NationStates Jolt Archive

As the current law stands, all nations within the UN are required, when a resolution is passed, to make that resolution law within their nation. However, if a nation wishes to repeal against that law, it needs two or more endorsements to repeal. I find this law unfair and shouls be scrapped allowing everyone to repeal against a decision on a resolution. The UN are promoting a campaign of "Be popular or you won't be heard", and that is bad. I propose that any nation that agrees with me formally complains to a moderator about the subject. Less popular nations have a voice too, and that voice has the right to be heard. For example, there might be an extremely large nation of two billion population, who has one endorsement, however there may be another nation of 10 million, who has three endorsements, and thus will be more powerful, this needs to stop, give bigger nations more power and smaller nation less. It equals out the system and makes it fair. We have this system with the naming of countrys, for example smaller nations have to choose their name from a drop-down menu, while larger oones can choose their pre-name and type it in. Its only fair.

by your proposition, 2.5 bilion nation that will came to news region of hundreds new nations, will become the UN delegate, since she have the most power.
you really, think this is fair more than the current system, that let them choose their leader in the UN?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and in my opnion the system ain't broke.

I think that he's only talking about the endorsement requirement to submit proposals. If that's all, I'm for this.

thank you, see, he agrees with me.

Bigger nations are just ones that started earlier.
There's not reason to give them more voice in approving proposals.

Submitting a proposal to repeal a resolution does not mean the resolution is no longer enforced in your nationstate; for that you have to get 149 delegates to support your proposal so the whole UN can vote on it, then you have to win a majority of the votes in the general vote.

The system is a little bit weird, in that it's very easy to submit a proposal, extremely difficult to get the proposal approved for a vote, and then difficult to effectively campaign for the proposal during voting. Very few proposals that make it to the official vote are controversial by that point, anyway; most pass or fail by large margins.

If there were to be any change to the current system, I would favor making it more difficult to make a proposal. Perhaps a moderator review before it's allowed to go into the proposal queue, for instance. When the queue gets up to 25 pages, it's a real hassle going through them all to see which ones merit consideration and which ones are jokes or rants.

Bigger nations are just ones that started earlier.
There's not reason to give them more voice in approving proposals.

Submitting a proposal to repeal a resolution does not mean the resolution is no longer enforced in your nationstate; for that you have to get 149 delegates to support your proposal so the whole UN can vote on it, then you have to win a majority of the votes in the general vote.

The system is a little bit weird, in that it's very easy to submit a proposal, extremely difficult to get the proposal approved for a vote, and then difficult to effectively campaign for the proposal during voting. Very few proposals that make it to the official vote are controversial by that point, anyway; most pass or fail by large margins.

If there were to be any change to the current system, I would favor making it more difficult to make a proposal. Perhaps a moderator review before it's allowed to go into the proposal queue, for instance. When the queue gets up to 25 pages, it's a real hassle going through them all to see which ones merit consideration and which ones are jokes or rants.

Simplest first solution: 2 week with 3 endorsements requisite to make proposal. If the queue is still too long, 4 endorsements.

Game Mechanics.

Illegal.

Don't waste the mods time.

First off, "Game Mechanics" issues can still be discussed. I think it rather counter productive (and rude) to immediately reply to a legitimate complaint about anything in such a dismissive tone.

While Game Mechanics issues are most certainly off limits for proposals and UN resolutions, I think it is worth explaining why the current system requires 2 endorsements for repeals.

Repeals and proposals are both considered "resolutions". Resolutions are any issue that are brought to the UN Floor for all nations to vote on. The vote of the resolutions and the text of the statements are recorded *only* if the resolution passes. (There are unofficial archives, like the United Nations Association archives (http://pweb.netcom.com/~mierzwa10k/una/) where the votes and text of failed resolutions are stored .)

If a proposed resolution requires a UN member to have at least 2 endorsements in order for that nation to submit their proposal, then it seems that a repeal (which is just a way to undo resolutions) should use the same system.

In both cases, the requirements for endorsements for submittal and even required Delegate endorsements to reach quroum are the same.

The larger issue I believe is the idea on what degree nations must comply with resolutions. There are dismissive and rude players that maintain that you (a player) can not roleplay non-compliance with resolutions, but the game moderators have in fact replied in similar debates before confirming that they will not take action against a player who's nation roleplays non-complaince (though they did point out they might tease you). :)

That said, if you don't like a resolution and are having a hard time trying to repeal it, I have two suggestions:

1) Move to a feeder region and swap endorsements. You'll find it very easy to get two endorsements in a matter of days. You can then submit your repeal. (Try any of the "Pacific" regions.)

2) Post in this and other forums (where appropriate) a simple statement from your national government how and why you won't follow the provisions of a single resolution. Be careful to not over do (over act) this non-compliance. But in doing so, you will likely gain the respect of experienced players ... and if you play your cards right, you'll probably make a name for your country and have some fun in the process.

In any event, there are IMHO a number of horribly written resolutions. In time, I think many of them will be repealed. I also think there are some well written ones that are often misunderstood.

Sometimes an objection with a resolution, might be resolved if you just telegram the resolutions author and politely ask them what their goal was with that resolution. For example, many people still to this day complain about the cost of a Tsunami Warning System and incorrectly say this will bankrupt the United Nations. If they were to first telegram Grosseschnauzer and ask him "how much will this cost", he or the other proponents of that resolution would reply with a very polite pointer to an actual cost estimate.

For most resolutions, the major issues against the resolution are in fact debated in this forum. I've archived all of the debates for the past year in the United Nations Association archives, and though it takes time and effort to read a year old thread, it is very interesting. :)

Good Luck to you!
-10kMichael