NationStates Jolt Archive

Free contraception
Human Rights/Significant
Hellan

Description: Recognise the rights to control our fertility and to engage in sexual acts as described by previous resolutions.

To support this we propose that throughout U.N. member nations condoms and the combined contraceptive pill should be freely availible, in order to -
-prevent unwanted or underage pregnancies or children whose parents cannot care for them.
-prevent the spread of sexualy transmitted diseases, particularly HIV/AIDS.

Approvals: 121 (Liberal Fascism, Gaiah, Joshisha, La Havre Du Grace, Reginaslav, Alterina, WZ Forums, Short Welsh People, Cabed Naeramarth, Laueria, WinterAlchemist, Nerobi Narabba, Ka-Tet of 19, Dust Lands, Monadnock, Female Leadership, Nan Og, Ferantia, North Monaghan, Sclafani, High Spiritus, Adomenticus, The PHRF Pacific, The Derrak Quadrant, Topple, Conservative Haters, Nick Trotter, Beeradvocatestan, Coco Mango, Velnos, Mad McGobbo, Republic of Freedonia, Clarity Of Thought, Kyndcat, Hado-Kusanagi, Americas Liberals, Danabunga, Tronta, Alomogordo, Logical-ish Vulcans, Zinful, Easson, Predatorica, Kevin Islands, Psychorats, North Atlantic Nations, Masiania, Orioni 2, Morganix, Catt-man-do, Ministria, Knuckles Promised Land, Tarphos, Harkoneia, Tiagra, Outremont, Gilbekistan, Greater Kamigawa, The Cariebbean, Bellulus, Beach Bay, Markismygod, The Fro Royal Family, North Koster, Up the Irons, Neo Esthar, Tiber City, Chief Yellowtooth, Jlegrys, Ballyvolane, Pennsylvania and Me, Mosh pit men, New Secundus, Tal Maritima, Brobynissa, Northern Caesarea, SainXor, DrexSide, Mandlandia, Dizziness, Jimbob the Jingoistic, Free Soviets, Little India, Presqu-Isle, Dragiona, Band-Geektonia, Euston, Das freie Land, Old Canaan, Nauvus, Amerieurostralia, Alesteria, Really pale red heads, Astriana, West Searle, DragonSpeartopia, Aldoar, Naval Snipers, JS Nijmegen, Blijia, The Hollow Eye, Heimlich II, Kemdoph, Gamepsilon, Kanniabuus, The Potatohead Tribe, Frickendevil, Acarob, Noobsville, Nadianara, Draeshde, Cowschickens, The Soviet Americas, Maxitron, My Disciples, CrimsonFlames, Angon, Pop N Music, The Airplanes, Dyvan, Tierra del Queso)

It expires today, but damn close! I think Hellan hit a nerve with this one.

well, it would certanly blow a hole in the repeals for the sex workers act (or whichever one covers that now). if i was a delegate, i would support this

126.
The Oppressed Peoples of Asshelmetta give their enthusiastic approval, and apologize for having missed this proposal earlier.

This delegation apologizes for not petitioning the regional delegate sooner.

i have telegramed our reginal rep. i am surprised they havent already added their approval

Perhaps in another time, this proposal will be voted on by the U.N.

We applaud your work, and hope you do not give up the cause.

i have telegramed our reginal rep. i am surprised they havent already added their approval
Give me break, you telegrammed me while I was at work.

And as to why I hadn't approved it beforehand, I didn't feel that it was worth the UN's consideration.

Give me break, you telegrammed me while I was at work.
oops, sorry boss. then again, it has been there for a few days..... and i actually thought you woulda supported it already

And as to why I hadn't approved it beforehand, I didn't feel that it was worth the UN's consideration.I must have been editing while you were typing your reply.

must have been

Contraception's always free, if you don't accept responsibility.

:confused:

Contraception's always free, if you don't accept responsibility.



I wish that made sense.

:confused:

I wish that made sense.



It does.

It does.
Explain please. I'm confused.

Ah...so the UN is going to make my nation give away contraception. What if we are wanting to encourage population growth? :(

When I first read through this, I thought it was factually incorrect, saying that the pill could protect against STD's. I missed the mention of condoms initially. It might be better to reorganize it and explain the benefits of each (shortly) instead.

UN member nations will provide condoms and contraceptive pills free of charge in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies and decrease the need for abortion. Additionally, by providing free condoms, the spread of STD's will be slowed, improving the health of citizens within UN member nations.

Or something like that. And perhaps add in a clause about how member nations cannot keep records of who all takes these free methods of contraception? Less violation of privacy and stuff - then again, that probably is the preferred method of dispensing in some nations.

Then again, since the proposing nation isn't on the boards (yet), my suggestions are relatively pointless. But still ...

Did it fail?

Contraception's always free, if you don't accept responsibility.

I may be wrong but i think this fellow is suggesting that the requirement for contraception to the individual is negated if one doesnt hang around to support the mother.

For Shame! :(

Maybe Saint Smith means conception?

Or maybe not. His comment really is difficult to understand.

Maybe Saint Smith is suggesting the old five-finger discount?

AP cannot support this. Perhaps for poverty stricken adults, but for the entire population it is a bit much.

How will the NSUN be able to provide such service? Who will provide NSUN contraceptives?

This proposal is vague and could possibly be coercive in nature. The Armed Republic of the NeoCon Hubris will not be willing to participate any legal move to directly or indirectly subsidize the promotion of contraceptives that could possibly give rise to moral and social irresponsibility.

We should not allow the NSUN to be a welfare organization for sexually irresponsible people. Government issued contraceptives should be left to indivudual nations alone.

As recently elected delegate from The Federations, I would like to point out our strong support for this proposal.

Next time you come up with such a resolution, you should TM us and our allies, Melee Island region.

AP cannot support this. Perhaps for poverty stricken adults, but for the entire population it is a bit much.

Please to explain reasoning. We disagree, but will hear your side.

Description: Recognise the rights to control our fertility and to engage in sexual acts as described by previous resolutions.

Well, first government is incapable of engaging in sexual acts. Persons involved in government, however, are, which leads to the use of our fertility in the resolution. Such a term invokes individual rights. It is an individual right to engage in sexual acts that a government must recognize, not provide for. Furthermore, an individual or individuals can engage in sexual acts and control their fertility without any government subsidy.

However, recognizing that there are classes of citizens that are not fully informed on the subject or financially capable of taking the necessary precautions, we have government programs to help.

To support this we propose that throughout U.N. member nations condoms and the combined contraceptive pill should be freely availible, in order to -
-prevent unwanted or underage pregnancies or children whose parents cannot care for them.
-prevent the spread of sexualy transmitted diseases, particularly HIV/AIDS.

Using averages, as the fertile and sexually active people of AP differ as do the products: Let us say the Contraceptive Pill and a weeks worth of condoms are at equal cost, approximately six crags (dollars) for a weeks supply.

According to our fertile and sexually active Big Brother census AP has 1.675 Billion People good to go. Multiply that by 6 (the cost of a weeks supply) and 52 (weeks in an AP year), guess what you get: 5.226x10^11 Crags being spent per year on condoms and birth control. (522 billion)

Our money would be better spent on research into a cure for AIDs, DLE battlecraft, and programs for areas where AIDs and underage pregnancy is a problem and financial need exists.

Has Hellan responded to anyone's TG's?
I want to see this resubmitted.


hey, why am I still me? I'm sure last time I logged in it was as YGSM.

I think you can post to the forums as anybody you'd like.

But it still shows me as an existing user.

otoh, I can't access nationstates anymore. please tell me it's down, and i haven't been banned for life or something.

It's been down for about four hours. As far as I know, even if Krioval-the-nation ceased to exist, Krioval-the-forum-user could continue. I could be wrong though.

Yep. The NS server is down. Thats been happening a lot recently. Although isnt it funny how we get concerned that we have been deleted by the NS mods when we cant get on. The human condition.

Yep. The NS server is down. Thats been happening a lot recently.
Wasn't me man.

Promise.

right,

i haevnt been on for a while, sorry.

im putting the proposal back up.

please support it and get as much support as you can for it.

Hellan

Wasn't me man.

Promise.
I bet it was a commie conspiracy.

I bet it was a commie conspiracy.

Nah. They're busy with other things.

Ah...so the UN is going to make my nation give away contraception. What if we are wanting to encourage population growth? :(

Encouraging or discouraging, in either case, this proposal needs to really address what this may do to government's ability to control population growth. As it stands this proposal is overlooking too many complex issues (i.e. it is too short), and the Confederated City States of Mikitivity would likely vote against this resolution.

[OOC: Sorry I've been away, but I'll probably be only lurking for the next three months.]

right,

i haevnt been on for a while, sorry.

im putting the proposal back up.

please support it and get as much support as you can for it.

Hellan
Rah! Rah!

That's about all the support I can give it today.
If certain covert ops in my region are successful tonight, I should be able to approve it tomorrow.

I'll go have a look around for it, and stick my approval on to it, as well. Good luck! :)

Hellan, I'm afraid you're going to have to telegram the delegates who approved it the first go-around.

the covert ops were successful; i've approved your proposal

Oh. This proposal didn't expire; it was deleted.


Vague. If you mean "free" as in "free speech", then this is "Human Rights" and should be worded to indicate that contraception is legal in all UN member nations. If you mean "free" as in "free beer", then this is "Social Justice" because the UN member nations are going to be footing the bill for this.

We can see the point - revise and resubmit.