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Please vote for the stickies you wish to KEEP.

I was thinking about bringing this up in Moderation, but decided to place it here instead. The UN page is too crowded with stickies, and some of them need to go. I've created this poll to gauge the interest in each of these candidates for de-stickifying.

I'd also be interested in your reasons for either removing or keeping them stickied. Polite arguments are welcome. Keep it civil, and keep your answers short. Your responses will not necessarily be definitive, but they will help us make our decision.

~ Frisbeeteria ~
NationStates Forum Moderator

In order:

The Case Study of Deleted Proposals is useful because we can point to it for examples of why proposals are deleted.

Having the current resolution stickied has cut down immensely on the number of topics people post about a resolution at vote without looking at the main topic. I think we had one with the current resolution, but that was before it was stickied.

The everything we need to know is a helpful FAQ page. Keeping that at the top is helpful for referencing.

The passed resolutions is also helpful for referencing.

The silly proposals is sometimes used for seeing what proposals need to be deleted, plus it serves as an example of the posters pointing out examples of bad resolutions.

By the way, the following stickies are not in the poll:

Before you make a proposal... Duh. Though it might get replaced when Hack finishes his changes.

DRAFT: New Rules For UN Proposals The potential changes.


Also, if we end up reducing or consolidating stickies, you might want to offer suggestions for other POSTS to consider. Not whole threads, but individual posts that add significantly to understanding the UN. Also, suggest where and how you would incorporate that into an overall sticky plan.

you might want to offer suggestions for other POSTS to consider.
Some possibilites I've considered:

A Practical Guide to the NationStates United Nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8673365&postcount=1)

Nation States United Nations Policymaking (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6611665&postcount=1)

Study into resolution categories: the political colour of the UN agenda (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6941419&postcount=1) (iffy because of large graphics)

Validity of the National Sovereignty argument (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7721378&postcount=1) (ok, so I'm biased)

Please don't include the national sovereignty thread. I think it is valid, and I'd encourage players to be less quick to dismiss those debates. But I also didn't vote to sticky the strangers bar.

For the strangers bar and other thread, add a new sticky that is an index of notworthy threads and resources, like the UN voting records, UN linkable resolutions, strangers bar, sovereignty discussion, and biatch session. :)

My thoughts

The current resolution Sticky is a must keep for the reasons DLE mentioned.

The Passed Resolutions and the Everything we need to know are helpful reference materials, keep them.

The silly proposals thread (I'll admit I'm kind of biased on this one due to the frequency I post in it :)) and the deleated proposals thread are both good examples of what not to do when writing a proposal.

The Strangers' Bar is usually busy enough that it doesn't really need a sticky.

The IRC chat, I would say put the info into the Everything we need to know and unsticky it.

I would like to see the I Love The UN thread stickied.

I feel the following basics from the list are needed:

>"Everything You Need To Know About UN Proposals/Repeals and UN FAQS",

>"A Case Study of Deleted Proposals",

>"Passed N.S.U.N. Resolutions" (because, even viewing but 15 posts/page, the jolt thread is more practical--and with a ToC, too).

I voted for the current proposal being debated, but I don't think it's really "necessary". It's been a while since a proposal up for vote has fallen far in the forum. Then again, since they're recent re-stickies there seem to be fewer "un-official" topics popping up. I'm so-so for that one.

I'd like to see the following at the top of the UN page.

>>>Before you make a proposal...
>>>DRAFT: New Rules For UN Proposals
>>> Everything You Need To Know About UN Proposals/Repeals and UN FAQS
>>>Debate on *current resolution*

The rules need to be there until the new ones are finalized, and then you can take both of the out and replace them with whatever Hack's final draft is. The "Everything You Need to Know" thread can contain...well...everything else we need to know. The debate on the current resolution thing being stickied seems to have cut down on the superfluous threads, so I say keep it up, baby! :D

The Silly Proposals thread has plenty of material to keep it going without a sticky, as does the Stranger's Bar.

The IRC chat, I would say put the info into the Everything we need to know and unsticky it.

I agree with my esteemed colleague on this.

Some possibilites I've considered:

A Practical Guide to the NationStates United Nations

Nation States United Nations Policymaking

Study into resolution categories: the political colour of the UN agenda (iffy because of large graphics)

Validity of the National Sovereignty argument (ok, so I'm biased)


I would like all of those added to the "Everything You Need to Know" sticky to save space.

In addition, you might consider adding my National Sovereignty and the NationStates United Nations (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=382003) thread. (ok so I'm biased too)

It looks like the IRC sticky is doomed to failure. Goobergunchia, would you consolidate the topic into a single new post (for inclusion into whatever we end up with)? Thanks.

It might be an idea to consolidate most of the information in the stickies into a single thread, and provide links to the original threads for more information. Something like Scolo's Big Tech Sticky List , but for the UN. That should clear up a lot of space.
It could even be Frisbee's Big UN Sticky List, or something along those lines.

It might be an idea to consolidate most of the information in the stickies into a single thread, and provide links to the original threads for more information.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about for the most part, except I want the major single posts included as well. First post is a big linky bit, followed by half a dozen of the better "conceptual posts" that have been written.

"One Sticky to rule them all, One Sticky to find them, One Sticky to bring them all, and in the UN bind them."

That sort of thing.

[edit] Like this: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412468

It looks like the IRC sticky is doomed to failure. Goobergunchia, would you consolidate the topic into a single new post (for inclusion into whatever we end up with)? Thanks.

I always thought that the first post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=5915106&postcount=1) did a pretty good job of explaining the entire thread (note that I just edited it for crystal clarity).

I picked:

At Vote: "Current Topic" (for the same reasons DLE pointed out)
Passed UN Resolutions (useful resource)
Silly Proposals (because it's entertaining and because it serves as a useful resource for what NOT to put into a Resolution)
UN Strangers' Bar (because it'll be up there anyway...)

I suppose, though, that the activity at the Bar does not merit it having a sticky and that the "Passed UN Resolutions" and "Silly Proposals" could go into a general "Everything you need to know about the UN" sticky that Enn suggested, however.

I suppose, though, that the activity at the Bar does not merit it having a stickyApart from the fact that Enodia started the thread, I've never quite understood why *ONE* RP was stickied in a forum with thousands of them and that the "Passed UN Resolutions" and "Silly Proposals" could go into a general "Everything you need to know about the UN" sticky that Enn suggested, however.
The general sticky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412468) is already in place. I'm hoping Euroslavia will notice and add those two threads so I can de-sticky them. Also, Hack said he found Silly Proposals useful for cleaning up the UN proposal list. Might be polite to ask him first.

The general sticky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412468) is already in place. I'm hoping Euroslavia will notice and add those two threads so I can de-sticky them. Also, Hack said he found Silly Proposals useful for cleaning up the UN proposal list. Might be polite to ask him first.

I've read that one...and I think the "Silly Proposals" should be in there (as a link). If the goal is to create one big UN reference (and the "Silly Proposals" is a reference), then every reference should go there.

I think the "Silly Proposals" should be in there (as a link).
Silly Proposals and the UN Strangers Bar have been linked and de-stickied.

Just because we're now down to three stickies (which drops to two once The Most Glorious Hack and the other UN mods finalize the rules list), doesn't mean you can't still offer suggestions and auguments for additional material for The Great Big Consolidated United Nations Sticky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412468). If you have suggestions for additional posts, or material you think should be added or altered in the existing posts, tell us here.

A Case Study of Deleted Proposals

I'd say keep this one... It gives a good example of bad examples...

AT VOTE: *the current resolution

Keep, it has cut down immensly on multiple threads for at vote proposals...

Everything You Need To Know About UN Proposals/Repeals and UN FAQS

Keep... Definitely... provides a good model for proposal writers...

IRC Chat for UN Members!

This could probably go... Maybe changed to a section of the FAQ.

Passed N.S.U.N. Resolutions

I use this all the time... It is alot easier to meander to grab quotes, than cycling through the "Passed UN Resolution page" on the main site...

Silly Proposals: THE RETURN

Throw... though it is funny... Maybe merge with A Case Study of Deleted Proposals....

The United Nations Strangers' Bar

I'm indifferent on this one...

Silly Proposals and the UN Strangers Bar have been linked and de-stickied.

Just because we're now down to three stickies (which drops to two once The Most Glorious Hack and the other UN mods finalize the rules list), doesn't mean you can't still offer suggestions and auguments for additional material for The Great Big Consolidated United Nations Sticky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412468). If you have suggestions for additional posts, or material you think should be added or altered in the existing posts, tell us here.


It looks very nice from here (haven't read through the whole thing yet). I say: Good Job!

I've added some content to the National Sovereignty post and I finished the last section of the Practical Guide yesterday. I may add a bit more about the invading/defending stuff into the already existing sections of the Practical Guide later.

Silly Proposals and the UN Strangers Bar have been linked and de-stickied.

Just because we're now down to three stickies (which drops to two once The Most Glorious Hack and the other UN mods finalize the rules list), doesn't mean you can't still offer suggestions and auguments for additional material for The Great Big Consolidated United Nations Sticky (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=412468). If you have suggestions for additional posts, or material you think should be added or altered in the existing posts, tell us here.
Frisbeeteria, the links need to be edited...the "Everything You Need To Know About The UN" link is a dead one.

the "Everything You Need To Know About The UN" link is a dead one.
Weird. It looked identical to what I replaced it with, but now it works. Go figure.

All those links at the top of Goober's post are just internal navigation links anyway. You can scroll down and see the very same posts. I'm leaving external linkage to Euroslavia (though I did sneak a couple in myself earlier, sorry, Euro).

Weird. It looked identical to what I replaced it with, but now it works. Go figure.

All those links at the top of Goober's post are just internal navigation links anyway. You can scroll down and see the very same posts. I'm leaving external linkage to Euroslavia (though I did sneak a couple in myself earlier, sorry, Euro).

I had thought it was Jolt acting up (sometimes you click on a legitimate thread and it says "no thread specified"), but when I got the error message twice I figured it was a dead link. Good thing you fixed it. *thumbs up*

*appeciates new de-sticky-clutterified look*

Fris, could you please consider a re-stick for " Passed N.S.U.N. Resolutions " ?

Despite some positive comments, it's not re-stuck up from what I can see, ( * I am assuming that it was de-stuck along with the two others ? ) and my periodic updates are not going to do much to keep it visible for the newer players to see it, considering how slow the resolution cycle is compared to board traffic ... Its all very good for the old-hands to know it exists, but part of its purpose is to provide an alternate location for those whom often miss the " official " text link on the U.N. page and not just for a handy query referance as its all-ready been noted as. Just my two cents.

Okay, things look pretty good, so I just have a couple comments.

Case Study can probably be included in an omni-sticky.
I'd like to see Komo's thread on Resolutions have it's own sticky. Really just personal preference, but I think it's useful enough to warrent its own.
Silly Threads can be dumped. It's active enough on its own.
Stranger's Bar can probably be dropped too.
I don't know how I feel about the temp-stick for the current Proposal, but I'll go along with it getting stuck.

I guess that's it. Once I figure out how to do branding, I'll review my draft and post a final draft, so we can get on with things. I don't want it to become like the new invasion rules draft that just sorta died.

Fris, could you please consider a re-stick for " Passed N.S.U.N. Resolutions " ?
Based on the poll, I'd been wavering. With your request and Hack's endorsement, yeah. It's back.

Fris, could you please consider a re-stick for " Passed N.S.U.N. Resolutions " ?

Despite some positive comments, it's not re-stuck up from what I can see, ( * I am assuming that it was de-stuck along with the two others ? ) and my periodic updates are not going to do much to keep it visible for the newer players to see it, considering how slow the resolution cycle is compared to board traffic ... Its all very good for the old-hands to know it exists, but part of its purpose is to provide an alternate location for those whom often miss the " official " text link on the U.N. page and not just for a handy query referance as its all-ready been noted as. Just my two cents.

Well, I personally like it as the handy querry refference, as opposed to a Alternate... It's just easier to navigate the info through the thread, then cycle through the pages of NSUN resolutions on the main page (I wish they could rectify how they display the Passed Resolutions through the main page)....

Though, I am planning on building an indexed PDF file of the resolutions for my own use... In case it goes again...

Shame on you, gentlefolk! The least you could have done when de-stickifying the Strangers' Bar was to make a formal announcement and buy a round for the bar, but noooo-o-o... how would you like to be suddenly adrift in Time and Space?

Points in the Bar's favour:

1. It's an easy entry for newcomers (two virginal posts this week alone!)

2. Deals do get done there (mostly in various kinds of liquor, but still ...) and friendships are formed.

3. It's possibly the best-behaved thread in the forum. If the Raised Eyebrow of Randomea doesn't stop n00b-ishness, the Cold Shoulder of Enn will -- and if all else fails, Walther Brandl just pulls the masonry down atop 'em. (But we do miss the golden frying-pan, Komokom).

All that aside, however, the Bar can stand or fall (or stagger about) on its own merits. So be it.

Please keep the temporary sticky for the current At Vote. It's one of those "How did we ever get along without this before?" ideas.

Would it be possible, without making extra work, to make a new icon that would symbolise "nearing quorum" for proposals? "Hot Topic" sometimes turns up on things that will never make it to vote, but provoke a lot of debate.

Hey Archoille!

Uhmm I think that Proposals that have only 9 posts or less their UN proposal should be deleted

Weird. It looked identical to what I replaced it with, but now it works. Go figure.

All those links at the top of Goober's post are just internal navigation links anyway. You can scroll down and see the very same posts. I'm leaving external linkage to Euroslavia (though I did sneak a couple in myself earlier, sorry, Euro).

Apologies for not finding this thread til now. I have absolutely no problem with you adding a few links in, that are necessary. :) Very nice job, by the way.

I suppose I'm bias in the fact that I think the "Everything You Need To Know...." sticky should stay stickied, so I'll just leave that to if the moderators feel it is necessary to keep. Either way, I'm ok with it.

Hey Archoille!

Uhmm I think that Proposals that have only 9 posts or less their UN proposal should be deleted

Homieville, I know you are trying to be helpful, but this does not add much to the discussion. The other players have given very specific reasons for why they believe certain stickies should be retained... your post appears to be about UN proposals and is not on topic. Please read the original posts carefully when you wish to respond to a thread.

I also think that keeping an "At Vote" sticky would work at keeping an organized thread for that resolution debate, and keep from duplicates being created.

I think the original stickificationinginging of the Strangers' Bar was an excellent idea as it kept it going and ensured there was somewhere for new players to find their feet. However, it now has a healthy band of regulars (myself no longer included, I regret), so can survive on its own, I guess.

Generally speaking, excellent job, Fris (and others).

Could the Stranger's Bar at least be included in the Uber-Master-Sticky Directory?

Could the Stranger's Bar at least be included in the Uber-Master-Sticky Directory?
I'd support this.

Could the Stranger's Bar at least be included in the Uber-Master-Sticky Directory?last edited by Frisbeeteria : 15-04-2005 at 10:52 AM. Reason: linked Strangers Bar and Silly Proposals
Activity of UN delegates/members

The UN isn't always all business. Sometimes Ambassadors need to kick back with a pint and a cigar. The ghost of UN Secretary General Emeritas Graf von Hermannstein of Enodia still haunts the place, and you'll find many a lively conversation to take your mind off of all those annoying proposals and resolutions.
The United Nations Strangers' Bar (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=310853)
Or did you want it Merged with the topic? That idea I don't like.

Shouldn't that be "Emeritus"? :p

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Shouldn't that be "Emeritus"?
I used the Lithuanian (http://vilkaviskis.lcn.lt/vyskupas_kt/emeritas/) spelling. Perfectly legal.

My dear Monsieur Frisbeeteria,

Your masterly compromise on the matter of the Strangers' Bar is worthy of the highest standards of NS UN diplomacy.

Yours in breathless admiration,

Neville Notthatone Chamberlain,

Barlord (Edinburgh, Class of 1899).

A nice man told me that if I delivered this message you would give me a whole penny for my trouble.

A nice man told me that if I delivered this message you would give me a whole penny for my trouble.
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Would it be possible, without making extra work, to make a new icon that would symbolise "nearing quorum" for proposals? "Hot Topic" sometimes turns up on things that will never make it to vote, but provoke a lot of debate.
I missed this earlier.

I don't see a way to do this without creating extra work. Topic edits are always manual, and the only way to spot impending proposals would be to either delve through the list ourselves or have someone point it out to us. I've no objection to somebody popping into #themodcave and asking for an edit, but I can't speak for the other moderators. If it happened a lot, it would probably get annoying.

Also, such things should be requested by the proposal author / topic starter, and those two things are not always the same. It's a judgement call, like so much else. I won't shut the door on the idea, but I'm unlikely to champoin it either.

Ta, guv'na. *Pulls forelock. Resolves to grow up to be Just Like 'Im*.

Thanks for the comment on the quorum thing. So it's now a matter of waiting for an author/topic starter to feel that victory is in their grasp, if they brave the beartraps in #themodcave?

Anyway, I suppose I was just speaking as a lazy maths avoider. I guess I can bring myself to read the tallies.

Or did you want it Merged with the topic? That idea I don't like.
No, your edit is fine. Much thanks.