NationStates Jolt Archive

First of all, let me excuse myself and my country for posting this thread in two different forums, I'm sorry.

My nation, The Holy Empire of Rodinea, is proposing the creation of low income communities and cities among our nations.
This bill requires the government to buy land that is not being used, find contractors to develop the land if needed, and build low to middle income cities and towns. This bill also gives large tax incentives to large corporations and businesses and small enterprises and small businesses (if able) to locate branches of their businesses into this low-income city. This proposal also makes available low to no tuition training courses in jobs that will have a better chance of energizing the economy.
These industries include jobs in the: electronics industry, automobile industry, local industries (whatever your nation specializes in), and any industries later added to this proposal by other willing and helpful nations.
This will lower the unemployment rate, raise the productivity rate, and will [theoretically] lower the spending on welfare to null. If this does not work, the only explanation left will be to blame the laziness of your people, and to blame your government for aiding their laziness by providing welfare.

please post on this thread. i know any suggestion that you may have will be constructive. and if you disagree, or have something to add before i propose it, keep it at that, constructive criticism.

Lord and Commerce,

Rodinea

The Venerable Libertarians are of the opinion that Many Nations where the Economy is thriving would be against a Nation focused resolution that basically gave a disadvantaged nation an upper hand in attracting International Business. We are aware of the Many Nations who have sprawling slums full of poorly educated and possibly unemployable peoples. However we are of the mind that this should not be a UN concern other than maybe in the form of aid for Education programmes and possibly the use of UN organisations to promote health and safety amongst the poorest of any nation’s peoples.
The Government of an individual Nation is charged with ensuring the Happiness, wealth and prosperity of its people and not the UN. Wither or not that body chooses to do so is entirely up to them.
The Venerable Libertarians is constantly giving aid in the form of Several Billion Hibernic Dollars to other less fortunate nations when they come calling with their hands out. Providing "Low Income Communities/Cities" is in our view just another term for Ghetto and is by its own volition Welfare!

We are of the opinion that a person's status in life is the result of the choices they make. If a nation has sprawling masses of poor, that nation needs to make better choices. Giving out charity to such nations is interfering with them learning from the mistakes they have made.

And, yes, we were once a poor nation. We didn't get where we are through charity, but through our own hard work.

As the "poor" in Vastiva are still millionaires, and still make a fantastic living in the International Business field, we find no reason for this resolution. There are no "slums", we have no "poor" as such, and we are not interested in underwriting other nations failures.

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't read that right, but are you actually proposing to segregate poor people from the rest of the population and put them into re-education camps?

No, sir. I am not segregating unwelathy persons from persons of wealth. As this resolution has plainly stated, this will involve VOLUNTARY, LOW TO NO COST TRAINING IN AREAS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE NATION. (pardon the use of caps here, I am just highlighting the areas I wished to put into the forefront. )
Now, if one is to go through training, that has prepared him/her to go apply and attain a job at a higher level, one's idea would be to move to a place where this job would be availabe to him. Or at least, that is what my idea would be.

No, sir. I am not segregating unwelathy persons from persons of wealth. As this resolution has plainly stated, this will involve VOLUNTARY, LOW TO NO COST TRAINING IN AREAS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE NATION. (pardon the use of caps here, I am just highlighting the areas I wished to put into the forefront. )
Now, if one is to go through training, that has prepared him/her to go apply and attain a job at a higher level, one's idea would be to move to a place where this job would be availabe to him. Or at least, that is what my idea would be.

That's still charity.

Do you have proof the people didn't end up there because of their choices? If so, that is a societal problem you must fix in your own nation.

How is encouraging poverty going to aid my nation?

Umn, how is this to be funded?

Are funds to be reallocated within each nationstate, or between nationstates? That makes a huge difference.

Your proposal, alas, presumes that nationstates have large underutilized areas. My 365 million citizens are squeezed in our part of our beautiful, but small, tropical island. We are already building undersea dome cities to meet the needs of our ever-expanding population.

Where are we to build these ghettoes? On the Vastivan icebergs we have delivered to meet our potable water needs?

Vastiva will help in building domes if you like - we're very good at domes - but we think you might be more interested in our sea habitats - which extend out of the water, and straight down, much like apartment buildings.

No, sir. I am not segregating unwelathy persons from persons of wealth. As this resolution has plainly stated, this will involve VOLUNTARY, LOW TO NO COST TRAINING IN AREAS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE NATION. (pardon the use of caps here, I am just highlighting the areas I wished to put into the forefront. )

If your first post is the text of the resolution, then it isn't clear at all.

Now, if one is to go through training, that has prepared him/her to go apply and attain a job at a higher level, one's idea would be to move to a place where this job would be availabe to him. Or at least, that is what my idea would be.

Why can't they do it in existing cities? Doesn't that make it a lot easier, since the infrastructure is already there, the employers are already there, and the people are already living there? Why the need to build new settlements? What about our nature reserves, national parks and the green belts which we want to keep undeveloped?

If this does not work, the only explanation left will be to blame the laziness of your people, and to blame your government for aiding their laziness by providing welfare.

That's a very inflammatory statement, you know. Or can't you accept that it may not work because the very idea is flawed? I'm not going to try to change your mind on the importance of welfare because I just don't have the energy to get into a protracted debate. Just realise that when you say that I'm "aiding laziness" by providing help to people who need it I get quite offended.