the shuffle of debate and never serve its purpose of providing helpful information and insight. I would prefer that the argument not be lost in the shuffle of debate. :)

I might try to enact legislation to repeal this sex workers legislation act. If i get enough support i will.

You won't, this resolution passed with a 4000-vote difference. You'd better put your effort in something constructive like a new resolution on another subject.

I dont this prostitution is a way of life. I think its demeaning towards women because they dont have money they must sell themselves and be at the mercy of men who rape and physically hurt them as well as emotionally.

It appears you have some inadequate policies and views in your nation. As long as you don't fix those, it is unwise to even think about legislation about prostitution.

I hope i do get enough support if u would swupport such a repeal plz post it here.

You're better work on your spelling, too, before submitting a resolution.

I knew damn well what he meant. I was obliquely prompting him to restate his argument because it was poorly stated. Even a good argument is ineffective if poorly stated. (Hence my inclusion of a basic structure for him to copy in the post.)

If he doesn't put his argument in a way that people can understand easily, then it's likely that his argument will get lost in the shuffle of debate and never serve its purpose of providing helpful information and insight. I would prefer that the argument not be lost in the shuffle of debate. :)

Oh. Carry on then. :D

I might try to enact legislation to repeal this sex workers legislation act. If i get enough support i will.

I dont this prostitution is a way of life. I think its demeaning towards women because they dont have money they must sell themselves and be at the mercy of men who rape and physically hurt them as well as emotionally.

I hope i do get enough support if u would swupport such a repeal plz post it here.

Our average prostitute makes twice the national average income. So I hardly see how "poverty" enters into it.

Considering the licensing, the education, and the inspections involved, it is hardly a career one would go into lightly. However, should one decide to "do with themselves as others wish", they are quite able to do so.

If you believe it's demeaning - that's nice. Particularly as you have no proof, only empty words.

As to "at the mercy of men who rape and physically hurt them as well as emotionally" - Who? Do point out these people. We feed Pimps to the sharks.

No, not at all. Legal prostitution has greatly enhanced living conditions in Groot Gouda, as well as other nations within the UN.

*Guffaw*
I agree with this claim! Prostitution gives people a certain 'hand' in 'lifting' their 'spirits', if you catch my drift.

Who cares if the workers in the sex industry want an act of their very own?
They are people too! I say just give then the act and let the issue go!

I knew damn well what he meant. I was obliquely prompting him to restate his argument because it was poorly stated. Even a good argument is ineffective if poorly stated. (Hence my inclusion of a basic structure for him to copy in the post.)

And your posting isn't poorly stated?

If he doesn't put his argument in a way that people can understand easily, then it's likely that his argument will get lost in the shuffle of debate and never serve its purpose of providing helpful information and insight. I would prefer that the argument not be lost in the shuffle of debate. :)

If you're unable to understand easily what I've posted, I suggest to take an English course or two.

And your posting isn't poorly stated?

If you're unable to understand easily what I've posted, I suggest to take an English course or two.

Not only is the horse dead, but it's starting to smell. REALLY bad. So stop flogging it.

(I should note that, if the dead horse wants to be payed or to pay to flog people, or to be flogged, then I believe that is that horse's right.)

prostitution has been legal in Kirisubo for well over 400 years and was still legal for 500 years in the various province states that eventually made up the empire.

lately the government has taken a more active part in regulating the industry so that the women involved are protected from STD's, violence and exploitive mama sans. they can also get free treatment and birth control.

since the horse is very dead i'll check my deck of cards...


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a word from the (semi) wise: dont repeal this resolution unless you can handle multiple insults, your character stripped to the flesh and the mother of all shouting downs, because that usually happens after someone puts in their topic 'repeal sex workers act'.

off topic: wb Vas, long time no see. glad they let you back in

_Myopia_ finds it demeaning to all sapient beings that a government would seek to assert that its citizens' bodies were not theirs to do whatever they liked with them (short of infringing on the rights of others, of course).

We rise in objection to this statement. HOCEK teachings make plain the self-evident truth that a person's body is not their own, but rather it belongs to its Creator, Who will demand an account of its usage. Our rights to our bodies are not those of possession, but rather of stewardship. Not to ourselves alone, but to our families, neighbors and fellow beings. To that end, it is right and proper for duly instituted governments to restrict self- and socially-destructive behaviors such as prostitution.

We rise in objection to this statement. HOCEK teachings make plain the self-evident truth that a person's body is not their own, but rather it belongs to its Creator, Who will demand an account of its usage. Our rights to our bodies are not those of possession, but rather of stewardship. Not to ourselves alone, but to our families, neighbors and fellow beings. To that end, it is right and proper for duly instituted governments to restrict self- and socially-destructive behaviors such as prostitution.
and so far the resolution has stood up against evey religious challenge. also, it is simple, if your people are so devout, there wouldnt bee any sex industry now would there.

We rise in objection to this statement. HOCEK teachings make plain the self-evident truth that a person's body is not their own, but rather it belongs to its Creator, Who will demand an account of its usage. Our rights to our bodies are not those of possession, but rather of stewardship. Not to ourselves alone, but to our families, neighbors and fellow beings. To that end, it is right and proper for duly instituted governments to restrict self- and socially-destructive behaviors such as prostitution.

Those of us in _Myopia_ who are religious tend to feel that following the principles of our religions is far more meaningful when it is done purely out of personal choice. It takes far more dedication and strength to live by your beliefs if there isn't someone enforcing them for you.

off topic: wb Vas, long time no see. glad they let you back in(Sigh) Have you checked the dates on any of these posts? This is a gravedig.

We rise in objection to this statement. HOCEK teachings make plain the self-evident truth that a person's body is not their own, but rather it belongs to its Creator, Who will demand an account of its usage. Our rights to our bodies are not those of possession, but rather of stewardship. Not to ourselves alone, but to our families, neighbors and fellow beings. To that end, it is right and proper for duly instituted governments to restrict self- and socially-destructive behaviors such as prostitution.

Zell Miller: [speech during Justice Sunday] Isn't it strange that a government requires a no-smoking sign around gas pumps to remind us of that danger, but then thinks we don't need to be reminded of the danger of living a sinful life?
Jon Stewart: You know I...
[shakes head]
Jon Stewart: I gotta say, I think it's the way it should be. No-smoking signs by gas stations, no religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth and that's pretty much it.

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Heh. Funny. Nonetheless, this is not an international issue. Nor is gay marriage, abortion, media rights, recognition of sapience -- or divorce, for that matter.

If the Eternal Kawaii wants to ban prostitution, if Vitalina wants to ban gay marriage, if The English Union wants to outlaw abortion, it does not affect me. Why do we even give some of these topics the respect of discussion in these hallowed halls?! The United Nations should restrict itself to issues that cross borders, and that's it.

I'm sure even Jon Stewart would agree.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.

Yet another example of UN leftist influence.
Well... i dont like prostitution but laws of nature? What excactly do you mean by Laws of nature.

Heh. Funny. Nonetheless, this is not an international issue. Nor is gay marriage, abortion, media rights, recognition of sapience -- or divorce, for that matter.

If the Eternal Kawaii wants to ban prostitution, if Vitalina wants to ban gay marriage, if The English Union wants to outlaw abortion, it does not affect me. Why do we even give some of these topics the respect of discussion in these hallowed halls?! The United Nations should restrict itself to issues that cross borders, and that's it.

I'm sure even Jon Stewart would agree.

You see, here's where we disagree. I don't think that Nations have the right to do whatever they want. I don't think anyone or anything has the right to do whatever they or it wants. Yes, this includes the UN. Thus, I don't believe that we should sit idly by if some other state is abusing its citizens. Certainly, we can't help all of them, we can't protect from all forms of abuse, there will always be a loophole, there will always be the non-members, there will always be those that I disagree with, and it doesn't have a major impact upon my citizens. However, I believe that since I have the power to help people, I should do everything in my power to help those people, no matter what the benefit or lackthereof is to me. Yeah, sure, this probably makes me righteous, but I would rather be righteous than to watch these people suffer when I had a chance to prevent it.

And actually, I'm not sure whether Jon Stewart would agree or not - especially since he is an advocate for rights.

It is important whilst we debate the overall morality of prostitution that we weigh up to very important factors:

Firstly, we should recognise that the individual, having the right to control their health and body, unless their actions act seriously to the contrary of the general well-being of society, is entitiled to use it for whatever purpose they consent to. Prostitution is obviously difficult to define as to whether it is moral or not, but I would say that it is more a personal issue of choice, as it is usually a private transaction between individuals and is conducted as a matter of business, which can be considered like any other such transaction.

Yet, we must secondly recognise that there must be stringent measures against abuse, so that those that cannot consent, or are forced to consent, or whom work under working conditions detrimental to their health and those of their clients and whom may, additionally, be ill-treated by their employees. We should be consistent and allow all the rights of ordinary workers to apply to them and use legalisation as a means to tackle abuse, improve health and safety in the trade and end the shadow market of trafficking that leads to so much suffering.

For these reasons, we would support a "Sex Workers Act".

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

P.S. As for Jon Stewart agreeing or not, then really I can only say that whatever his verdict, as a man who has worked in (by his own description) "New Yorks largest crack-whore district", it shall be based on first hand experience.

And actually, I'm not sure whether Jon Stewart would agree or not - especially since he is an advocate for rights.Oh, I see: Just because someone is an "advocate of rights," that must mean he supports UN interference!

"Rights" on their own are no impetus for UN involvement, you know: The UN's purpose to improve the world, one resolution at a time, and to me that means sticking to global issues; and when the UN does purport to interfere in the internal affairs of member states, it better have a damn good reason for it. Proposals seeking to infringe on sovereignty should make a clear, convincing and compelling case for international action, and the desire to protect some arbitrary right of people to sell their bodies is no such case in my book. An issue's mere ability to tug at your heart strings (in this case, I suppose, those poor despondent street walkers) just doesn't cut it as just cause for intervention.

Your belief that nations do not have a right to do as they please certainly does not mean that the United Nations should interfere whenever and wherever. And your disprespect for the NatSov line certainly doesn't invalidate arguments that rely upon it.

For these reasons, we would support a "Sex Workers Act".That's good, considering it already exists (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=8134803#post8134803). ...

That's good, considering it already exists. ...

We were aware of that and were just stating our position for the sake of clarity.

May the blessings of our otters be upon you.

Leonard Otterby
Ambassador for the Republic of Compadria to the U.N.

You see, I don't see prostitution as an area that a nation has the right to ban - same as same-sex marriage. Abortion I'm borderline under certain cases (Waterana's replacement draft pretty much cleaned up those cases for me). Passive Euthanasia I think should be a guaranteed right - though I'm undecided on Active Euthanasia. I don't support these positions because of the heartstrings they pull but what I believe is the right of the citizen - things I see as so important that they should be guaranteed. I don't believe that the UN should not be allowed to interfere in National matters nor do I believe that National governments should not be allowed to interfere in provincial governments. There are actions I don't believe any government should be allowed to take, and that's why I support those resolutions and the positions held by them at the international level.

HIrota continues to remain opposed to the spirit of the resolution, but generally remains neutral as Hirota can accomplish it's policy on this matter regardless

We find it immoral that a nation should benefit from sexual exploitation. INstead of criminals profitting, we have the state proffiting. Is it really so much better?

The only reason prostitution exists is because of economic difficulty. If measures are made to rehab and give opportunities to victims, then they have a chance to escape.

However, ultimately, Hirota finds it immoral for the perpetrators of sexual exploitation to remain unpunished. However, whilst this resolution allows people to sell themselves, there is no legislation to permit the purchasing of sexual services. Which is why Hirota follows the RL Swedish model - In Sweden it is legal to sell sex, but not to buy it.

This fits with the letter of the existing proposal, and ensures Hirota takes a moral stand on sexual exploitation.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.

Yet another example of UN leftist influence.

Your sentence, and meaning are completly without foundation and are baseless. Someone selling their body for sex is not owning someone's body. There is a difference. Paying for sex does not mean that the person buying the sex is the new owner of the person who is selling the sex. That would be slavery. Hence slavery is illegal.

Now, here is the commensense reasoning. Selling things is legal. Having sex is legal. So therefore, selling sex should be legal. It should not be illegal to sell something that is perfectly legal to give away. It does not make any sense to illegalize sex.

As for it being against the laws of nature, you are mistaken again. How can using your own body in a way which you desire be against nature? Nature does not dictate how you are supposed to use your body. That decision is left to you. Prostitution has been a common place staple in life for thousands of years. Prostitution was even common place and accepted in biblical times.

Some research on your part would do great things to your statements in making them at least close to the factual foundations of truth.
As for your statement that this is another example of UN leftist influence, you are again mistaken and your statement there is without foundation and is baseless. If the UN was being leftist about this issue, they would make Prostitution illegal, therefore taking a persons rights from them.

You see, here's where we disagree. I don't think that Nations have the right to do whatever they want. I don't think anyone or anything has the right to do whatever they or it wants. Yes, this includes the UN. Thus, I don't believe that we should sit idly by if some other state is abusing its citizens. Certainly, we can't help all of them, we can't protect from all forms of abuse, there will always be a loophole, there will always be the non-members, there will always be those that I disagree with, and it doesn't have a major impact upon my citizens. However, I believe that since I have the power to help people, I should do everything in my power to help those people, no matter what the benefit or lackthereof is to me. Yeah, sure, this probably makes me righteous, but I would rather be righteous than to watch these people suffer when I had a chance to prevent it.

And actually, I'm not sure whether Jon Stewart would agree or not - especially since he is an advocate for rights.

Well then if you believe that noone or anything has the right to do what it or they want then that would mean that all wild and domestic animals in your nation are kept in cages and feed, bathed, and groomed under strict schedules and maintained to the letter. That would also mean that all the citizens of your nation are also kept under the same conditions of the animals in your nation. In addition, according to your own words and beliefs, You, have no right to interfere in any governments issues or regulations regarding it's own citizens and nation. As such, you are against and are violating every single human and animal rights resolutions and laws that have been enacted since the start of Governement. Also, you, according to your own words and beliefs you are a dictator. As such, the UN and every nation that is a member should unilaterly and almost by the majority vote to initiate military action against your nation to free all animals and humans living in your nation as the laws and regulations regarding human and animal rights have and are being violated to the letter by your government.

United specopscom, you could have just edited the post instead of deleting it

We rise in objection to this statement. HOCEK teachings make plain the self-evident truth that a person's body is not their own, but rather it belongs to its Creator, Who will demand an account of its usage. Our rights to our bodies are not those of possession, but rather of stewardship. Not to ourselves alone, but to our families, neighbors and fellow beings. To that end, it is right and proper for duly instituted governments to restrict self- and socially-destructive behaviors such as prostitution.

You rise in objection to that statement? Really? Why? What basis and foundation do you have to object to that statement? So far you have given no reason. The self-evident truth as you so put it is purely and factually mistaken. A persons body is their own to do with as they see fit. That is the self-evident truth in this matter. God created us in his own image yes, but he also gave us the reasoning and the ability to decide and do for ourselves. That includes using our bodies as we see fit. So therefore, I just drove a huge hole the size of a Sun right through your statement now didn't I.

How can prostitution be a sefl and socailly distructive behavior? Would you rather have men go out and pay for sex with a woman who is completly willing, or would you rather have that man go out and rape a woman for the sex he desires as there is noone willing around? I think we both know the answer to that don't we. As for it being socially destructive, it is such only if you let it be such. You have to enact laws that regulate the act of prostitution. Such as, taxing it, instituting mandatory physical examinations that check for health and sexually transmitted diseases. Provide health care locations, and provide retirement programs such as a 401k or along those lines to prostitutes. Provide health coverage such as Medicare or Medicaid. If you combine all those items together, you get a socially profitable and safe trade. As support for my statements, let me state this fact. Prostitution has been and is the 2nd or 3rd oldest profession in the world. It has lasted longer than 97% of all other professions. As such there is a socially based demand for it.

You rise in objection to that statement? Really? Why? What basis and foundation do you have to object to that statement?

Their religion.

United specopscom, you could have just edited the post instead of deleting it

Yes. That is true, but I actually deleted it because I had posted the same post twice. I mistakenly clicked to many times, I edited the second post.

Their religion.

I don't see that, that was or is a viable reason to object to the statement, according to his own statement.

OOC: Forgive my spelling errors earlier please. I just woke up and have only had one cup of coffee. I am still a little groggy.

We rise in objection to this statement. HOCEK teachings make plain the self-evident truth that a person's body is not their own, but rather it belongs to its Creator, Who will demand an account of its usage.

Seems pretty clear to me.

I don't see it. I see a belief, and a indication of an cult, but I see no religious indications in his statement..

I don't see it. I see a belief, and a indication of an cult, but I see no religious indications in his statement..
You do realise you've just insulted the State Religion of The Eternal Kawaii, right?

You do realise you've just insulted the State Religion of The Eternal Kawaii, right?
oh dear they are in trouble....

No I see no insult to anyone. In addition if what I stated is taken as an insult then, my statement was misinterpeted.
There was no intention on my part to insult anyone or any nation or religion.

Is Prostitution legal according to the UN or is it illegal? I don't even know.

No I see no insult to anyone. In addition if what I stated is taken as an insult then, my statement was misinterpeted.
There was no intention on my part to insult anyone or any nation or religion.
So you don't see that calling someone's religion 'belief, and a indication of an cult' as offensive?

And prostitution is legal and protected by the UN.

Rose,
UN representative,
The Black New World

You do realise you've just insulted the State Religion of The Eternal Kawaii, right?

We do not declare Our nation insulted by the representative of United specopscom. One merely needs to see their own words to judge the source of their commentary:

How can prostitution be a sefl and socailly distructive behavior? Would you rather have men go out and pay for sex with a woman who is completly willing, or would you rather have that man go out and rape a woman for the sex he desires as there is noone willing around?

A nation whose people believe that rape is a logical solution when sex is otherwise unobtainable is a nation whose people have no self-control of their bodies, minds or spirits. Therefore the nation of United specopscom cannot insult Us--it is impossible to be insulted by the actions of animals.

OK, so on the one hand, United specopscom attacks Forgottenlord for saying nations do not have the right to do as they please, but on the other, he attacks The Eternal Kawaii for opposing this resolution. Is he in favor of UN interference here or isn't he? Color me confused.

Well then if you believe that noone or anything has the right to do what it or they want then that would mean that all wild and domestic animals in your nation are kept in cages and feed, bathed, and groomed under strict schedules and maintained to the letter.

*groans*

I'm not saying they can't do anything. I said that they can't do whatever they want. I believe they have responsbilities and restrictions upon what they can and cannot do. Your analogy is totally ludicrous and shows an utter lack of understanding or logic - which also was quite evident in your response to TEK who, despite being my natural opponent on a extensive number of resolutions, I have great respect for.

I don't see it. I see a belief, and a indication of an cult, but I see no religious indications in his statement..

A cult IS a religion. The difference between a cult and a religion is that a religion is widely accepted while a cult has a select few followers. When an entire government not only recognizes but FOLLOWS said "cult", I'm pretty ****ing sure that you're looking at a religion. Religion in NS isn't just the major ones you see in real life, it includes many that have been defined and - as you were pointing out to me on a different thread - ROLE PLAYED as the national or major religion. TEK has put in extensive effort developing her religion and not only is it rather insulting that failed to recognize it, but you also failed to understand some fundamental concepts of roleplay.

actually, quite a lot of cults are actually different points of views on an existing relgion. thats how christanity and islam were founded.

No, not at all. Legal prostitution has greatly enhanced living conditions in Groot Gouda, as well as other nations within the UN.
It's been quite the opposite in James xenoland. We still now have major problems with sexual abuse, physical abuse, sexual slavery, organized crime and sexually transmitted diseases. All problems that we've never had nor experienced before in these numbers, if at all.

A problem that has only got much worse under "The Sex Industry Worker Act."

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A nation whose people believe that rape is a logical solution when sex is otherwise unobtainable is a nation whose people have no self-control of their bodies, minds or spirits. Therefore the nation of United specopscom cannot insult Us--it is impossible to be insulted by the actions of animals.

It's been quite the opposite in James xenoland. We still now have major problems with sexual abuse, physical abuse, sexual slavery, organized crime and sexually transmitted diseases. All problems that we've never had nor experienced before in these numbers, if at all.

The Light of Heaven feels for your citizens, then, who are unable to rely on their government for protection against violence and disease. I find it difficult to believe that legalizing and regulating prostitution in a given nation has no effect on crime associated with prostitution. Please tell me that your government did not simply declare prostitution legal and fling the brothel doors open without first passing some sort of regulatory legislation first.

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クリオヴァル

Yoshi Takahara
Krioval

The Light of Heaven feels for your citizens, then, who are unable to rely on their government for protection against violence and disease. I find it difficult to believe that legalizing and regulating prostitution in a given nation has no effect on crime associated with prostitution. Please tell me that your government did not simply declare prostitution legal and fling the brothel doors open without first passing some sort of regulatory legislation first.
Nay. It doesn't take too much rational to realize that legalizing sexual slavery or "prostitution" if you like, (I.e. the "sex industry") is a really bad idea and only going to result in a whole series of new problems.

I should also add on a somewhat related note that we've also seen an increase in drug trafficking, selling and abuse associated with these horrible piece's of legislation, in addition to all the other stuff listed in my last post. As the same type of scum that would associate themselves with the "sex industry" are also some of the same people behind the illegal drug industry... Who would of thought? :rolleyes:

The Light of Heaven feels for your citizens, then, who are unable to rely on their government for protection against violence and disease. I find it difficult to believe that legalizing and regulating prostitution in a given nation has no effect on crime associated with prostitution. Please tell me that your government did not simply declare prostitution legal and fling the brothel doors open without first passing some sort of regulatory legislation first.

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クリオヴァル

Yoshi Takahara
Krioval

*suspects that Xenoland has a different concept of what scope regulation should indicate.

There are truly thousands of ways to implement the resolution. Some of them make the problem much worse as law enforcement is merely removed from the picture altogether - sure there might be regulation, but every nation has a different belief in what it means to "regulate" an industry. All sorts of issues could easily come up in different economic and social situations even if the laws are implemented the same way. To merely look at one's results and say "oh, you must not be doing this" is to fail to understand some fundamental differences. Heck, corruption in officials means that every single possible bonus from the regulation dissintigrates

That said, that is not to say that James Xenoland's system is not flawed, and I would be interested in reviewing it and seeing if my nation's specialists cannot offer advice on how to possibly help some of those issues. Like Groot Gouda, the Empire of Forgottenlands and the Colony of Forgottenlands UN have both seen positive results - and the Empire of Forgottenlands regularly is listed as the safest nation in the United Nations of Aberdeen with near 0 crime rate. The Armed Republic of Angel Fire, due to its personal situation, has not seen such positive results, though it did both now and before rank as one of the least safe nations in the United Nations of Aberdeen.

Nay. It doesn't take too much rational to realize that legalizing sexual slavery or "prostitution" if you like, (I.e. the "sex industry") is a really bad idea and only going to result in a whole series of new problems.

Might I ask why your government does not arrest the drug sellers or force those running or involved in the business to have a government licence? That you seem to have all these problems since suggest that your government has made a mess of things or had these problems before

Done properly, it should have brought human rights to the workers, kept people healthy, stopped abused and so on. I also wouldn't call most people who work in the industry that is legal as scum. Mostly they are just people who either enjoy selling their body or need a good way out of poverty.

That you never had these problems before may be more that you failed to pick these things up till recently so I will say well done for managing to work out the problems in your country.

Sun Loyalds
Un diplomat for Cuation

Mostly they are just people who either enjoy selling their body or need a good way out of poverty. The proportion who enjoy it are likely to be minute, and there are always better ways to get out of proverty if your government does a decent job.

Forgive me, but I believe you mistaken in your thoughts. Not being able to do whatever they want is the same thing as not being able to do anything. You have spoken the same statement twice now, but you did use different words. However, the meaning behind those two statements of your, is clear to all who read them. I did understand the meaning behind your two statements. The words you used were both clear and to the point. The statements were direct.

As such, either you meant exactly what you stated, or you have not spoken your point clearly enough to be understood correctly. In which case, please re-write your statements to indicate your true belief. Otherwise, I will have no choice to take yous statements in the way that they were intended and as such my understanding and logic in seeing the meaning behind those statements is absolutly correct.

The proportion who enjoy it are likely to be minute, and there are always better ways to get out of proverty if your government does a decent job.

My mistake, I do apolgise and retract that remark. Sadly for Cuation, in some places it is the best way to escape but we are working on the problem. Might I ask why some people in your nation are in this line of work? Unlesss nobody does that in your land

Sun Loyalds
Diplomat

My mistake, I do apolgise and retract that remark. Sadly for Cuation, in some places it is the best way to escape but we are working on the problem. Might I ask why some people in your nation are in this line of work? Unlesss nobody does that in your land

Sun Loyalds
Diplomat

It's not a hugely successful business in Hirota considering that we arrest anyone found to be purchasing services. Selling is fine, buying is not. It does tend to have implications with prostitution not really being the cash cow people would think. Thus many prostitutes and brothels tend to leave the profession after reporting net losses on their fiscal reports.

Hirota has a reasonably low unemployment rate (3.43% at the moment), so our welfare system is not seriously burdened. Indeed, since we privatised the system we have not had to worry about it at all.

Forgive me, but I believe you mistaken in your thoughts. Not being able to do whatever they want is the same thing as not being able to do anything. You have spoken the same statement twice now, but you did use different words. However, the meaning behind those two statements of your, is clear to all who read them. I did understand the meaning behind your two statements. The words you used were both clear and to the point. The statements were direct.

As such, either you meant exactly what you stated, or you have not spoken your point clearly enough to be understood correctly. In which case, please re-write your statements to indicate your true belief. Otherwise, I will have no choice to take yous statements in the way that they were intended and as such my understanding and logic in seeing the meaning behind those statements is absolutly correct.

I felt my statements were clear and you remain the only person who has interpreted them as not being so clear (Kenny certainly seemed to have no problem understanding them), but allow me to use an example.

Anarchy is a system of government where the government does not make any laws per-se and lets its citizens do pretty much whatever they want. It is founded pretty much on the belief that no one should have any right to tell anyone else what they can and cannot do. In that case, absolutely every citizen can do whatever they want. As soon as you remove one of those rights, they can't do whatever they want. Certainly, they can do a lot of things and still have a lot of freedoms, but they can't do whatever they want because if they do that one thing, they will get in trouble. In most nations, murder is illegal. That means that you can't do whatever you want because if you want to kill someone, you can't. THAT'S what I mean by my statement.

Prostitution is against the laws of nature.
No one has the right to own somone elses body.

Yet another example of UN leftist influence.

Paying PERSON A for the temporary use of PERSON A's body is not the same as owning it. She/he has a right to refuse consent at any time. Anyone who thinks otherwise should be beaten up with very large sticks, as you're right, no-one has a right to own someone else's body.

Pimps should be hit with very large sticks.