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Hi, I proposed the following resolution. To all members who want a democratic, human dignity respectful world, I'm asking for your support:

Just clic here : http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/67358/page=UN_proposal/start=70
Two standards
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: HM of Atlantis

Description: Observing the UN's struggles to increase member government's support and enforcement of human rights within their own jurisdiction,

Noting those government that remain authoritarian does not suffer from their lack of compliance on their part to such unavoidable standards of respect towards human dignity,

Conveying to your attention that in another world called Earth they even enjoy the protection of international law under the so called sacrosanct standard of sovereinty of the state,

I therefore propose that we shall stop rewarding such behavior by simply considering those despotic governments as if they were worth the respect we show to our fellow democratic leaders,

But, in respect to their people, we shall not exclude them from the UN, so as to bear with this essential value of ours, we shall take into consideration lowering their voting rights to half of that of a democratic representative,

And so on, enforce trade embargoes on weapons and any goods that would enforce despotic reign in any area of the world,

Eventually, we should extend our policy towards despotic regimes who are not members. And within the UN chart, we should invite non member countries who are democracies, and wish not to join, to hold their seat as observers and associate them in our struggle for the most fair possible standards for humankind.

Approvals: 1 (Pine Ocean)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 148 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Apr 16 2005

OOC: This is illegal. You cannot target specific government types using a UN resolution. Check the Rights and Duties of UN States resolution, as well as the Before you make a proposal... sticky.

IC: You've just managed to insult a large number of nations, inculding the Triumvirate of Enn. The Triumvirate was the only stable government type to come out of Destabilisation (see Enn's wiki entry in my sig), and cares deeply for the well-being of Enn's people.
Please do not confuse lack of democracy and totalitarianism again.

Hi, I proposed the following resolution. To all members who want a democratic, human dignity respectful world, I'm asking for your support:

We're neither democratic or human. Why should we support this?

Just clic here : http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/67358/page=UN_proposal/start=70
Two standards
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Let's see how much fun this is...

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: HM of Atlantis

Description: Observing the UN's struggles to increase member government's support and enforcement of human rights within their own jurisdiction,

I don't see it as a struggle. They either obey, quit, or get pimp-smacked by the UN Gnomes until they obey or quit. It's a pretty simple system of enforcement. Here, let me show you.

~Walks over and opens the "Do Not Touch" Door to reveal a headless corpse and a UN Gnome standing over it with a smoking shotgun. Quickly closes the door.~

Oh, yeah, they sometimes lose their patience.

Noting those government that remain authoritarian does not suffer from their lack of compliance on their part to such unavoidable standards of respect towards human dignity,

Not entirely clear as to what you are trying to say. If you're trying to say that authoritarian governments don't give the people they rule dignity, I would like to point out my people are pretty happy with the system they have. Taxes are a little high, but that's not the norm and we're helping out some allies with the money.

Conveying to your attention that in another world called Earth they even enjoy the protection of international law under the so called sacrosanct standard of sovereinty of the state,

They also do in 97% of the Earths we have on record, including the one this UN is based on. Your point?

I therefore propose that we shall stop rewarding such behavior by simply considering those despotic governments as if they were worth the respect we show to our fellow democratic leaders,

Considering the last war I saw involving two republics, that isn't exactly much.

But, in respect to their people, we shall not exclude them from the UN, so as to bear with this essential value of ours, we shall take into consideration lowering their voting rights to half of that of a democratic representative,

Illegal. Game Mechanics violation.

And so on, enforce trade embargoes on weapons and any goods that would enforce despotic reign in any area of the world,

Many of us "despots" don't trade with most UN nations anyway. Hell, at best you'll just make the UN a laughing stock with this.

Eventually, we should extend our policy towards despotic regimes who are not members. And within the UN chart, we should invite non member countries who are democracies, and wish not to join, to hold their seat as observers and associate them in our struggle for the most fair possible standards for humankind.

Fair my shiny android ass. You're openly discriminating against entire regions with this proposal. I don't see how discriminating against nations just because of their style of government is anywhere near fair.

Ya know what? Screw it. I wasn't wanting to get into a war, but I think this provocation is justification enough. Now, excuse me while I prep a battle fleet.

Description: Observing the UN's struggles to increase member government's support and enforcement of human rights within their own jurisdiction,

Noting those government that remain authoritarian does not suffer from their lack of compliance on their part to such unavoidable standards of respect towards human dignity,

Honorable delegate, what it seems that you are doing here is making sure that Western Style Democracy is the end-all and be-all of all governments on Earth. The United States of MarxHammer considers this a gross violation of all sovereinty, especially the sovereinty of this nation and our allies.

Conveying to your attention that in another world called Earth they even enjoy the protection of international law under the so called sacrosanct standard of sovereinty of the state,

Delegate, International Law does not have to be followed if a state views it as detremental to said state.

[ooc: have you seen the United States? it kicks out of Intl Law all of the time, using that same justification.]

I therefore propose that we shall stop rewarding such behavior by simply considering those despotic governments as if they were worth the respect we show to our fellow democratic leaders,

But, in respect to their people, we shall not exclude them from the UN, so as to bear with this essential value of ours, we shall take into consideration lowering their voting rights to half of that of a democratic representative,

And so on, enforce trade embargoes on weapons and any goods that would enforce despotic reign in any area of the world,

Really, Delegate? Then you are asking member states to decrease their own voting power in this body. That does not sound fair, and we're not going to mention the fact that will be nearly impossible to get nations to vote to lessen their own power in the United Nations. Therefore, this passage derails the resolution's whole concept. There is also the total ineffectuallity of sanctions, and the total devaluation of any other governments than democracy. The United States of MarxHammer requests you cease and desist this matter in all haste.

Eventually, we should extend our policy towards despotic regimes who are not members. And within the UN chart, we should invite non member countries who are democracies, and wish not to join, to hold their seat as observers and associate them in our struggle for the most fair possible standards for humankind.

If that struggle is the forced assimilation of democracy into soveregn nations by the hand of the United Nations, which this undoubtably is, then you will have no assistance from the United States of MarxHammer. In fact, the United States of MarxHammer joins the states of Enn and DemonLordEnigma in full and unrelenting opposition to this matter. The United States of MarxHammer, if this matter continues, will be forced to take actions deemed fit by this state.

If any thing is done with this matter, it will only increase distrust within and among the United Nations, and will undoubtatly start conflict all around the world.

Good day.

Honorable delegate,

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Delegate,

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Really, Delegate?


I just thought I'd point out that proposal authors don't have to be delegates, such as in this case: HM of Atlantis is 'just' a "UN member".

Delegate, International Law does not have to be followed if a state views it as detremental to said state.

[ooc: have you seen the United States? it kicks out of Intl Law all of the time, using that same justification.]

Actually, that is untrue. In NationStates, UN legislation is not optional - it must be followed by all members. We even have an army of UN gnomes to enforce this.

Having said that, this proposal is, as has been pointed out, thoroughly illegal. It's also misguided. We know of many oppressive democracies, and not a few fairly liberal dictatorships. To _Myopia_, the method by which a government is selected is much less important than the laws it passes and the way it treats its populace. As long as it provides for all the rights and freedoms we believe ought to exist, we see no reason to interfere or object.