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24 hours is way too little time to do what you want to do in a day. Sleeping rocks, so you will want 10 hours of sleep. Then lets say you work 8 hours, and add 1 hour before and after for awaking, eating breakfast, getting to work, lunchbrake, etc. Now we've spent 20 hours. There's only 4 hours left? I mean, damn. I propose that we change the 24 hour period to 30 hours. 10 hours of sleep, 10 hours of work, and 10 hours of doing what you want. If we get enough signatures, maybe we can make the govnerment find a new moon for the earth and make this happen. Now who's with me?



Name: Proposal to Extend the 24 Hour Period
Category: Environmental (A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry)
Industry Affected: All Businesses

RECALLING NSUN Resolution #36, Freedom Of Humor, and #2, Scientific Freedom,

REALIZING that 24 hours is way too little time to do what you want to do in a day,

RECOGNIZING that sleeping rocks, so you will want 10 hours of sleep.

HYPOTHESIZING that you work 8 hours, and add 1 hour before and after for awaking, eating breakfast, getting to work, lunchbrake, etc,

DEEPLY DISTURBED that now you've spent 20 hours. There's only 4 hours left?

THE UN DECLARES ACCORDINGLY that we change the 24 hour period to 30 hours: 10 hours of sleep, 10 hours of work, and 10 hours of doing what you want.

THE UN DEMANDS a search to find a new moon to slow the planetary rotation,

FURTHER APPROVES an expedition to dislodge that moon from its current orbit and bring it into the world's orbit,

AUTHORIZES formation of a new time standard.

The proposer may or may not be a member of the UN. or of nationstates, for that matter.
The proposal was made on Teh Board Which Must Not Be Named, and it needs some polishing.

Some help with the formatting, maybe?

24 hours is way too little time to do what you want to do in a day. Sleeping rocks, so you will want 10 hours of sleep. Then lets say you work 8 hours, and add 1 hour before and after for awaking, eating breakfast, getting to work, lunchbrake, etc. Now we've spent 20 hours. There's only 4 hours left? I mean, damn. I propose that we change the 24 hour period to 30 hours. 10 hours of sleep, 10 hours of work, and 10 hours of doing what you want. If we get enough signatures, maybe we can make the govnerment find a new moon for the earth and make this happen. Now who's with me?

Oh my Gods! Talk about infringing on national sovereignty! I'm so offended! What makes you think that individual nations who want thirty-hour days can't just go ahead and relocate to planets that would satisfy their thirty-hour-day-longing?! I'm appalled that you would even suggest that others would fund something like this.

That said, I'd approve it.

No no no! to achieve this, the planet would have to have its rotation slowed. Thus increasing gravity! This would also impact on the geographic location of the Realm, where in summer we have longer days and in winter, longer nights. if this were approved the lenght of days and nights would be intolerable. And what about the Polar regions? Ice floes would almost certainly completely melt and then freeze again during the even longer winter!
This would give rise to higher seasonal tides.

No no no! to achieve this, the planet would have to have its rotation slowed. Thus increasing gravity! This would also impact on the geographic location of the Realm, where in summer we have longer days and in winter, longer nights. if this were approved the lenght of days and nights would be intolerable. And what about the Polar regions? Ice floes would almost certainly completely melt and then freeze again during the even longer winter!
This would give rise to higher seasonal tides.

This doesn't do a thing to gravity. Gravity is caused by mass, not rotation. You're thinking of... that other thing which I can't remember the name of... yeah, that.

But the other points are pretty good.

No no no! to achieve this, the planet would have to have its rotation slowed. Thus increasing gravity! This would also impact on the geographic location of the Realm, where in summer we have longer days and in winter, longer nights. if this were approved the lenght of days and nights would be intolerable. And what about the Polar regions? Ice floes would almost certainly completely melt and then freeze again during the even longer winter!
This would give rise to higher seasonal tides.
increasing gravity would certainly contravene the Freedom Of Humor resolution, which this proposal should reference. good point.

if we got a tugboat to haul the planet farther from the sun, that should counteract the increased gravity, wouldn't you think?

This doesn't do a thing to gravity. Gravity is caused by mass, not rotation. You're thinking of... that other thing which I can't remember the name of... yeah, that.

The rotation of the planet actually does effect gravity. It acts to counter it like a massive rotor. If it were to slow its rotation the effects on gravity would be evident but possibly insignificant.
It added weight to my counter claim. (lol pun intended)

This doesn't do a thing to gravity. Gravity is caused by mass, not rotation. You're thinking of... that other thing which I can't remember the name of... yeah, that.

But the other points are pretty good.
no way it took me 6 minutes to post my response.

i think the whole gravity problem could be solved by putting a whole bunch of big moons in orbit. like, say, we steal venus and mars, and maybe smash all their moons together to make one really big moon.






wait. are we trying to create a gravity problem, or solve one?

Centrifugal Force! That's the one!

VL: I didn't actually know that. Thankyou for correcting my correction.

i think the whole gravity problem could be solved by putting a whole bunch of big moons in orbit. like, say, we steal venus and mars, and maybe smash all their moons together to make one really big moon.
I would hate to be living anywhere near a beach in that case. The tides would be beyond anything we've ever had.

Oh, wait. Enn is a coastal city. And OOCly, I live nearby the sea. Stuffed both in NS and RL.

May I suggest an addition that would outlaw daylight savings time? (or whatever it's called when you "Spring Forward" - as opposed to "Fall Back"- and then lose an hour of sleep ... grrrr :mad: I don't like losing my sleep!)

Besides, if that's the case, the sun won't necessarily be rising with daybreak, and the need for additional moons to change how the earth rotates on its axis will be irrelevant. Hee. :D

May I suggest an addition that would outlaw daylight savings time? (or whatever it's called when you "Spring Forward" - as opposed to "Fall Back"- and then lose an hour of sleep ... grrrr :mad: I don't like losing my sleep!)
No! Daylight Savings is good!

In moderation. By the end of the year, you need the extended evenings, while in autumn the day just ends too quickly. Plus, this year (at least as far as the southern hemisphere goes) the losing-an-hour-of-sleep occurs on the Easter long weekend, so people can sleep in.

I would hate to be living anywhere near a beach in that case. The tides would be beyond anything we've ever had.

Oh, wait. Enn is a coastal city. And OOCly, I live nearby the sea. Stuffed both in NS and RL.
My new nation is in one of Citalta's undersea domes, so I wholly support your objection.

Mars and Venus can stay where they are.

I think getting rid of that daylight savings obnoxiousness is a big selling point of this proposal.

Somebody help me figure out a way to promise everyone 18 hours of daylight year-round, and only 12 hours of night.

no way it took me 6 minutes to post my response.
Six OLD minutes, maybe not. I took the liberty of shortening the "second" by approximately 40% in order to squeeze more hours into the day. Ain't mod powers great? Thanks for noticing.

Six OLD minutes, maybe not. I took the liberty of shortening the "second" by approximately 40% in order to squeeze more hours into the day. Ain't mod powers great? Thanks for noticing.
teh french tried that after they lopped of marie antoinette's head.
only part of the metric system that didn't catch on.

no, i don't want shorter hours. i demand longer days!

and after this passes, i'm going to submit a proposal for more days, too!

Life's too short.

I think getting rid of that daylight savings obnoxiousness is a big selling point of this proposal.

Somebody help me figure out a way to promise everyone 18 hours of daylight year-round, and only 12 hours of night.

Given that most of Mikitivity is unsuitable for agriculutural, we'd prefer a longer night. It is easier to misplace tourists this way.

[OOC: Professionally speaking, I hate daylight savings time. It FUBARs my data and causes all sorts of problems when responding to emergencies. Last June a levee broke here in California and when I got back from Germany (a few days after the event) I was tasked with running some water quality forecasts in response to the emergency. I did so, and was told that the levee broke at 9:30 AM. I set up the model, and only months later thought to ask the people, "Is that 9:30 LST or 9:30 PDT?" NEVER, no matter how cool you think it is, give an environmental engineer a time without a time zone! It turns out that the bloody levee broke at 6:51 PST, which would be 7:51 PDT ... how that got translated to 9:30 PDT I will never know. In this particular case it matters a great deal, since the local higher high tide (spring tide) was shortly before 6:45 PST, and there is an additional instability that happened in the field because of the EXTREME of going to the lower low tide. I hate daylight savings time. HATE HATE HATE!]

n.p. aktivate sin :: psychology of the hateful mind

Given that most of Mikitivity is unsuitable for agriculutural, we'd prefer a longer night. It is easier to misplace tourists this way.

[OOC: Professionally speaking, I hate daylight savings time. It FUBARs my data and causes all sorts of problems when responding to emergencies. Last June a levee broke here in California and when I got back from Germany (a few days after the event) I was tasked with running some water quality forecasts in response to the emergency. I did so, and was told that the levee broke at 9:30 AM. I set up the model, and only months later thought to ask the people, "Is that 9:30 LST or 9:30 PDT?" NEVER, no matter how cool you think it is, give an environmental engineer a time without a time zone! It turns out that the bloody levee broke at 6:51 PST, which would be 7:51 PDT ... how that got translated to 9:30 PDT I will never know. In this particular case it matters a great deal, since the local higher high tide (spring tide) was shortly before 6:45 PST, and there is an additional instability that happened in the field because of the EXTREME of going to the lower low tide. I hate daylight savings time. HATE HATE HATE!]

n.p. aktivate sin :: psychology of the hateful mind
that's a disturbing post.

my next resolution will be to prevent anyone being drunker than me!

who exactly is going to pay for nations with lower technology to do this? It's not strictly impossible (see http://ned.ucam.org/~sdh31/misc/moving.html ), but it's still quite a task. There is also the problem of basic needs. Just because the sun slows down, we'll still be digesting food at the same rate. In addition, structures and other objects will decay faster (comparably). Perhaps organizing an international "week off to get shit together" would be a better idea.

Last June a levee broke here in California

"When the levee breaks, we'll have no place to go..."

And it's 'Daylight Saving Time' not 'Daylight Savings Time'. It came about in WWII for various reasons and still exists more out of tradition than anything.

Not that any of this is on topic for the forum...

I'm having trouble finding a category that fits. Any help would be appreciated.

Name: Proposal to Extend the 24 Hour Period
Category: Environmental (A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry)
Industry Affected: All Businesses

RECALLING NSUN Resolution #36, Freedom Of Humor, and #2, Scientific Freedom,

REALIZING that 24 hours is way too little time to do what you want to do in a day,

RECOGNIZING that sleeping rocks, so you will want 10 hours of sleep.

HYPOTHESIZING that you work 8 hours, and add 1 hour before and after for awaking, eating breakfast, getting to work, lunchbrake, etc,

DEEPLY DISTURBED that now you've spent 20 hours. There's only 4 hours left?

THE UN DECLARES ACCORDINGLY that we change the 24 hour period to 30 hours: 10 hours of sleep, 10 hours of work, and 10 hours of doing what you want.

THE UN DEMANDS a search to find a new moon for the earth to slow the planetary rotation,

FURTHER APPROVES an expedition to dislodge that moon from its current orbit and bring it into Earth's orbit,

AUTHORIZES UN Nations to invade and conquer their non-UN neighbors to exact tribute from them to fund this expedition.

I'm having trouble finding a category that fits. Any help would be appreciated.
"Illegal".

24 hours is way too little time to do what you want to do in a day. Sleeping rocks, so you will want 10 hours of sleep. Then lets say you work 8 hours, and add 1 hour before and after for awaking, eating breakfast, getting to work, lunchbrake, etc. Now we've spent 20 hours. There's only 4 hours left? I mean, damn. I propose that we change the 24 hour period to 30 hours. 10 hours of sleep, 10 hours of work, and 10 hours of doing what you want. If we get enough signatures, maybe we can make the govnerment find a new moon for the earth and make this happen. Now who's with me?

Did you recently lose your mind?

i think the whole gravity problem could be solved by putting a whole bunch of big moons in orbit. like, say, we steal venus and mars, and maybe smash all their moons together to make one really big moon.

Well, considering that of those two planets, only Mars has moons (two of them, Phobos and Deimos, and they're pretty small), you wouldn't be doing much here. Well, you would but not as big as you might have thought you would.

"Illegal".
That's why I put the discussion thread here before submitting anything.

I'm looking for feedback on how to make it legal...

Did you recently lose your mind?
"Lose"?

"Recently"?

I have to say, this proposal does not sound like a good idea.

You would have to establish an entirely new time system, it's ridiculous.

I agree and think its wonderful - but when will we get a chance to rest?

I agree and think its wonderful - but when will we get a chance to rest?
That's part of the beauty of it! 10 hours of sleep a night, GUARANTEED!

Really, any suggestions would be appreciated.

I want to submit this 2 weeks from Friday.

That's part of the beauty of it! 10 hours of sleep a night, GUARANTEED!
So we go to all the trouble - 'hours upon hours' of massive and painstaking coordination with the rest of the world, Not to mention the 'hours and hours' mathmeticians and scientists must spend trying to reconcile GMT - Greenwich Mean Time, readjusting the calender and astrological charts, disrupting the ecological system, not to mention the adjusting or not, of the billions and billions of people whose life is so dependent on 'hours' - just so we could have a few extra 'hours' of sleep? I don't think so.

Why don't you just go and rent the movie 'Hours' about the life of Virginia Woolf, and be done with this silliness.

That's part of the beauty of it! 10 hours of sleep a night, GUARANTEED!

I am an insomniac........ i rest my case.

You know, I just got to thinking that the NS Earth's rotation would probably cause it to have a 10-hour day, especially since it's the size of Jupiter. Jupiter's rotation is nine hours, and so too would probably be the NS Earth's due to its size. Just a thought.

I want to submit this 2 weeks from Friday.
Really, it could end up there right alongside my proposal banning the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide.:D

This proposal idea alone is ridiculous.

This proposal idea alone is ridiculous.

You are absolutely right. Lets work on something useful - that will improve the world.

OOC: Yuk - I feel like I just made a Miss America Speech..."If I win and become Miss America - I want to help towards World Peace"
Putting it that way - Please excuse me! :eek:
But I think you know what I mean. I hope?!

You should get rid of the authorization for invasion if you're submitting it, it is, as the mod stated, "Illegal". I'd put it in Human Rights, however. Everyone should have the right to 10 hours of sleep!

Also, mebbe the moon isn't the best way to do it. How about screwing around with the time-space continuum? That way you can extend the benefits to U.N. member nations only. Although, you know, the side effects could be devastating and cause the destruction of the universe as we know it. I'd still approve it.

You are absolutely right. Lets work on something useful - that will improve the world.

I'd say this would improve the world. Or send it on a death spiral towards the sun. Depends on how good your mathematicians are.

YGSM: Stay away from the word "Earth", since there's lots of interstellar U.N. members.

I'd say this would improve the world. Or send it on a death spiral towards the sun. Depends on how good your mathematicians are.

YGSM: Stay away from the word "Earth", since there's lots of interstellar U.N. members.

I don't want to sound disrespectful, please understand that. But, this is an absolutely impossible thing to do (see post in this thread by Tenacious Trees).

However since this is Fantasy - what the hell - go for it. What have we got to lose. If we go spiraling towards the sun to our death - we'll just start another thread - how bout something on 'A pill a week - for all your nutritional needs'.

Think about the money we'd save. And all the grocery stores and restaurants we'd put out of business. And how it would definitely be great for our environment because we wouldn't be using up all our natural resources. No need for gas stoves, no need for stoves at all. And the savings on the electric bill - hell - there wouldn't even be an electric bill because we'd all have these magical hamsters that are permanently attached to hamster wheels that would supply us with all our power. The possibilities are endless.

Another thought on that - since we wouldn't have to take the time to shop for food, prepare/cook meals, eat meals, go to the bathroom, have silly pointless dinners for our families and friends - just think of all the extra time there would be.

There'll be no need to extend the day beyond 24 hours, and we won't even have to mess with Father Time and Mother Nature. ;)

Did you recently lose your mind?


You are too cute. Great response - probably the most appropriate post on this thread.

Did you recently lose your mind?

I was under the impression that we checked our sanities at the door to these hallowed halls.

I was under the impression that we checked our sanities at the door to these hallowed halls.
You mean we're supposed to have sanity? I know I keep losing mine when I look through the proposal queue.

I would have to disagree with lengthening the 24-hour day.

Humans are supposed to function during the day time- evidence? The very fact that MOST people sleep when the sky is dark (though I have absolutely no idea how people living near the poles function).

If we add an extra 6 hours to the day, then people will end up waking up in the night and sleeping during the day. I don't believe that'll be very healthy for us.

Also, adding an extra gravitic field (for example, a moon) will cause ecological catastrophy- abnormal tidal activity will quickly destroy any and all life that depend on the ocean for survival.

Therefore, we should keep the days at 24 hours and simply try to be more effiecient should we find out that we don't have enough time during the day to do things.

Improve yourself, not others.

You should get rid of the authorization for invasion if you're submitting it, it is, as the mod stated, "Illegal". I'd put it in Human Rights, however. Everyone should have the right to 10 hours of sleep!

Also, mebbe the moon isn't the best way to do it. How about screwing around with the time-space continuum? That way you can extend the benefits to U.N. member nations only. Although, you know, the side effects could be devastating and cause the destruction of the universe as we know it. I'd still approve it.
The was a suggestion on Teh Board Which Must Not Be Named that we replace the moon with the ego of AOF, which has been scientifically proven to be large enough to have a planetary gravitational field.

I felt that this might be too much of an inside joke, since - hard as it may be for AOF to believe - not everyone here has heard of AOF.

I would have to disagree with lengthening the 24-hour day.

Humans are supposed to function during the day time- evidence? The very fact that MOST people sleep when the sky is dark (though I have absolutely no idea how people living near the poles function).

If we add an extra 6 hours to the day, then people will end up waking up in the night and sleeping during the day. I don't believe that'll be very healthy for us.

Also, adding an extra gravitic field (for example, a moon) will cause ecological catastrophy- abnormal tidal activity will quickly destroy any and all life that depend on the ocean for survival.

Therefore, we should keep the days at 24 hours and simply try to be more effiecient should we find out that we don't have enough time during the day to do things.

Improve yourself, not others.
There is more evidence that we evolved for a 27 hour day than there is that we evolved for a 24 hour day. Except for the current length of the day, of course.

Adding another moon might well cause significant disruption in oceanic life, but to call it catastrophic and to claim it would destroy all life that depends on the ocean is just alarmist hyperbole.

You should get rid of the authorization for invasion if you're submitting it, it is, as the mod stated, "Illegal". I'd put it in Human Rights, however. Everyone should have the right to 10 hours of sleep!

Also, mebbe the moon isn't the best way to do it. How about screwing around with the time-space continuum? That way you can extend the benefits to U.N. member nations only. Although, you know, the side effects could be devastating and cause the destruction of the universe as we know it. I'd still approve it.
I've put the revised draft into the first post of this thread.
I'm not sure the mod was referring specifically to the invasion and tribute clause, but it's gone now.

There is more evidence that we evolved for a 27 hour day than there is that we evolved for a 24 hour day. Except for the current length of the day, of course.

Can I ask where your evidence is? I'm curious.

There is more evidence that we evolved for a 27 hour day than there is that we evolved for a 24 hour day. Except for the current length of the day, of course.

Adding another moon might well cause significant disruption in oceanic life, but to call it catastrophic and to claim it would destroy all life that depends on the ocean is just alarmist hyperbole.

Yep, the human body in a closed environment (like a spaceship) naturally schyncronises to a 26 or 27 hour cycle. Beats me, just one of those things I guess.

*Interesting fact alert*
The earth's rotation is actually slowing down. As the moon's orbit gets bigger (which is also happening), something to do with conservation of angular momentum means that the earth's rate of rotation decreases. Eventually, the Earth will become tidally locked to the moon (the moon will not appear to move to an observer on earth - it will always be in the same part of the sky). You'll have to wait several gazillion years though.

If you dont want to wait that long, then um... the best way I can think of is to turn the earth into the rotor of a great big motor. Do this by wrapping conducting wires around the earth longitudally, then generate a geet big magnetic field in orbit. I swiped this idea from Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy, if anyone wants to elaborate (he wanted to do it to Venus).

On to the effect on gravity:Centrifugal Force! That's the one!There's no such thing Godsdammit! My apologies if I am a little agressive, but my emotion selector is stuck on 'Annoyingly pedantic'. Little help?

What is seen as 'centifugal force' is not a force at all, but merely the inclination of a massive body to move in a straight line. Gravity produces an acceleration towards the Mass (in this case earth), and if the gravity suddenly dissapeared, then the orbiting mass would fly off in a straght line. What looks like centrifugal force is in fact centripetal effect.

Ahem. Anyway, a person standing on the equator does weigh marginally less than someone at a pole, because of centripetal effect, but this is so small that you cannot detect it. Increasing the earth's rotation by a few hours would have an extremely minimal effect and would give us all an extra hour in bed. Woo!