NationStates Jolt Archive


Regluate Explicit Videos?

The Planet Federation
16-04-2005, 01:39
Is there a currently a Un resoultion or any pendings resoultion that will regulate the sale and distribution of explict and pornograpic videos?
Krioval
16-04-2005, 02:00
None I can think of.
Deus Imperius
16-04-2005, 02:23
why should there be, its actually a legitamate business isnt it? Or are you refering to illegal pornographic material (i.e. kiddy porn)?
The Planet Federation
16-04-2005, 03:10
Im referring to the regulation of sale and the regulation of materials that can be for sale. Im currently drafting a possible resolution on this matter which i will post at a later date in this thread.
The Planet Federation
16-04-2005, 03:22
Pornographic Regulation Act

Moral Decency
Strength-Strong

The Federation of Planets Urges Delegates to Consider the following.---The immediate regualtion and restriction on the pornographic world.

Article 1-Sexually Explicit Material of any kind may only be sold with the consent of all parties in the film or said material. They must be of legal age of 18 years old. And be aware of the possible risks of performing sexual contact without the use of forms of protection.

Article 2-Any parties in said sexually explicit material must be acting on there own free will and mist give legal consent to the distribution of said material. This consent must be in wirting.

Article 3- Any comapany wishing to sell sexually explicit material must have an area dedicated just to this said materal and it must only be viewed by citizens 18 and over.

Article 4- Any person wishing to buy sexually explicit material must be 18 years or older and have 1 form of I.D to verify there age status.

Article 5- Any forms of child pornography are strictly phrobihited even if both parties give consent and there leegal guardians agree to such materials being videotaped.

Article 6- Any buisness subject to selling explicit materials must be treated fairly under the protection of this act and will pay no additonal tax or charge to sell these materials.

We the people of The Planet Federation can no longer allow the Porno indrusty to go unregulated we are sick and tired of our children comming home at age 5 with a far to fast knowledge of sexually explicit content. We urge the UN to pass this bill for the betterment of society and the protection of our childern.
DemonLordEnigma
16-04-2005, 03:33
Pornographic Regulation Act

Moral Decency
Strength-Strong

The Federation of Planets Urges Delegates to Consider the following.---The immediate regualtion and restriction on the pornographic world.

Which isn't going to be popular with certain members because of freedom of speech and others because of the money made from it.

Article 1-Sexually Explicit Material of any kind may only be sold with the consent of all parties in the film or said material. They must be of legal age of 18 years old. And be aware of the possible risks of performing sexual contact without the use of forms of protection.

Which, naturally, needs to be altered to take into consideration the differences between cultures and species when it comes to maturity.

Article 2-Any parties in said sexually explicit material must be acting on there own free will and mist give legal consent to the distribution of said material. This consent must be in wirting.

So a director can't be giving them cues and directions? Well, there goes a lot of porn. Also, what about animated porn? Or computer characters involved in porn?

Article 3- Any comapany wishing to sell sexually explicit material must have an area dedicated just to this said materal and it must only be viewed by citizens 18 and over.

Once again, age issue. Plus, some of us don't view it as objectionable enough to isolate the magazines from where children can see the cover.

Article 4- Any person wishing to buy sexually explicit material must be 18 years or older and have 1 form of I.D to verify there age status.

Age issues, once again.

Article 5- Any forms of child pornography are strictly phrobihited even if both parties give consent and there leegal guardians agree to such materials being videotaped.

This is already covered.

Article 6- Any buisness subject to selling explicit materials must be treated fairly under the protection of this act and will pay no additonal tax or charge to sell these materials.

I like this one.

We the people of The Planet Federation can no longer allow the Porno indrusty to go unregulated we are sick and tired of our children comming home at age 5 with a far to fast knowledge of sexually explicit content. We urge the UN to pass this bill for the betterment of society and the protection of our childern.

A little secret: The reason why kids are being so curious about it in your nation is the big deal you make of it. If you don't make a big deal of it, they'll go to the natural reaction (at that age) of being grossed out or not understanding and move on. Make it a point to educate your kids on it from an early age and you'll find it won't interest them as much at those young ages. And, really, all you're doing with this bill is encouraging their curiousity by making it a big deal in the UN's eyes, which won't actually better your society.
Krioval
16-04-2005, 05:32
Krioval's economy is extremely strong for a good reason. We don't impose unnecessary regulations on industry and trade. If people want to purchase pornography, they are allowed to do so. Should the markets shift away from such items, sales will fall and shops will close down. The attitude toward sex and sexuality in Krioval is very open - few adults will knowingly lie or misrepresent facts on the issue of sex even when dealing with young children. As such, young children tend to not ask questions as frequently in places with repressive sexual policies. Truth is, the kids don't want the "whole long lecture" on the subject, which is what they know they'll get from a Kriovalian adult.

I agree with DLE that all businesses should be treated equally no matter what they sell, so long as their sales are legal.

Director Koro Vartek
Diplomacy and Trade
Armed Republic of Krioval
Vastiva
16-04-2005, 09:51
How sweet, fresh meat....

And a spellcheck would be a good idea.


Pornographic Regulation Act

Moral Decency
Strength-Strong

The Federation of Planets Urges Delegates to Consider the following.---The immediate regualtion and restriction on the pornographic world.

*looks over his portfolio* Uhm "Hell No"?



Article 1-Sexually Explicit Material of any kind may only be sold with the consent of all parties in the film or said material. They must be of legal age of 18 years old. And be aware of the possible risks of performing sexual contact without the use of forms of protection.


Our age of consent is fifteen, and we instruct in what you would consider "sex education" earlier. So this does not apply. Nor would it to some of our inhabitants, as their entire age span runs about fifteen years, with five being the age of consent.



Article 2-Any parties in said sexually explicit material must be acting on there own free will and mist give legal consent to the distribution of said material. This consent must be in wirting.


So, video is unacceptable. Or holograph. Or several of the means we consider to be legal.

Again, no.



Article 3- Any comapany wishing to sell sexually explicit material must have an area dedicated just to this said materal and it must only be viewed by citizens 18 and over.

See above.



Article 4- Any person wishing to buy sexually explicit material must be 18 years or older and have 1 form of I.D to verify there age status.


See above.



Article 5- Any forms of child pornography are strictly phrobihited even if both parties give consent and there leegal guardians agree to such materials being videotaped.

Already covered by previous resolution.



Article 6- Any buisness subject to selling explicit materials must be treated fairly under the protection of this act and will pay no additonal tax or charge to sell these materials.

We the people of The Planet Federation can no longer allow the Porno indrusty to go unregulated we are sick and tired of our children comming home at age 5 with a far to fast knowledge of sexually explicit content. We urge the UN to pass this bill for the betterment of society and the protection of our childern.

So pass some local laws. Our Publishing industry will sell whatever it likes to whomever wants to buy it.

On a more personal note, We are rather tired of the whole "think of the children!" rhetoric. The little buggers need to grow up, they might as well grow up. Protecting them from all infection resulted in children with weak immune systems. Exposure to pathogens had the opposite effect. The logic is inescapable.
Grand Teton
16-04-2005, 13:06
Kids are naturally good at being kids, they don't need help in staying children. They need to learn how the world works etc. Preferably using nice primary colours.
The Planet Federation
16-04-2005, 14:46
thank you for the in put on my fisrt draft i will do some word changing to make it more to the peoples liking. Also some jerk read this post and already set a proposal for this out....kinda steams my wheels but thats ok i read it and its not gonna get enough votes.

Anyway expect my second draft to be up soon on this thread and thanks everyone for the input.
The Planet Federation
17-04-2005, 00:38
Pornographic Regulation Act

Moral Decency
Strength-Strong

The Federation of Planets Urges Delegates to Consider the following.---The immediate regualtion and restriction on the pornographic world.

Article 1-Sexually Explicit Material of any kind may only be sold with the consent of all parties in the film or said material. The must be of legal age depending on the nations legal age. And be aware of the possible risks of performing sexual contact without the use of forms of protection.

Article 2-Any parties in said sexually explicit material must be acting on there own free will and mist give legal consent to the distribution of said material. This consent must be in wirting.

Article 3- Any comapany wishing to sell sexually explicit material must have an area dedicated just to this said materal and it must only be viewed by citizens of legal age depending on the national legal age and over.

Article 4- Any person wishing to buy sexually explicit material must be of legal age depending on the nations legal age limit and have 1 form of I.D to verify there age status.

Article 5- Any forms of child (any person under the legal age of depending on the nations legal age status)pornography are strictly phrobihited no matter what the case.

Article 6- Any buisness subject to selling explicit materials must be treated fairly under the protection of this act and will pay no additonal tax or charge to sell these materials.

We the people of The Planet Federation can no longer allow the Porno indrusty to go unregulated we are sick and tired of our children comming home at a young age with a far to fast knowledge of sexually explicit content. We urge the UN to pass this bill for the betterment of society and the protection of our youth.
Bitewaldi
17-04-2005, 02:22
your spellchecker needs to be "tuned" a bit better - with perhaps some human checking afterwards?

there - a place that is not "here"

thier - belonging to "them"

they're - they are

(and mist should probably be must)

Furthermore, have you checked to see if this resolution will contradict other resolutions that have already passed? (Not sure, but maybe the "Sex Worker" resolution may have some impact on this, and may also make a lot of what you're saying moot).

Additionally, you don't address other forms of pornography - just videos. What about explicit novels (or are you assuming "children" don't read?), magazines, hentai (both in paper form and animated), claymation, and live shows?

What is your definition of "pornography" and "sexually explicit"? Will we need to be draping cloth over our statues, and have our farm animals wear pants, and have congress in an enclosed barn away from the curious eyes of the children? What about wild animals mating out in the open, for all to see? Or even in a zoo, confined to their cage? (I've had this experience, personally, having to witness a pair of mice mating in a zoo, in front of a 8 or 9 year old boy and his father. The father, instead of addressing the child's question of "what are those 2 mice doing?" quickly distracted him by pulling him over to the next exhibit and reading the plaque about whatever creature was contained within)
The Planet Federation
17-04-2005, 02:26
Well this is why i post drafts. so i can get the input of the Un member nations.

Thanks for the input i will await more until the 3rd draft comes out.
Vastiva
17-04-2005, 03:41
Take two....


Pornographic Regulation Act

Moral Decency
Strength-Strong


Boilerplate.



The Federation of Planets Urges Delegates to Consider the following.---The immediate regualtion and restriction on the pornographic world.

So all I have to do is consider doing it, and I'm in compliance? Talk about a weak proposal! It does nothing but ask us to think!

Remove this line completely.



Article 1-Sexually Explicit Material of any kind may only be sold with the consent of all parties in the film or said material. The must be of legal age depending on the nations legal age. And be aware of the possible risks of performing sexual contact without the use of forms of protection.

So, if Bambi Bigguns doesn't want to sell anything to me because I had her car towed, I can't buy? Interesting... and how are you going to enforce this?



Article 2-Any parties in said sexually explicit material must be acting on there own free will and mist give legal consent to the distribution of said material. This consent must be in wirting.


We repeat - "writing" is not the only form of legal accession. There are nations which do not use writing - note, I do not say "races", as I have encountered entire populations of humans who believe "writing" is a magical thing that should be avoided.



Article 3- Any comapany wishing to sell sexually explicit material must have an area dedicated just to this said materal and it must only be viewed by citizens of legal age depending on the national legal age and over.

How about "and access and/or viewership of must be reasonably restricted to citizens of legal age, as defined in Article 1"?



Article 4- Any person wishing to buy sexually explicit material must be of legal age depending on the nations legal age limit and have 1 form of I.D to verify there age status.

... alright....



Article 5- Any forms of child (any person under the legal age of depending on the nations legal age status)pornography are strictly phrobihited no matter what the case.

Already covered in prior legislation, but keeping it does no harm.



Article 6- Any buisness subject to selling explicit materials must be treated fairly under the protection of this act and will pay no additonal tax or charge to sell these materials.

w00t! We're all for this part.



We the people of The Planet Federation can no longer allow the Porno indrusty to go unregulated we are sick and tired of our children comming home at a young age with a far to fast knowledge of sexually explicit content. We urge the UN to pass this bill for the betterment of society and the protection of our youth.

Cut this entirely.
Fatus Maximus
17-04-2005, 22:38
I have no problem with this resolution as long as it leaves the option for all member nations to lower their age for the legal viewing of pornography to 0 years.
Gwenstefani
17-04-2005, 23:34
I don't think this proposal should be categorised as "strong". After all, how much of an impact on world politics would there be if the pornography industry was slightly regulated? Not a whole lot really, and it's not a major infringement on most people's everyday lives either. I would classify it as mild.

Other than that, I have no new complaints. The main problem is differing ages of consent.

I think you have a good idea for a proposal, but perhaps you could consider limiting it to just concerning issues such as child pornography, etc.
Groot Gouda
18-04-2005, 14:07
Pornographic Regulation Act

Moral Decency
Strength-Strong

The Federation of Planets Urges Delegates to Consider the following.---The immediate regualtion and restriction on the pornographic world.


Oh dear, another person who thinks the state should regulate people's feelings. Why would you want to do that? People can decide for themselves. It's much better to invest in sex education and removing the taboo from sex than trying to outlaw all sorts of stuff.

And no way this is "strong".

Article 1-Sexually Explicit Material of any kind may only be sold with the consent of all parties in the film or said material. The must be of legal age depending on the nations legal age. And be aware of the possible risks of performing sexual contact without the use of forms of protection.

So, before buying a porn video the kids must fill in a little test about condoms? This is never going to work. Especially since in my country, there is no strict legal age for buying porn.

Article 2-Any parties in said sexually explicit material must be acting on there own free will and mist give legal consent to the distribution of said material. This consent must be in wirting.

wirting? Don't have that. Nice article though, but not something the UN should really care about.

Article 3- Any comapany wishing to sell sexually explicit material must have an area dedicated just to this said materal and it must only be viewed by citizens of legal age depending on the national legal age and over.

What's a "comapany"? Oh, and not a lot of shops want to create this little crowded area where the adolescents try to sneak in.

Article 4- Any person wishing to buy sexually explicit material must be of legal age depending on the nations legal age limit and have 1 form of I.D to verify there age status.

Because of privacy, my nation strongly objects to ID checks for buying porn. Some people have good reason for wanting to stay anonymous (for example, a family or society that doesn't approve of someone buying porn). Showing ID would mean people will go for an underground circuit to get their porn, which is not what we want.

Article 5- Any forms of child (any person under the legal age of depending on the nations legal age status)pornography are strictly phrobihited no matter what the case.

Of course, this is already outlawed under another UN resolution. Referring to it would be enough.

Article 6- Any buisness subject to selling explicit materials must be treated fairly under the protection of this act and will pay no additonal tax or charge to sell these materials.

Good point (though category free trade, and not moral decency), but also nothing the UN should particularly bother about.

We the people of The Planet Federation can no longer allow the Porno indrusty to go unregulated we are sick and tired of our children comming home at a young age with a far to fast knowledge of sexually explicit content. We urge the UN to pass this bill for the betterment of society and the protection of our youth.

Shall I tell you a little secret? From about 12-14 years, kids start to mature and get curious about this thing called "sex". It's entirely natural for them to start discovering things. Resolutions like this put a taboo on sex, which discourages the natural curiousity of children. If you have such a problem with children knowing more Kama Sutra positions than you do, your education system is obviously flawed, or your society has unnatural ways of dealing with sex. You'd better change that instead of dragging the whole UN back into the dark ages.
_Myopia_
18-04-2005, 18:32
I don't believe this should be strong.

Article 1 should talk about parties agreeing to "production for sale" to avoid confusions about whether they have to agree on each individual sale.

Article 2 should allow for other legal forms of consent.

Article 3 should only talk about sale and rental, not viewing. If a teacher wants to obtain relatively mild footage to show in sex education lessons, the pupils shouldn't be prevented from seeing it. It should also be clear that the age for viewing does not have to be the same as that for participating.

Article 4 should not demand I.D. - sometimes it's just clear that someone is over a certain age, and its ridiculous to demand that they produce identification.

Article 5 should not try to ban animations or written pieces.

Basically, the only workable form of a proposal on this issue is one of recommendation - which is what your proposal has effectively become, since the age limits are all up to the national governments.

I was working on this issue a while ago, trying to produce a more moderate proposal to counter the more authoritarian suggestions put forward by other members. I never got round to campaigning properly on it, but here's the text and maybe it'll help you.

Pornography and Consent

Category: Probably Moral Decency/Mild

The General Assembly,

Recalling its resolution The Child Protection Act, adopted Aug. 2, 2003, which stated that "States Parties shall take all appropriate legislative, administrative, social and educational measures to protect the minor from all forms of ... exploitation, including sexual abuse, while in the care of parent(s), legal guardian(s) or any other person(s)",

Recognising that some nations prefer to prohibit the production, distribution and possession of all pornographic material (defined for the purposes of this resolution as media used to provoke sexual excitement),

Believing that freedom of expression is important,

Believing that it is the basic right of every individual not to be featured in pornographic visual and/or audio recordings (such as, but not limited to, photographs and film) (as opposed to drawn or similar depictions, or written fiction) without their explicit consent having first been obtained,

Believing that those too young to consent to sexual intercourse are also too young to be featured in pornographic recordings,

Recognising that for the different cultures, societies and species of UN member nations, different approaches to various features of the problem of consent in this context (including, but not limited to, methods of enforcement, exactly what is regarded as pornography, specific ages of consent, existing laws regarding contracts and employment) will be appropriate,

The United Nations,

1) Reluctantly re-affirms member nations' right to prohibit any pornographic material, subject to any restrictions placed by previous resolutions and until such time as the UN decides to legislate further on the matter;

2) Strongly urges member nations to enact laws outlawing the production and distribution of pornographic recordings (as defined above) when done without the explicit consent of those persons featured in sexual roles said recordings, and to do their utmost within reason to stop the production, distribution and possession of pornography produced in contravention of such laws;

3) Strongly urges member nations to enact laws declaring that children (to be defined for the purposes of this legislation by each member nation - it is recommended that the age of consent for pornography be at least as high as that for sexual intercourse and the age at which individuals may make contracts and be employed) are not able to give consent to be featured in a sexual role in pornographic material, and that no adult may give consent on behalf of a child in this matter, and to do their utmost within reason to stop the production, distribution and possession of child pornography (defined as pornographic recordings featuring individuals unable to give consent to be featured by reason of age);

4) Notes that clauses 2 and 3 do not refer to material which does not feature recordings of real individuals (e.g. drawn animations, or written descriptions); and

5) Urges national governments to legislate upon possible exceptions such as warranted law enforcement-related surveillance in such a way as to maintain the spirit of this resolution as far as is deemed reasonable.
Fatus Maximus
19-04-2005, 01:36
I am much more likely to support this proposal than the last one... but once again, only if every nation is left the option of lowering their age for pornographic viewing as much as they want.
The Lynx Alliance
19-04-2005, 09:38
we are against this for a couple of reasons. the strength: agree that it should be mild. over-regulation: regulations should be dealt with by individual nations. while we usually have a limit of 15 years old for humans in TLA for the access of pornagraphic material, it can vary from nation to nation, and in some nations there are no age, where as in others we aknowledge that pornography is outlawed.
Sidestreamer
19-04-2005, 09:47
The Holy Empire of Sidestreamer recognizes the destruction to families pornographic materials can create, and sees a moral vacuum created by its distribution. It is second only to extreme atrocities such as homosexual sodomy, pedophilia and abortionism in terms of its evil. At the Holy Empire, we already are considering independently ways to implement prison terms for the distribution of pornographic materials in a manner that does not conflict with UN resolutions, but with this resolution, it will be much easier for us to save our children and uphold morality.

We shall fully support and co-sponsor this bill.

--Welsh

Edit: actually we view the revisement and must say that this one doesn't go far enough.
The Lynx Alliance
19-04-2005, 10:10
The Holy Empire of Sidestreamer recognizes the destruction to families pornographic materials can create, and sees a moral vacuum created by its distribution. It is second only to extreme atrocities such as homosexual sodomy, pedophilia and abortionism in terms of its evil. At the Holy Empire, we already are considering independently ways to implement prison terms for the distribution of pornographic materials in a manner that does not conflict with UN resolutions, but with this resolution, it will be much easier for us to save our children and uphold morality.

We shall fully support and co-sponsor this bill.

--Welsh

Edit: actually we view the revisement and must say that this one doesn't go far enough.
well, this adds to part of our argument..... personally, we dont see how pornographic material can cause destruction to families. if anything, it can be good, because it gives couples ideas on how to keep their relationship fresh and exciting.
Powerhungry Chipmunks
19-04-2005, 13:49
well, this adds to part of our argument..... personally, we dont see how pornographic material can cause destruction to families. if anything, it can be good, because it gives couples ideas on how to keep their relationship fresh and exciting.

Actually, I've heard from several sources that it can lead to unrealistic sexual expectations, remove sexual interest in one's spouse, and encourage promiscuous behavior (which tends to lead to affair->divorce). I think the ability to keep sexual experiences "fresh and exciting" is limited to sexual instruction books (eg. suma satra), which are not the same as pornography. Pornography is designed to sexually arouse one, not to teach two how to arouse each other with more skill.

Regardless, I don't think sexually explicit material should be regulated by the UN. It's not up to a majority of UN nations to determine what type and level of pornographic exposure other UN nations must allow or encourage--except in the case of pedophelia (in which I feel it to be a human right to grow up free from sexual exploitation). Tolerance of general adult pornography is too societally decided and differing too much nation-to-nation for to be adequately regulated by the UN.
_Myopia_
19-04-2005, 17:59
I am much more likely to support this proposal than the last one... but once again, only if every nation is left the option of lowering their age for pornographic viewing as much as they want.

My text doesn't even mention restricting viewing (except to reluctantly acknowledge that governments can if they want), only controlling participation to avoid exploitation.
Celatea
19-04-2005, 19:05
I would like to see a proposal made to have corporal or (in certain cases) capital punishment endorsed for the punishment of the crime of producing or distributing child pornography.

Would anybody else support this?
_Myopia_
19-04-2005, 19:17
I would like to see a proposal made to have corporal or (in certain cases) capital punishment endorsed for the punishment of the crime of producing or distributing child pornography.

Would anybody else support this?

We would never support the use of capital punishment for any crime. So no.
Fatus Maximus
19-04-2005, 22:20
I'm all for punishment for pervs who distribute child pornography, but my nation will never support the death penalty.
The Lynx Alliance
20-04-2005, 11:31
Regardless, I don't think sexually explicit material should be regulated by the UN. It's not up to a majority of UN nations to determine what type and level of pornographic exposure other UN nations must allow or encourage--except in the case of pedophelia (in which I feel it to be a human right to grow up free from sexual exploitation). Tolerance of general adult pornography is too societally decided and differing too much nation-to-nation for to be adequately regulated by the UN.
for once, we agree with the representative from PC. whilst the issue of child pornography can be agreed to be frowned upon, we believe it is already covered anyway. thus, the rest should be looked after by individual nations, not the UN.