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Proposal for Clean Air

A declaration, in which
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN affirm the right for every person to breathe clean air,
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN understand that automakers here in this world are entitled to make money,
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN know that automobiles emit hundreds of thousand of grams per kilometre of carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, and other byproducts of internal combustion in automobile engines each day
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN realize that our world is in danger due to the emissions of the said byproducts to destroy the environments of our world
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN understand that automobiles are a primary means of transport for most people
WHEREAS we know that petrol, as a fossil fuel, will soon be in low supply
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN know that currently there is a lack of regulation regarding automobile emissions and virtually no oversight for any said regulation whatsoever,
We, the people of the Republic of Blanchettia, a soverign nation in the region of the East Pacific and a member of the said NSUN, do hereby declare a proposal
Backed by the citizens, Parliament, and President of the Republic of Blanchettia
And by the major and minor automakers of the Republic of Blanchettia
To create among members of the NSUN a common standard for regulating automobile emissions beginning in the 2006 model year
In addition to oversight to make sure that the said standard is enforced by means of a Committee on Automobiles and Enviromental Protection
And will take effect when it is passed by the NSUN.
Signed, the President of the Republic of Blanchettia and the Blanchettian Ambassador to the NSUN

While the Confederacy of the Moravian Counties agrees with the fact that every nation has the right to breathe clean air, it must disagree with your resolution solely due to the fact that our nation is the largest automobile proucer in our region. This would prove devastating to our economy, and thousands of people would lose their jobs.

We sincerely apologize to the delegation of Blanchettia, but we must express our status against this proposal, and encourage others to consider their economy while reading this.

Edwin Chadwick, Chancellor of The Confederacy of The Moravian Counties

While the government of Engineering Chaos repects the good intentions of this proposal it is the goverments opinion that this has sod all to do with the UN.
Secondly In addition to oversight to make sure that the said standard is enforced by means of a Committee on Automobiles and Enviromental Protection you can pay for that because I won't! It gives no indication of who is controling this Committee, who will be on it or how they will be selected.
The resolutiond does not give what this standard is since we need to agree on the standard we will have to vote on it, which means another resolution. why not set up a topic to discuss this and then submit your idea.

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This is not a critisism of the proposal writer, but is the use of the word "whereas" approperate in this case? I've looked up several definitions and despite that fact that they seem to imply that this use is ok; I get a feeling of not quite rightness about it.

Moravian Counties: It doesn't necessarily matter if your country is the largest automobile producer or not: we have about 7-8 major automakers and we have 'B4' (almost like a combination of RL CARB ULEV-II and Euro step IV regulations) emissions regulations in place, yet whilst the automakers are forced to comply here (which doesn not affect their sales figures), in other countries where a lack of regulation is evident, it would cause a lot of problems trying to institute regulation. Since a lot of automakers are global, we need global automobile emissions regulations.

Engineering chaos: I use 'whereas' a lot because I'm trying to follow the format that the RL City Council in my area of the RL United States utilises for their ordinances, which uses 'whereas' a lot.

BTW: Don't be confused about the usage of British spellings by an American - when I am IC I use British spellings, when I'm OOC I use American spellings. Sorry if it causes any confusion. Yes I am from the US, but since I'm most likely going to Canada for university I have to get used to using British spellings.

WHEREAS we know that petrol, as a fossil fuel, will soon be in low supply
Some of the nations here are large, spacefaring empires who would say that they have access to plenty of petrol and would be happy to sell you some. Also it might be construed as a RL reference as there is no evidence that petrol is in short supply in the NS world. Otherwise, it seems to be a well written proposal.

How's the following?


Proposal for Clean Air

A declaration, in which
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN affirm the right for every person to breathe clean air,
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN understand that automakers here in this world are entitled to make money,
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN know that automobiles emit hundreds of thousand of grams per kilometre of carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide, and other byproducts of internal combustion in automobile engines each day
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN realize that our world is in danger due to the emissions of the said byproducts to destroy the environments of our world
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN understand that automobiles are a primary means of transport for most people
WHEREAS we know that petrol, as a fossil fuel, will soon be in low supply
WHEREAS the members of the NSUN know that currently there is a lack of regulation regarding automobile emissions and virtually no oversight for any said regulation whatsoever,
We, the people of the Republic of Blanchettia, a soverign nation in the region of the East Pacific and a member of the said NSUN, do hereby declare a proposal
Backed by the citizens, Parliament, and President of the Republic of Blanchettia
And by the major and minor automakers of the Republic of Blanchettia
To create among members of the NSUN a common standard for regulating automobile emissions beginning in the 2006 model year
In addition to oversight to make sure that the said standard is enforced by means of a Committee on Automobiles and Enviromental Protection
And will take effect when it is passed by the NSUN.
Signed, the President of the Republic of Blanchettia and the Blanchettian Ambassador to the NSUN

If you want cleaner air, ban farting.

If you want cleaner air, ban farting.

Wouldn't that violate the freedom of humour resolution?

Wouldn't that violate the freedom of humour resolution?

No. Such a proposal would be quite humorous. :p

Is the proposal not just a bit of a copy of the Kyoto agreement?

Understood, Kyoto was to do with global warming, but what it was asking for, a reduction in car exhaust fumes, is what this resolution is asking for, too.

Moravian Counties: It doesn't necessarily matter if your country is the largest automobile producer or not: we have about 7-8 major automakers and we have 'B4' (almost like a combination of RL CARB ULEV-II and Euro step IV regulations) emissions regulations in place, yet whilst the automakers are forced to comply here (which doesn not affect their sales figures), in other countries where a lack of regulation is evident, it would cause a lot of problems trying to institute regulation. Since a lot of automakers are global, we need global automobile emissions regulations.

Engineering chaos: I use 'whereas' a lot because I'm trying to follow the format that the RL City Council in my area of the RL United States utilises for their ordinances, which uses 'whereas' a lot.

BTW: Don't be confused about the usage of British spellings by an American - when I am IC I use British spellings, when I'm OOC I use American spellings. Sorry if it causes any confusion. Yes I am from the US, but since I'm most likely going to Canada for university I have to get used to using British spellings.

This delegation is well aware that this resolution will not affect sales, but it will affect the expenses of an automobile company. And this delegation realizes that it is not the only automobile maker, but it is our largest industry, and supplies most of our jobs. If this resolution got passed, our companies would be FORCED to follow it (which violates the principle of nonintervention anyway) and would have to spend extreme amounts of money; this will cause job cuts. Job cuts make people unhappy. Unhappy people will revolt for more jobs. The Confederacy is unstable enough as it is, what with 17 rulers.

Please think about other nation's economies first.

Edwin Chadwick, Chancellor, The Confederacy of the Moravian Counties.

There is quite a lot of legislation already in place to try and reduce air pollution in various ways. Have a look at the list of passed resolutions: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357572

Moravian Counties: Here is an example of what I mean what I say- when the B1 regulations were passed in the late 1960s, many automakers (more notoriously our main automaker, Yleis Motor Company, who brought up the same exact reasons you brought up) complained that it would hurt their business. I don't know about your motor industry (maybe show some pics of some of the vehicles you produce), but back then the automakers were funded via state subsidies (they don't now), so when the complaining disturbed Parliament, the Prime Minister threatened to withdraw state subsidies, forcing them to comply. And it worked. The automakers complied, and now people refer to Blanchettian cars as the 'cleanest cars on the planet'. So there I have to disagree with you.

Regarding some comments regarding similarities to Kyoto: :cool: lol lol lol That is interesting!

To Myopia: Although there may be air-polluting legislation on the books already, this one is different because it's a common automobile emissions standard we're creating.

The delegation will reluctantly accept your fine agrument and move its stance on this proposal to a neutral one.

OOC: nice....

this is a very interesting proposal, but we will remain neutral at this point in time based on two points:

WHEREAS we know that petrol, as a fossil fuel, will soon be in low supply
as stated before, this is a RL reference. there is no signs pointing to the fact that petrolium is in short supply in the NS world, and also, being based on a RL statistic, i might be right in assuming that it is borderline illegal. might have to run that one past the mods.

To create among members of the NSUN a common standard for regulating automobile emissions beginning in the 2006 model year
okay, i was unaware that there was a 'time' in existance in NS. and if so, like the real world, it isnt exctly uniform either, if it did exist. also, a RL reference, so you might have to run it past the mods too.

We're to take these decisions out of the hands of politicians and entrust them to faceless bureaucrats because...?

I am disinclined to support this resolution without guidelines as to the standards that will be implemented, the pollution reduction targets, and the projected costs of the new regulation.

We have already been forced to allocate a small portion of our science budget to research towards the production of hydrogen vehicles.

I would also like to see an analysis of how uniform standards could be applied to vehicles operating in vastly different conditions - Vastiva's antarctic icecaps and our own tropical shores, for instance.

We're to take these decisions out of the hands of politicians and entrust them to faceless bureaucrats because...?

I am disinclined to support this resolution without guidelines as to the standards that will be implemented, the pollution reduction targets, and the projected costs of the new regulation.

We have already been forced to allocate a small portion of our science budget to research towards the production of hydrogen vehicles.

I would also like to see an analysis of how uniform standards could be applied to vehicles operating in vastly different conditions - Vastiva's antarctic icecaps and our own tropical shores, for instance.
i am inclined to agree here. there are too many variables for this to be affective

Wouldn't that violate the freedom of humour resolution?
No, but banning whoopee cushions would. :D

I would like to point out that a car in its lifetime will never produce as much pollution as was produced during the manifacturing process.

To Myopia: Although there may be air-polluting legislation on the books already, this one is different because it's a common automobile emissions standard we're creating.

Given that pre-existing legislation has us developing hydrogen-fuelled cars, I'm not sure that yours is the best way to go.