NationStates Jolt Archive

I want to make a proposal forcing governments to support research leading to extra-uteral fetal development. This would eliminate the abortion debate, as a fetus could be removed from the mother and brought to term in the womb of a willing female, or in a special incubator. The resulting child could then be put up for adoption, or raised by the surrogate mother should she wish to keep it.
The only problem is that I'm not sure what category to put it in, or whether it's a legal proposal type.

The proposal should also include research into genetic engineering.

I'm considering building an undersea dome off the shore of my nation, and if we could give all the kids gills it would be a huge help.

umm... yeah, you can put gill children into your own nation's agenda. This is about eliminating the necessity for abortion.

While it may be technically legal to propose, it's my experience that you can't legislate scientific advancement. Throwing money at the problem creates bureaucracies, not science.

I want to make a proposal forcing governments to support research leading to extra-uteral fetal development. This would eliminate the abortion debate, as a fetus could be removed from the mother and brought to term in the womb of a willing female, or in a special incubator. The resulting child could then be put up for adoption, or raised by the surrogate mother should she wish to keep it.
The only problem is that I'm not sure what category to put it in, or whether it's a legal proposal type.

Hmmm.

Technically, a fetalparasite moved to a "special incubator" has still not passed our three way test (they are separate from the mother, they are external, but they haven't taken a breath on their own yet), so would still be abortable at the mother's request.

Tricky.

Would almost have to mandate that any conceptus is alive and deserving of rights, and if not wanted by the mother must be handed over to the government (to develop) as a ward of the state, or be developed and custody given to the father. (That is if you want it to end the abortion debate)

Pretty progressive. Very controversial.

Tricky.

Would almost have to mandate that any conceptus is alive and deserving of rights, and if not wanted by the mother must be handed over to the government (to develop) as a ward of the state, or be developed and custody given to the father. (That is if you want it to end the abortion debate)

Pretty progressive. Very controversial.

And why should the state pay for it?

And why should the state pay for it?

Personally, AP does not think it should. If it worked the parents should have to pay for the incubation. It becomes part of the responsibility people assume when they have sex. Then, if the developed human being is still not wanted after incubation, the parents may give up the child to the state for care or adoption. Perhaps maybe adoptive parents or those incapable of having children may pay for the incubation so that they may adopt the child.

If a Nation accepts such a position of recognizing a conceptus and mandating incubation, accepting it as a ward is the price to be paid-perhaps even incubation if members of the citizenry can not afford adhering to the legislation.

(Most other programs mandate government paying for everything, that is why my original post was worded as such. Figured it would fall in line that way.)

I throw cost in because it forces people to think outside of their morals and realize the costs associated with their ideology. Makes them realize the economic sacrifice exists, and whether they are actually willing to pay for it.

I throw cost in because it forces people to think outside of their morals and realize the costs associated with their ideology. Makes them realize the economic sacrifice exists, and whether they are actually willing to pay for it.

*watches a bunch of idealists choke on this one*


Eeep... Urik... zhack....


Damnit AP, no fair getting realistic on them! Their wittle heads might explode.

Wait, that would give us ratings....

More! More!

Hmmm.

Technically, a fetalparasite moved to a "special incubator" has still not passed our three way test (they are separate from the mother, they are external, but they haven't taken a breath on their own yet), so would still be abortable at the mother's request.
"mother"?

i don't see that there's a mother anymore at that point.

seems like another socratic attempt to destroy the nuclear family.

Lord Jehvah, the goa'uld underlord tasked with representing his Ruler in the UN, looked through the proposal. He was reminded of the arcane technologies rumoured to create the Kull Warriors, faceless soldier beings whose true identity remained a mystery.

With a slight shudder, he put that proposal down and moved on to the next.