NationStates Jolt Archive

NOTING the severe, taxing burden this bill's Education Programs clause creates on national education departments, in terms of both fiscal strain and the sheer amount of time taken for the curricula, and

NOTING the UNFUNDED MANDATE that goes against the spirit of NationStates United Nations Resolution #4 - The UN Taxation Ban - that has effectively been created by this individual clause,

REALIZING that while the phrase "create or allow" within the clause allows for governments to avoid paying for such programs, it does not provide leeway for education boards to arrange classroom time in an effective manner and will hence cause UNDUE STRESS upon our school systems, and

REGRETTING the failure of the now-former Delegate from Belgrade-Beograd, who suspiciously departed from the United Nations before the passing of this resolution, to polish and define these programs in a manner that will not interfere with the core curricula of other national and local schools,

WE OBJECT to what effectively has become an UNFUNDED MANDATE on our school boards, and seek to NULLIFY and REPEAL UN Resolution #99, titled "Discrimination Accord," and would further seek to encourage a delegate to resubmit this Accord, sans the offending educational program clause.

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NOTING the severe, taxing burden this bill's Education Programs clause creates on national education departments, in terms of both fiscal strain and the sheer amount of time taken for the curricula, and

Ya know, this contradicts what you said about the issue saying governments don't have to pay for it further down.

NOTING the UNFUNDED MANDATE that goes against the spirit of NationStates United Nations Resolution #4 - The UN Taxation Ban - that has effectively been created by this individual clause,

That's a ban on the UN directly taxing individuals within a nation. It says nothing about the UN taxing nations or instituting programs that sometimes require tax hikes in nations. Spirit not violated.

REALIZING that while the phrase "create or allow" within the clause allows for governments to avoid paying for such programs, it does not provide leeway for education boards to arrange classroom time in an effective manner and will hence cause UNDUE STRESS upon our school systems, and

By allowing, the government can choose to allow schools to institute it or organizations outside of schools to institute it. Nothing in it states it must absolutely be done by the schools.

REGRETTING the failure of the now-former Delegate from Belgrade-Beograd, who suspiciously departed from the United Nations before the passing of this resolution, to polish and define these programs in a manner that will not interfere with the core curricula of other national and local schools,

This looks to me like a direct attack on the resolution's author by mentioning his departure, which could have even been him being ejected from the UN for an unrelated reason the day he submitted it. Also, note that it does not actually state you have to have the programs in the schools.

WE OBJECT to what effectively has become an UNFUNDED MANDATE on our school boards, and seek to NULLIFY and REPEAL UN Resolution #99, titled "Discrimination Accord," and would further seek to encourage a delegate to resubmit this Accord, sans the offending educational program clause.

If it's unfunded and a problem because of that, that's your fault.

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Too close to the passing of the resolution. I see this repeal attempt as being an abysmal, yet also comical, failure. Give it a few weeks, then try.

NOTING the severe, taxing burden this bill's Education Programs clause creates on national education departments, in terms of both fiscal strain and the sheer amount of time taken for the curricula, and

NOTING the UNFUNDED MANDATE that goes against the spirit of NationStates United Nations Resolution #4 - The UN Taxation Ban - that has effectively been created by this individual clause,

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UN Taxation Ban only states that the UN can not directly tax citizens of UN members. This resolution (in my government's opinion) has nothing to do with restricting the UN's ability to make resolutions calling upon nations to set up progressive human rights or social justice programs.

That said, the City States do not consider this repeal to be correct.

NOTING the UNFUNDED MANDATE that goes against the spirit of NationStates United Nations Resolution #4 - The UN Taxation Ban - that has effectively been created by this individual clause,

Loads of resolutions have created unfunded mandates.

Regarding the education programs, you don't need to let them interfere with with schooling - allow people to set up programs outside the school system, and if nobody cares to sign up, it doesn't matter.

The laws of the Federation of Equilibrias prohibit "homosexual marriage", which resolution #99, namely the Discrimination Accord, advocates. The state refuses to comply!

Well, tough. You have to unless you cease to be a UN member.

The laws of the Federation of Equilibrias prohibit "homosexual marriage", which resolution #99, namely the Discrimination Accord, advocates. The state refuses to comply!

Homosexual marriage is also protected by Gay Rights and Definition of Marriage.

What does that mean? Suck it up. You recognized it the moment you joined.

It is my belief that it is too soon to start repeal proceedings on Resolution #99, given the nature of the opposition to this resolution. I generally do not believe in immediate repeals unless the intent is to repeal and replace the resolution with one that is better drafted (as with the Global Library), or in cases when opposition in debate was nearly unanimous yet the resolution somehow passed anyway (as with Common Sense Act II, to which Tisonica's immediate repeal proposal attained quorum but was removed as repeals were not allowed at the time).

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador

I believe in the Discrimination Accord it said that all people had a right to participate in government, since we are slightly totalitarian does that mean that dictatorships and anarchies cannot be in the UN anymore?

1. The right to protection under law, especially protection from harassment and violence,
Redundant. Already covered in a number of UN resolutions, including but not limited to #47, #41, #44, #38, and most importantly, #26 and #27. Compared with these, the current resolution is vague, non-specific, and adds no new right nor clarification.

2. The right to participate in government,
Seems to be the largest problem with this resolution. It is in direct contradiction to UN Resolution "Rights and Duties of UN States," which explicitly gaurantees, in Article 1, that "Every UN Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government." There is no exception specified to this article which would allow the UN to mandate a participatory form of government. Had such an exception been intended, it would have been specified, as they were specified in the case of other articles in the said resolution, which explicitly allows for the "immunities granted by international laws."

3. The right to fair judicial proceedings and law enforcement application especially as guaranteed by international law,
Redundant. Already covered by resolution #27 and others.

4. Any social dividends paid out to or provided for persons or groups deemed by member national or international government to be in social need (unemployment benefits, health care, etc.), including, but not limited to, those social dividends secured by international law,
Just vague. Exactly what does this clause mean? What "social dividends"? And if these "social dividends" are both determined and financed through international laws, what is the need for an additional resolution regulating domestic compliance?

COMMITS to fighting ignorance and prejudice, MANDATING member nations create or allow large-scale education programs of ethnic, racial, and cultural diversity;
Too vague. Just what kind of education programs are mandated? How large is "large-scale"? You can't mandate things then leave the execution for the whim of every member government.

§ The UN also recognizes the need, at times, for member governments to differentiate upon these difference during extreme security risks or other especial events or conditions, and allows for member governments to differentiate treatment to a reasonable degree (as can be justified by the risk), provided the treatment of all returns to an equal state once the risk or state of extreme condition has passed.
The other large problem. Does not specify what kind of "especial events or conditions" qualify for these exceptions. Could be construed as justifying, for example, the concentration camps in WWII as "justified by the risk," since it never clarifies criteria.

The resolution has good intents. But as writte, it seems to be problematic. I would encourage every member state to reeaxmine the resolution as it is written, and vote for a repealment or an amendment significant enought to address these issues.

2. The right to participate in government,
Seems to be the largest problem with this resolution. It is in direct contradiction to UN Resolution "Rights and Duties of UN States," which explicitly gaurantees, in Article 1, that "Every UN Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government." There is no exception specified to this article which would allow the UN to mandate a participatory form of government. Had such an exception been intended, it would have been specified, as they were specified in the case of other articles in the said resolution, which explicitly allows for the "immunities granted by international laws."
You seem to have missed Citizen Rule Required, which says that people must have some control over their government. Of course, this is very open ended, and could range from absolute democracy, to voting to give up voting rights (as in DemonLordEnigma). I see no need for this to change.

The laws of the Federation of Equilibrias prohibit "homosexual marriage", which resolution #99, namely the Discrimination Accord, advocates. The state refuses to comply!

If you are in the UN, you are automatically in compliance with all UN Resolutions, and have no choice in the matter.

Please refer to the UN FAQ.

I believe in the Discrimination Accord it said that all people had a right to participate in government, since we are slightly totalitarian does that mean that dictatorships and anarchies cannot be in the UN anymore?

Nope. That would be illegal. Plus, a passed resolution already covered that.

The resolution has good intents. But as writte, it seems to be problematic. I would encourage every member state to reeaxmine the resolution as it is written, and vote for a repealment or an amendment significant enought to address these issues.

As written, it's vague enough to not recieve too much opposition. It has to be applied to nations without formal education systems, nations with opposing styles of government, and just about everything you can imagine and a few you can't. Basically, it does its job.

So my citizens' right to participate in government is to vote for complete control of them by us every 200 years at gunpoint.

Krioval politely requests that dead horses cease to be flogged. The resolution passed by a fairly large margin. If you want to repeal it, I'd suggest putting some feelers out, but your proposal, given the timing, will almost certainly fail to achieve quorum. But it's your nation, after all.

Lady Adele Kriov
Queen Mother of Krioval

I resigned yesterday, before I was forced to accept this absurd resolution. My nation will never accept same sex mariage. Homosexuals are a minority in this world, I guess the are all here in the NSUN. Well sin all you want in your sick UN, you can have it. Just stay away from our nation..... NO HOMOSEXUALS ALLOWED!

I resigned yesterday, before I was forced to accept this absurd resolution. My nation will never accept same sex mariage. Homosexuals are a minority in this world, I guess the are all here in the NSUN. Well sin all you want in your sick UN, you can have it. Just stay away from our nation..... NO HOMOSEXUALS ALLOWED!

Arnburg's stats

Civil Rights: Few
Economy: Imploded
Political Freedoms: Unheard Of

Yeah, I bet gay tourists were just flocking to your nation before your resignation. Hell, Krioval's got about a fifth of your population, but given your economy, we could probably take you on. And if we do, all your men are going "straight" to Commander Raijin - he's been looking to emulate the Sultan of Vastiva in a manner of speaking. So enjoy your imploded economy, and don't let the door hit you on the ass too hard while leaving, unless you're into that sort of thing.

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