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U.N. Resolution 12 - Gay Rights

"We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations."

Why this should be repealed and another resolution introduced:

1. In certain systems of goverment, specifically Theocracies, it is in the best interests of citizens to preserve the beliefs upon which their nation is based. This resolution in effect infringes upon those nations who wish to uphold their religious beliefs as law rather than orders by the UN.

2. While protection of minorities (including homosexuals) is an absolutely essential part of society, it should be the decision of individual nations whether or not to accept gay marriage into practice--not the decision of the UN.

I call for your support and endorsement concerning this issue.

I personally would advise against submitting a repeal. That resolution is just too often repealed-attempted for any of the repeals to have much chance. If member nations really want to repeal it, they'll start bandying together. Here's my train of thought:

-->Proposals, especially repeals, that are successful are that way because of a telegram campaign.

-->A telegram campaign needs to reference the delegates to the proposal in question.

-->There are only 2 effective ways to reference delegates to proposals, hyperlinks, and searches

-->If there's already a "Gay Rights" repeal in the proposal list, when delegates search for the repeal of "Gay Rights" they'll find the one already listed.

--> Hyperlinks, especially with so many proposals deleted every day, are typically unreliable.

--> Hyperlink unreliability combined with the inherent disagreement over repeals in general (you almost always have an even lower telegram-to-approval ratio than with a normal proposal) just about make non-search based repeals the only practical option.

Conclusion: If a repeal is to work, it needs to be the only one in the list. Whether this is accomplished via extreme patience and luck or organization of those that submit repeals of a resolution, it must be done for it to be at all likely that most UN resolutions be repealed.

On a side note, before I submitted my two repeals, I waited until there weren't any of the same repeals left in the proposal list. Before you grab an endorsement and rashly try to repeal "Gay Rights" talk to others that don't like it and develop a plan.

And we here probably can't help you with endorements anyway. Endorsements have to come from nations in the same region as you.

Just...plan first.

IC: we would be against this repeal, but
OOC: i know this is going to sound harsh, Freiniana, but this is the umpteenth time that this has come up and every single time it has been heavily shot down. hell, some nations have been glassed because of their argument. its a pitty someone hasnt gone through and counted the amount of times this one has been attempted, as i think i could safely say 100 by now. the only time i supported this, both IC and OOC, was when the repeal was based on redundancy, and even then, it still failed. also, as PC said. read through the game a bit before doing things, and you will have seen that you need 2 endorsments, and those endorsments can only come from fellow UN members in your region. mention doing this repeal, however, and you might not get endorced

U.N. Resolution 12 - Gay Rights

"We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations."

I must congratulate you on the effort in copying that text. Most don't.

Why this should be repealed and another resolution introduced:

1. In certain systems of goverment, specifically Theocracies, it is in the best interests of citizens to preserve the beliefs upon which their nation is based. This resolution in effect infringes upon those nations who wish to uphold their religious beliefs as law rather than orders by the UN.

To be honest, the national sovereignity issue is given less respect than Jesus is by Satanists. And that's assuming they are all the stereotype. The UN does not infringe on their right to believe what they want (it actually protects that), but at the same time the UN really doesn't give a damn if it infringes on their laws. That's pretty much what the UN was designed to do.

2. While protection of minorities (including homosexuals) is an absolutely essential part of society, it should be the decision of individual nations whether or not to accept gay marriage into practice--not the decision of the UN.

See above.

I call for your support and endorsement concerning this issue.

Considering the opposition, I cannot support. There has been a movement inside the NSUN to ban gay marriage for years. I remember it from my first nation and have seen it again with this one. As long as that movement remains, I am not willing to risk a repeal of this resolution. It may be petty, but I would rather my viewpoint be the one in power than risk the other side gaining control.

Oh, and this repeal actually would do nothing anyway. Gay Marriage is also protected by the Definition of Marriage resolution.

Oh, and this repeal actually would do nothing anyway. Gay Marriage is also protected by the Definition of Marriage resolution.
the repeal of which has also come up over a 100 times (i think). well also have come to accept the 'national sovereignity' is irrelevent, as you loose part of it by joining the UN. there are many resolutions passed that infringe on national sovereignity that you would have to repeal half of the UN resolutions in order to get back a decent amount. my only suggestion to a nation that is so worried about national sovereignity is to resign from the UN, because you will never be satisfied. oh, and if you do resign, dont announce it, unless you want a send off from DLE ;)

U.N. Resolution 12 - Gay Rights

"We, the People's Republic of Kundu and the other peoples of the world wishing for the preservation of freedom and the respect of all hereby resolve that all member nations of the United Nations must pass laws protecting people from discrimination in all parts of life. We also resolve that gay marriages be protected and endorsed by law in the member nations."

Why this should be repealed and another resolution introduced:

1. In certain systems of goverment, specifically Theocracies, it is in the best interests of citizens to preserve the beliefs upon which their nation is based. This resolution in effect infringes upon those nations who wish to uphold their religious beliefs as law rather than orders by the UN.

As the UN Resolutions hold higher precedence while you are a member of the UN, it would appear your only alternative is to resign.



2. While protection of minorities (including homosexuals) is an absolutely essential part of society, it should be the decision of individual nations whether or not to accept gay marriage into practice--not the decision of the UN.


The UN thought otherwise and passed a resolution saying so. The resolution overrides your laws. You agreed that was the case when you clicked "Join UN". This is spelled out clearly in the UN FAQ. It is also mentioned, UN Resolutions only affect UN member nations.

Draw your own conclusions.

This resolution doesn't force a country to have gay marriage it resolution 81. This resolution just ensure that gays will be granted equal rights.

Thank you all for your input regarding this issue. While I wish there was more that could be done, I'm glad you all offered information regarding the issue.

I'm new to the site, so I'm still learning how things are done around here.

thats okay. there are quite a few like you. sometimes we get a tad narky because we have seen the issue come up over and over again.

thats okay. there are quite a few like you. sometimes we get a tad narky because we have seen the issue come up over and over again.
and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, ad nausium.

In fact, I would go so far to say that there has probably been at least one repeal attempt in the queue every day since repeals were introduced, frequently more than one.

seriously boss? wouldnt surprise me though......