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Open Skies

Understanding that a monopoly both limits choice and leads to artificially high prices.

Understanding that the right of people to choose forces corporations to improve their safety and lowers prices.

Realising that aircraft registered in one nation may not meet the safety standards of a second nation

Believing that open skies, while a free trade proposal, would lead to an increase in employment in the air transportation industry in all United Nations member states

It is proposed that:
1. Any corporation that provides air transportation (be it in aeroplanes, helicopters, dirigible airship, non-dirigible airship or orbital craft), registered in any country may fly from any port of origin to any destination
2. All aircraft flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation
3. All aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability
4. Any country is free to impose further security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
5. No country is free to impose further restriction regarding aircraft serviceability on aircraft en route to or departing from their country

Any comments?

2. All aircraft flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation
3. All aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability


What are these regulations? They need to be specified if you're going to cite them in your proposal.

we agree with hersfold on this, and also point out the fact that this wouldnt cover non-NSUN countries. their safety standards sometimes dont meet ours, so are we to prevent them entering a UN nation's airspace? also, we need those safety standards enforced. sometimes, in order to keep prices competative with others, some companies cut corners.

My heavy bombers are going to love this.

"Alright, we're flying over your capital."
"You CAN'T!"
"According to the Open Skies Resolution, we can, and there's not thing one you can do about it."

*BOOM!*

My heavy bombers are going to love this.

"Alright, we're flying over your capital."
"You CAN'T!"
"According to the Open Skies Resolution, we can, and there's not thing one you can do about it."

*BOOM!*
oh, and there is this too.... then again, whats stopping you now Vastiva?

Anti-aircraft weaponry, mostly. And being detected. But under this proposal, even if you detect me, you can't stop me. :D

Anti-aircraft weaponry, mostly. And being detected. But under this proposal, even if you detect me, you can't stop me. :D
yes, very valid point. this makes this almost as good about the idea of having to formerly declare war :D

Anti-aircraft weaponry, mostly. And being detected. But under this proposal, even if you detect me, you can't stop me. :D

Apart from under section 4:
Any country is free to impose further security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country

I suppose a nation could restrict all weapons or explosives in the name of security? But I still agree, it's not a great proposal at the moment. But give it a bit of polish and work, and it could be reasonable :)

Apart from under section 4:
Any country is free to impose further security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country

I suppose a nation could restrict all weapons or explosives in the name of security? But I still agree, it's not a great proposal at the moment. But give it a bit of polish and work, and it could be reasonable :)
ooooo, exploitve loophole! oops, shouldnt have said that :/

Comments recieved and understood.

Understanding that a monopoly both limits choice and leads to artificially high prices.

Understanding that the right of people to choose forces corporations to improve their safety and lowers prices.

Realising that aircraft registered in one nation may not meet the safety standards of a second nation

Believing that open skies, while a free trade proposal, would lead to an increase in employment in the air transportation industry in all United Nations member states

It is proposed that:
Section I
1. Any corporation that provides air transportation (be it in aeroplanes, helicopters, dirigible airship, non-dirigible airship or orbital craft), registered in any country may fly from any port of origin to any destination
2. All commercially registered non-military aircraft (hereafter referred to as commercial aircraft) flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation (see section II)
3. All commercial aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability
4. Any country is free to impose security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
5. No country is free to impose further restriction regarding aircraft serviceability on aircraft en route to or departing from their country

Section II-Safety Regulations
1. All commercial aircraft must undergo a complete service after travelling a maximum of a distance equal to that of one circumnavigation at the equator
2. All commercial aircraft whose journey involves travelling over a body of water larger then 50 km must carry enough life jackets for all on board, plus inflatable life rafts that can carry all on board
3. All commercial aircraft must carry a black box recorder capable of withstanding an impact of mach 1, that is able to record the speed, heading, altitude and with audio recording of the cockpit.
4. All commercial aircraft must be equipped with electronic navigation equipment, such as RADAR, with a range of at least 500 km, as well as two way radio communication of the same range
5. Prior to take off, all commercial aircraft must have all their equipment checked
6. All commercial aircraft must display a green light on the furthest starboard extremity and a red light on the furthest port extremity
7. Dirigible airships must only use inert gasses, such as helium, to create lift
8. Pilots and captains of all commercial aircraft must not be under the influence of drink or other debilitating drugs, and must have eyesight of at least 20/20 and must not be colour blind


That better?

the circumnavigation of the equator? how far is that? and on which planet in nationstates are you basing this?

this is a question that will come up. some countries might complain, because their planet is small, there for they might have to do the services more regularly than ones of a bigger planet. which brings up another point. some planets are bigger, therefor there are greater intervals between sevicing. (ooc: this next is based on terry pratchett's discworld, which some could base their nation in) IC: and some plantets dont have an equator because they are flat.

other than that, sounds fine. also, another suggestion, make some references to interplanetary travel. while this seems odd in an aircraft resolution, when they are not in space, they are actually in some nation's airspace

I was going by RL earth (which I know I shouldn't do!), so 40,000km? Seems reasonable. I forgot that nation states included planetary nations.

Understanding that a monopoly both limits choice and leads to artificially high prices.

Understanding that the right of people to choose forces corporations to improve their safety and lowers prices.

Realising that aircraft registered in one nation may not meet the safety standards of a second nation

Believing that open skies, while a free trade proposal, would lead to an increase in employment in the air transportation industry in all United Nations member states

It is proposed that:
Section I
1. Any corporation that provides air transportation (be it in aeroplanes, helicopters, dirigible airship, non-dirigible airship, orbital craft and interplanetary craft), registered in any country may fly from any port of origin to any destination
2. All commercially registered non-military aircraft (hereafter referred to as commercial aircraft) flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation (see section II)
3. All commercial aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability
4. Any country is free to impose security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
5. No country is free to impose further restriction regarding aircraft serviceability on aircraft en route to or departing from their country

Section II-Safety Regulations
1. All commercial aircraft (excluding interplanetary craft) must undergo a complete service after travelling a maximum of a distance of 40,000km. Interplanetary craft must undergo a complete service after completing their journey
2. All commercial aircraft whose journey involves travelling over a body of water larger then 50 km must carry enough life jackets for all on board, plus inflatable life rafts that can carry all on board
4. All interplanetary and orbital craft must carry a fully provisioned escape pod or pods large enough to carry all on board
5. All commercial aircraft must carry a black box recorder capable of withstanding an impact of mach 1, that is able to record the speed, heading, altitude and with audio recording of the cockpit.
6. All commercial aircraft must be equipped with electronic navigation equipment, such as RADAR, with a range of at least 500 km, as well as two way radio communication of the same range. Interplanetary aircraft must carry navigation equipment and two way radio of a distance of 10,000 km
7. Prior to take off, all commercial aircraft must have all their equipment checked
8. All commercial aircraft must display a green light on the furthest starboard extremity and a red light on the furthest port extremity
9. Dirigible airships must only use inert gasses, such as helium, to create lift
10. Pilots and captains of all commercial aircraft must not be under the influence of drink or other debilitating drugs, and must have eyesight of at least 20/20 and must not be colour blind
11. All pilots must file a flight plan and get both landing and take off clearance from the port of origin and destination prior to take off


This proposal is NOT about turning the skies into a free for all, just to stop countries from insisting only their national airline's plane land in their country

thats a bit better

Well, if anyone thinks I have ommitted anything glaryingly obvious, pleace let me know. I would be grateful for specific ammendments

Oh, and it applies to orbital craft as well... This means I can park one of my 35 million metric ton, 3+ kilometer long Kali class starships over any NSUN nation I want? Cool beans!

I can see it now!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Sir", says Lt. Metlus, "atmospheric entry complete, we are taking station over the Cobdenia's capital city.... We are getting communications from the Cobdenians... They are demanding that we leave their airspace!"

"Mr. Metlus," says Vice Admiral Hood, "Tell them the Loki has no intention of leaving. We have just right to be here under the provisions of the Open Skies resolution."

"I think we have their response sir, they have aircraft opening fire on us." says Lt. Metlus.

"That is an act of war!" screams VADM Hood... "Man all cannon batteries, begin firing at their governmental buildings. Avoid any civilians..."

*Plasma and phased particle cannons begin trainging on governmental buildings accross the capital, bolts of high-enrgy plasma, and streams of exotic particles vaporizing whole buildings....

~~~~~~

The once capital of Cobdenia....
http://www.geocities.com/tekcomputers/impact.jpg

Hehe, good point! I've added Section two paragraph 11 and I-6 to sort that out.

Understanding that a monopoly both limits choice and leads to artificially high prices.

Understanding that the right of people to choose forces corporations to improve their safety and lowers prices.

Realising that aircraft registered in one nation may not meet the safety standards of a second nation

Believing that open skies, while a free trade proposal, would lead to an increase in employment in the air transportation industry in all United Nations member states

It is proposed that:
Section I
1. Any corporation that provides air transportation (be it in aeroplanes, helicopters, dirigible airship, non-dirigible airship, orbital craft and interplanetary craft), registered in any country may fly from any port of origin to any destination
2. All commercially registered non-military aircraft (hereafter referred to as commercial aircraft) flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation (see section II)
3. All commercial aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability
4. Any country is free to impose security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
5. No country is free to impose further restriction regarding aircraft serviceability on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
6. No country may refuse to give clearance to an aircraft because it is registered in another country, unless it fails to meet the regulations in section II or if the nations port facilities are unable to cope with the craft in question.

Section II-Safety Regulations
1. All commercial aircraft (excluding interplanetary craft) must undergo a complete service after travelling a maximum of a distance of 40,000km. Interplanetary craft must undergo a complete service after completing their journey
2. All commercial aircraft whose journey involves travelling over a body of water larger then 50 km must carry enough life jackets for all on board, plus inflatable life rafts that can carry all on board
4. All interplanetary and orbital craft must carry a fully provisioned escape pod or pods large enough to carry all on board
5. All commercial aircraft must carry a black box recorder capable of withstanding an impact of mach 1, that is able to record the speed, heading, altitude and with audio recording of the cockpit.
6. All commercial aircraft must be equipped with electronic navigation equipment, such as RADAR, with a range of at least 500 km, as well as two way radio communication of the same range. Interplanetary aircraft must carry navigation equipment and two way radio of a distance of 10,000 km
7. Prior to take off, all commercial aircraft must have all their equipment checked
8. All commercial aircraft must display a green light on the furthest starboard extremity and a red light on the furthest port extremity
9. Dirigible airships must only use inert gasses, such as helium, to create lift
10. Pilots and captains of all commercial aircraft must not be under the influence of drink or other debilitating drugs, and must have eyesight of at least 20/20 and must not be colour blind
11. All pilots must file a flight plan and get both landing and take off clearance from the port of origin and destination prior to take off

Much better...

Hmm. I see nothing I oppose. Good job.

Section I
1. Any corporation that provides air transportation (be it in aeroplanes, helicopters, dirigible airship, non-dirigible airship, orbital craft and interplanetary craft), registered in any country may fly from any port of origin to any destination
2. All commercially registered non-military aircraft (hereafter referred to as commercial aircraft) flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation (see section II)
3. All commercial aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability
4. Any country is free to impose security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
5. No country is free to impose further restriction regarding aircraft serviceability on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
6. No country may refuse to give clearance to an aircraft because it is registered in another country, unless it fails to meet the regulations in section II or if the nations port facilities are unable to cope with the craft in question.


Alter part 6 to include refusal for war, embargo, and the like.


Section II-Safety Regulations
1. All commercial aircraft (excluding interplanetary craft) must undergo a complete service after travelling a maximum of a distance of 40,000km. Interplanetary craft must undergo a complete service after completing their journey
2. All commercial aircraft whose journey involves travelling over a body of water larger then 50 km must carry enough life jackets for all on board, plus inflatable life rafts that can carry all on board
4. All interplanetary and orbital craft must carry a fully provisioned escape pod or pods large enough to carry all on board
5. All commercial aircraft must carry a black box recorder capable of withstanding an impact of mach 1, that is able to record the speed, heading, altitude and with audio recording of the cockpit.
6. All commercial aircraft must be equipped with electronic navigation equipment, such as RADAR, with a range of at least 500 km, as well as two way radio communication of the same range. Interplanetary aircraft must carry navigation equipment and two way radio of a distance of 10,000 km
7. Prior to take off, all commercial aircraft must have all their equipment checked
8. All commercial aircraft must display a green light on the furthest starboard extremity and a red light on the furthest port extremity
9. Dirigible airships must only use inert gasses, such as helium, to create lift
10. Pilots and captains of all commercial aircraft must not be under the influence of drink or other debilitating drugs, and must have eyesight of at least 20/20 and must not be colour blind
11. All pilots must file a flight plan and get both landing and take off clearance from the port of origin and destination prior to take off

"All aircraft must meet the following minimum standards"

Due to 200 mph winds and gawdawful conditions, our black boxes are able to survive impacts to mach 6. Downgrading them to survive mach 1 would result in fewer recoveries.

Other then those small changes, we support.

Alter part 6 to include refusal for war, embargo, and the like.
agree there. this circumvents embargos etc, so they need to be included


"All aircraft must meet the following minimum standards"

Due to 200 mph winds and gawdawful conditions, our black boxes are able to survive impacts to mach 6. Downgrading them to survive mach 1 would result in fewer recoveries.

Other then those small changes, we support.
no offence, Vas, but it does say minimum standards. it means if your aircraft can survive greater extremes, it is okay, but if it doesnt meet that initial minimum, it isn.

no offence, Vas, but it does say minimum standards. it means if your aircraft can survive greater extremes, it is okay, but if it doesnt meet that initial minimum, it isn.

Even my civilian craft are at least sub-orbital, so I don't really care. But, it could be changed to say "meet or exceed".

Even my civilian craft are at least sub-orbital, so I don't really care. But, it could be changed to say "meet or exceed".
that might be a good idea. it is kind of like how people misinterpret the 40 hours work week res

I believe in relation to provision 5:

5. All commercial aircraft must carry a black box recorder capable of withstanding an impact of mach 1, that is able to record the speed, heading, altitude and with audio recording of the cockpit.

Would not necessitate the downgrade of the BB's capabilities to survivability of Mach 1. Since a BB capable of withstanding a Mach6 impact would be able to survive a Mach1 impact as well.

Understanding that a monopoly both limits choice and leads to artificially high prices.

Understanding that the right of people to choose forces corporations to improve their safety and lowers prices.

Realising that aircraft registered in one nation may not meet the safety standards of a second nation

Believing that open skies, while a free trade proposal, would lead to an increase in employment in the air transportation industry in all United Nations member states

It is proposed that:
Section I
1. Any corporation that provides air transportation (be it in aeroplanes, helicopters, dirigible airship, non-dirigible airship, orbital craft and interplanetary craft), registered in any country may fly from any port of origin to any destination
2. All commercially registered non-military aircraft (hereafter referred to as commercial aircraft) flying internationally must comply to international air safety and security regulation (see section II)
3. All commercial aircraft flying domestically, whether in the country they are registered in or any other UN country, must comply to international air safety regulations regarding aircraft serviceability
4. Any country is free to impose security restrictions on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
5. No country is free to impose further restriction regarding aircraft serviceability on aircraft en route to or departing from their country
6. No country may refuse to give clearance to an aircraft because it is registered in another country, unless it fails to meet the regulations in section II, if the nations port facilities are unable to cope with the craft in question, or in the case of war, embargo, sanctions or the like.

Section II-All Aircraft must meet or excede the following safety regulations
1. All commercial aircraft (excluding interplanetary craft) must undergo a complete service after travelling a maximum of a distance of 40,000km. Interplanetary craft must undergo a complete service after completing their journey
2. All commercial aircraft whose journey involves travelling over a body of water larger then 50 km must carry enough life jackets for all on board, plus inflatable life rafts that can carry all on board
4. All interplanetary and orbital craft must carry a fully provisioned escape pod or pods large enough to carry all on board
5. All commercial aircraft must carry a black box recorder capable of withstanding a impact of mach 1 or higher, that is able to record the speed, heading, altitude and with audio recording of the cockpit.
6. All commercial aircraft must be equipped with electronic navigation equipment, such as RADAR, with a range of at least 500 km, as well as two way radio communication of the same range. Interplanetary aircraft must carry navigation equipment and two way radio of a distance of 10,000 km
7. Prior to take off, all commercial aircraft must have all their equipment checked
8. All commercial aircraft must display a green light on the furthest starboard extremity and a red light on the furthest port extremity
9. Dirigible airships must only use inert gasses, such as helium, to create lift
10. Pilots and captains of all commercial aircraft must not be under the influence of drink or other debilitating drugs, and must have eyesight of at least 20/20 and must not be colour blind
11. All pilots must file a flight plan and get both landing and take off clearance from the port of origin and destination prior to take off

I've only got 8 characters left, so there better not be anything else!

Just a tip Cobdenia when writing proposals - sometimes you can use & instead of and, it saves some space :)

Looks good, i shall be voting for it.

Just a tip Cobdenia when writing proposals - sometimes you can use & instead of and, it saves some space
Good idea. I hadn;t thought of that. In the Diplomatic Immunity porposal (which didn't make Quorum. Unfortunately) I was forced to remove two clauses and lots of punctuation...

I'll try to drum up support from the South Pacific.

looks good.... i will be off for a couple of days, so i wont be able to help with a telegram campain. this looks to be a UN worthy resolution.

Good idea. I hadn;t thought of that. In the Diplomatic Immunity porposal (which didn't make Quorum. Unfortunately) I was forced to remove two clauses and lots of punctuation...

No problems, I've got a bit of experience when it comes to cramming proposals into a small enough space - have a look at rights of indigenous peoples - the first draft was double the legal limit.

I've submitted it. Please petition your Regional Delegates for approval

Approved, though with some reservation due to the fact that the numbering in section II goes 1, 2, 4.

Bugger. Didn't notice that.... :headbang:

Nice proposal, Approved.

Approved, despite the 1, 2, 4... (I didn't notice that on the proposals queue either!)

Here's a spare three to make up for the lapse.
3
That better?

Here's a spare three to make up for the lapse.
3
That better?

It helps. :D

It releaves me greatly to see the three. It would have been a disaster. Why, none of the proposals before this have had any sort of spelling or grammer errors and are generally faultless. The lack of the three would have rocked the UN to it's core.

Here's a spare three to make up for the lapse.
3
That better?
Just be glad that resolution 245A was removed during the move to Jolt.:D

Too Bushesque.

I'm all for free trade, but I believe there's a better approach.

Too Bushesque.

I'm all for free trade, but I believe there's a better approach.

We're sorry, but we have not found any world leader named Bush in NS. Please log out and try again.

Too Bushesque.

I'm all for free trade, but I believe there's a better approach.

Explain what the better approach would be...

Considering re-submitting this with a telegram campaign. Any thoughts?