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My fellow UN Members:

There comes a time when we look into the future and reallize that the enviroment slowly is degrading. As we take step to improve our way of life, lets think about Nations that cannot improve themself for lack of funding. Nations that live in barren and inhospital landscapes. These Nations maybe taking steps to improve there situation. So we have to be will to lead a helping hand.

My proposal will allow these UN Nations to be given assistance. Please read over the prosal. For as small as each of our contributions towards the goal of improving these Nations is a small price to pay. In the end we will succeed in acheiving pleasant place for all man-kind.

Thank You

Mikeyo

The Holy Empire of Madsac

Another M.O.S.S. proposal.

It is prefered that you post it here. Otherwise, some of us, who do not have the time to look over all proposals just to find yours, may decide to poke fun and redicule it all the while having no intention of supporting.

It's generally appated if you post a copy on the forums.
Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Madsac

Description: The Proposal asks us to raise funding to help support UN ruled Nations needing support towards Geographical repair. Nations requiring aid must apply with the standard UN processed application. Those Nations approved will receive the following.

1. Economical support to fund the reconstruction of Geographical Locations.

2. Support to improve existing bodies of water and decrease harmful toxins that may or may not exist within the water they consume.

3. Donation of equipment to assist with the above said tasks.


Some tasks within the assistance may include: fertilization of agricultural areas, redeveloping of colonized areas, and restructuring industrial areas so they can become more efficient environmentally.

Funding for this program will be generated by UN Nations by adding an income tax towards industry business starting at %.001 and can be increased if a UN Nation decides other wise. It is a little price to pay to help suffering nations.

Description: The Proposal asks us to raise funding to help support UN ruled Nations needing support towards Geographical repair. Nations requiring aid must apply with the standard UN processed application. Those Nations approved will receive the following.

We don't have an application. You'll have to create one. And the approval requirements as well. And the committee to approve it.

1. Economical support to fund the reconstruction of Geographical Locations.

I don't see why. They made the choice to make it that way. They should suck it up, accept the consequences, and do the work entirely on their own with their own money. After all, they destroyed it on their own.

2. Support to improve existing bodies of water and decrease harmful toxins that may or may not exist within the water they consume.

See above, replace "destroyed" with "polluted".

3. Donation of equipment to assist with the above said tasks.

See #1.

Some tasks within the assistance may include: fertilization of agricultural areas, redeveloping of colonized areas, and restructuring industrial areas so they can become more efficient environmentally.

Hey, if they want to do it that badly, they can do it on their own. We're not a charity, after all.

Funding for this program will be generated by UN Nations by adding an income tax towards industry business starting at %.001 and can be increased if a UN Nation decides other wise. It is a little price to pay to help suffering nations.

Illegal. The UN cannot tax the citizens of a nation.

Illegal. The UN cannot tax the citizens of a nation.
Is taxing industry the same as taxing the citizens?

I'd say yes.


Main Entry: cor·po·ra·tion
Pronunciation: "kor-p&-'rA-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Late Latin corporatio, from Latin corporare to form into a body, from corpor- corpus body

: an invisible, intangible, artificial creation of the law existing as a voluntary chartered association of individuals that has most of the rights and duties of natural persons but with perpetual existence and limited liability.

Emphasis added.

Corporations can't usually vote, so perhaps they're not citizens. But I wouldn't read that resolution as suggesting the UN can tax immigrants or tourists.

Her Royal Loveliness, Queen Smukke XIII, cannot understand why a nation that has taken due care with its envornment, fully accepting the economic constraints (e.g., keeping the rainforest intact rather than taking a short-term economic gain), should help one that has huge industry and (thus) wealth from exploiting its natural resources.

Let them eat cake.

Is taxing industry the same as taxing the citizens?

Remember: You are not actually taxing the industry, but the people who own it. If it is owned by civilians, then yes. If not, then no. Quite a few UN nations, including my own, have the majority of their industry owned by civilians.

I will help poorer nations if of course Zota 2 can get a heavily populated coastal area for this help , and an alliance with this nation and bases over this contries which will give many jobs

This proposal was ment to assist nations. Even though they maybe the ones that cause the inital destruction of their enviroment the fact that they wish to overcome and to rebuild you have some warrant. I don't know if I can adjust the proposal if it is approved, but if is is not I will make sure in future proposals to add: The Nation can only receive assistance once. If they screw up and need additional they will be denied. (Not in those exact words)

As for taxing business: %.001 is a very low taxable income. A company that grosses a billion dollars in one year will only pay 10,000. To a Business that big it would not seem as much.

My fellow UN Members if you may, give me some advise on what you would change about the proposal so if I re-write the proposal I will know what to put in it that is more appealing to you.

Respectfully yours,

Mikeyo

What should you change about the proposal?

*deep breath*

Redistribution of wealth between nationstates is morally repugnant. The Grand Duchy of YGSM will never support it in any fashion. Change your proposal to say that nationstates will tax themselves to clean up their own mess.

This proposal was ment to assist nations. Even though they maybe the ones that cause the inital destruction of their enviroment the fact that they wish to overcome and to rebuild you have some warrant. I don't know if I can adjust the proposal if it is approved, but if is is not I will make sure in future proposals to add: The Nation can only receive assistance once. If they screw up and need additional they will be denied. (Not in those exact words)

DLE holds, as a nation, the belief that any consequence suffered from actions you have taken are entirely your fault and up to you to suffer. We do not feel we should interfere in other people's messes that they have created because it prevents them from learning from their mistakes. DLE itself is a nation where you rise or fall based on your personal choices in life.

As for taxing business: %.001 is a very low taxable income. A company that grosses a billion dollars in one year will only pay 10,000. To a Business that big it would not seem as much.

Doesn't change the legallity of it. Drop the taxes entirely.

My fellow UN Members if you may, give me some advise on what you would change about the proposal so if I re-write the proposal I will know what to put in it that is more appealing to you.

Simple: Make it optional, in addition to the above.

How about this:

If I choose to repropose this proposal in the future I will make it optional for UN Nations to contribute, i.e. taxes. I will make it a little more clearer that Nations Appling have to be a UN Nation.

UN appointed inspectors have to survey their Nation to approve of this assistance with much scrutiny. There will be cap as of the maxium amount they can receive. Then based of their current economical situation will determind how much aid is given. An example would be if a Nation has a strong Economy then they will either not receive aid or a very small ammount.

Off character moment: Hey I thank you guys for helping me out. I have had a great time talking about this proposal. It looks like it won't get past, but after reading the posts and reviewing other resolutions and proposals I will make any future proposal better look.

Thank you for your time.

Mikeyo

This proposal is suggesting that we give money to nations that destroy their own environment. This sounds a rather silly idea to me, since it will give them an incentive to do so, while costing nations that do look after thier environments.

The UN passes resolutions that are aimed at preserving the environment. This rather defeats the objective of environmental preservation, don't you think?