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I just submitted this proposal on the removal of landmines and it is now on the last page of the List of Proposals. If you like it please go and approve it now! Thank you. List any comments, arguments, suggestions, etc. here. For reference here is the proposal:

Removing Landmines
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.

Category: Global Disarmament Strength: Strong Proposed by: Kosco

Description:

Reaffirming implementation of Resolution #40 “Banning the use of Landmines” and hereby upholding that resolution.

Deeply disturbed by those landmines already in the ground before implementation of Resolution #40 or those implemented before nations join the United Nations.

Horrified by how citizens of those nations where landmines are present who are innocent and do not directly relate to the war for which these landmines were implemented are killed, rendered disabled, and generally degraded as a citizen of that nation by these landmines.

Whereas these innocent citizens have no knowledge of where the minefields are and therefore are further killed and injured by these landmines.

Disturbed by how nearby plants and animals are killed and harmed by landmines. Noting how this disrupts the ecosystems and enviroments and how these ecosystems and enviroments cross borders and affect multiple nations.

Noting that land is taken up by landmines and thus is not suitable for occupation by citizens of those nations. This leads to other lands being sought out for use. Those lands may include those of other nations (possibly causing war and disputes between those nations), less suitable lands, and/or lands already heavily populated by citizens of that nation.

Believing that these landmines should be extracted under peacetime between nations for all these reasons the Nation of Kosco calls for the creation of the Landmine Removal and Education Organization or the L.R.E.O. to oversee the following articles:

1. A non-profit organization shall be established by the L.R.E.O. to provide all funds for the L.R.E.O.’s purposes. Funds for the organization would come from the donations of citizens of the United Nations.
2. All nations within the United Nations shall be obligated to share their technologies with other nations associated with the removal of landmines.
3. All nations within the United Nations shall be encouraged to supply volunteers who specialize in removing landmines. Those specialists would implement the technologies in Article 1 to remove landmines within any nation requiring removal during peacetime.
4. An education progam shall be established to educate the peoples of all nations within the United Nations about the affects of landmines and the location of minefields.
5. Those nations within the United Nations that have deployed landmines will be obligated to provide any records on where those landmines were deployed if those nations are in a state of peace.
6. Every nation that enters the United Nations after passage of this resolution shall be inspected for landmines within their nation during peactime.

The L.R.E.O shall be centralized within the United Nations headquarters.

Leaders of the L.R.E.O. shall be those top 12 landmine extraction specialists (as deemed by the United Nations according to the merits of education, experience, and endorsement by other specialists).

New leaders shall be appointed every 4 years by the current leaders of the L.R.E.O..

Those leaders shall implement and oversee all the activities of the L.R.E.O..

Please pass this resolution knowing that we can effectively reach those goals sought out by Resolution #40 and truly make the world completely landmine free.

Removing Landmines
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.

Category: Global Disarmament Strength: Strong Proposed by: Kosco
Boilerplate. But, I think that since all it does is further res. 40, it should be strength: mild or, at the extreme end, significant.

Description:

Reaffirming implementation of Resolution #40 “Banning the use of Landmines” and hereby upholding that resolution.

Deeply disturbed by those landmines already in the ground before implementation of Resolution #40 or those implemented before nations join the United Nations.
Nicely put.

Horrified by how citizens of those nations where landmines are present who are innocent and do not directly relate to the war for which these landmines were implemented are killed, rendered disabled, and generally degraded as a citizen of that nation by these landmines.
How are they being degraded as a citizen? Take that tiny piece out.

Whereas these innocent citizens have no knowledge of where the minefields are and therefore are further killed and injured by these landmines.

Disturbed by how nearby plants and animals are killed and harmed by landmines. Noting how this disrupts the ecosystems and enviroments and how these ecosystems and enviroments cross borders and affect multiple nations.
Uh... it would require an entire minefield exploding to disrupt an ecosystem. The mines just being there doesn't do anything unless they're made of lead. Other than that, good.

Noting that land is taken up by landmines and thus is not suitable for occupation by citizens of those nations. This leads to other lands being sought out for use. Those lands may include those of other nations (possibly causing war and disputes between those nations), less suitable lands, and/or lands already heavily populated by citizens of that nation.

Believing that these landmines should be extracted under peacetime between nations for all these reasons the Nation of Kosco calls for the creation of the Landmine Removal and Education Organization or the L.R.E.O. to oversee the following articles:
OK, grammar time: you want to put a period and another space between "nations" and "for". Also, capitalize the "F" of "for" and put "or the L.R.E.O." in commas (,or the L.R.E.O.,). Good overall, though.

1. A non-profit organization shall be established by the L.R.E.O. to provide all funds for the L.R.E.O.’s purposes. Funds for the organization would come from the donations of citizens of the United Nations.
Make the L.R.E.O. a NFP organization, IMO.

2. All nations within the United Nations shall be obligated to share their technologies with other nations associated with the removal of landmines.

Good.

3. All nations within the United Nations shall be encouraged to supply volunteers who specialize in removing landmines. Those specialists would implement the technologies in Article 1 to remove landmines within any nation requiring removal during peacetime.
Goodgoodgoodgoodgood.

4. An education progam shall be established to educate the peoples of all nations within the United Nations about the affects of landmines and the location of minefields.
EXCELLENT.

5. Those nations within the United Nations that have deployed landmines will be obligated to provide any records on where those landmines were deployed if those nations are in a state of peace.
Change "any records" to "all records they have" so that you don't accidentally make some literally-thinking bureaucrat try to get other nations' records, and I guarantee that there are some out there.

6. Every nation that enters the United Nations after passage of this resolution shall be inspected for landmines within their nation during peactime.

The L.R.E.O shall be centralized within the United Nations headquarters.

Leaders of the L.R.E.O. shall be those top 12 landmine extraction specialists (as deemed by the United Nations according to the merits of education, experience, and endorsement by other specialists).
Good.

New leaders shall be appointed every 4 years by the current leaders of the L.R.E.O..
NO. not by the old leaders, but by a non-partisan comittee.

Those leaders shall implement and oversee all the activities of the L.R.E.O..

Please pass this resolution knowing that we can effectively reach those goals sought out by Resolution #40 and truly make the world completely landmine free.
Uh-Huh. it's an ok finisher, but you need some oomph, imo.

Good resolution, just gramatically incorrect in one spot and slightly oligarchical in another.

My nation isn't going to tell anyone where my ... er ... our nation's landmines are. The locations are secret for a reason. If anyone steps on them it just proves to me how well they are hidden, and in such cases I award the appropriate military personnel for their good work in the field.

My nation isn't going to tell anyone where my ... er ... our nation's landmines are. The locations are secret for a reason. If anyone steps on them it just proves to me how well they are hidden, and in such cases I award the appropriate military personnel for their good work in the field.
in other words, you dont know where they are.
*does background check*
hmmm, thought it was a bit sus.... are you in the process of application for the UN? if not, you wont have to worry about this resolution being passed. on the other hand, if you are, you will no longer be able to use landmines on admission

in other words, you dont know where they are.
*does background check*
hmmm, thought it was a bit sus.... are you in the process of application for the UN? if not, you wont have to worry about this resolution being passed. on the other hand, if you are, you will no longer be able to use landmines on admission

Yeah, I ve applied for UN status. I figure that I can intoduce a few resolutions that will bring this bleeding-heart run world back to reality.

Yeah, I ve applied for UN status. I figure that I can intoduce a few resolutions that will bring this bleeding-heart run world back to reality.
well, before you do, you need 2 endorsements, and then i would suggest you:
a) read through all the passed resolutions so u dont submit something that is already there, and
b) read the rules on making proposals
and even then, there is no garentee that it will get the approvals to go to vote

well, before you do, you need 2 endorsements, and then i would suggest you:
a) read through all the passed resolutions so u dont submit something that is already there, and
b) read the rules on making proposals
and even then, there is no garentee that it will get the approvals to go to vote

Well, obviously!

I assume this still only applies to AP mines and not to AT mines?

Mind you, I don't use alot of AP mines, but I do deploy them in both peace and wartime, in war to fortify defensive positions and in peace around high security goverment sites.
Peace time mined zones are clearly indicated by signs, boarderd off by fences and patrolled regulary.

Whatever the UN says, some mines are just too valuable to be removed, but never, ever will I sanction the deployment of mines in or near a civilian settlement or other known route of passage.

This delegation expresses their support of this proposal. We have many landmines left from the 7 Civil Wars in the last 30 Years. :)

Mind you, I don't use alot of AP mines, but I do deploy them in both peace and wartime, in war to fortify defensive positions and in peace around high security goverment sites.
Not if you're a UN member you don't.

Actualy I do, just a matter of what UN inspectors find and label a mine and what not. Effective use of two dozen claymores and voila; a minefield.

Boilerplate. But, I think that since all it does is further res. 40, it should be strength: mild or, at the extreme end, significant.


Ah yes, but it is a rather large movement if you consider how many landmines many countries have. Besides I already submitted the proposal.

How are they being degraded as a citizen? Take that tiny piece out.

Well, sometimes people lose limbs and then can't do effective work and are looked down upon by other citizens... your right I'll remove that if this proposal fails this time round...

Uh... it would require an entire minefield exploding to disrupt an ecosystem. The mines just being there doesn't do anything unless they're made of lead. Other than that, good.

True, but this helps with "that countries problem" type of arguments. Also in some cases it wouldn't require the whole minefield.

OK, grammar time: you want to put a period and another space between "nations" and "for". Also, capitalize the "F" of "for" and put "or the L.R.E.O." in commas (,or the L.R.E.O.,). Good overall, though.

Ah, yes silly me, have never really liked grammar... or english for that matter.


Make the L.R.E.O. a NFP organization, IMO.

NFP? (Sorry not really familar with these type of terms pretty new to Nationstates...)


Good. Goodgoodgoodgoodgood. EXCELLENT.

Thank you very much.


Change "any records" to "all records they have" so that you don't accidentally make some literally-thinking bureaucrat try to get other nations' records, and I guarantee that there are some out there.

True true. Will be changed.


NO. not by the old leaders, but by a non-partisan comittee.

Oh yeah, will be changed also (on second time round if it doesn't make it of course).


Uh-Huh. it's an ok finisher, but you need some oomph, imo.

What would you suggest? Thanks much for the help and comments! Keep them coming everyone!

My nation isn't going to tell anyone where my ... er ... our nation's landmines are. The locations are secret for a reason. If anyone steps on them it just proves to me how well they are hidden, and in such cases I award the appropriate military personnel for their good work in the field.

What of peacetimes where the mines are no longer needed and are killing your civilians and destroying your enviroment? Besides no more landmine use for you once you join the U.N., so why not get rid of those pesky ones that are laying around serving you no purpose? You award you military personal for killing your own civilians, animals, and plants?! :eek:

OOC: Besides its been proven that landmines don't effectively halt a military operation by an opposing nation. Many high military officials in our world today have stated they are not effective and are merely "scare tactics" or "slow down advancing enemies".

I assume this still only applies to AP mines and not to AT mines?

Mind you, I don't use alot of AP mines, but I do deploy them in both peace and wartime, in war to fortify defensive positions and in peace around high security goverment sites.
Peace time mined zones are clearly indicated by signs, boarderd off by fences and patrolled regulary.

Whatever the UN says, some mines are just too valuable to be removed, but never, ever will I sanction the deployment of mines in or near a civilian settlement or other known route of passage.

What is the use of landmines for securing governmental site if the person who wants to infiltrate the site knows where the mines are because their marked? Wouldn't a government site (in most cases) be near a civilian settlement? This proposal would only be implemented in peace time so those landmines you used to fortify defensive positions wouldn't be needed.

This is great if you have a great military deterrent and no enemies. But the UN should never outlaw a relatively cheap way to possibly deter attack. Land Mines are one of the few weapons that everyone can use to defend their borders. This is a terrible proposal.

Is the delegate from Bema aware of the amount of innocent deaths every year due to landmines? This delegation is speculating, but at the amount of war in this age compared to the amount of landmine deaths, the mines are killing more people in peacetime than in war.

those arguing against it should look through the resolution list
The deployment of landmines has been banned for ALL UN nations
this is an effort to clean up those already deployed. if you want to use landmines, i suggest you resign/withdraw your application. if you want to remain in the UN, i suggest you go to the resolution page and have a long, careful read

Ok, NFP organization means Not-For-Profit organization, and it's an OLD RL acronym.

What I mean by making the LREO a NFP Org. is to give it the responsibility of raising its own money and not having to rely on some other UN org.

As for the clincher, I don't have any suggestions at this time. Sorry :(

those arguing against it should look through the resolution list
The deployment of landmines has been banned for ALL UN nations
this is an effort to clean up those already deployed. if you want to use landmines, i suggest you resign/withdraw your application. if you want to remain in the UN, i suggest you go to the resolution page and have a long, careful read

In light of this specific fact, the delegation of the Moravian Counties wholeheartedly agrees with this resolution, and would petition the regional delegate to endorse it.

Is the delegate from Bema aware of the amount of innocent deaths every year due to landmines? This delegation is speculating, but at the amount of war in this age compared to the amount of landmine deaths, the mines are killing more people in peacetime than in war.

I'm not sure. All should take note of this when deciding whether to uphold this resolution or not! Thank you for pointing this out!

those arguing against it should look through the resolution list. The deployment of landmines has been banned for ALL UN nations
this is an effort to clean up those already deployed. if you want to use landmines, i suggest you resign/withdraw your application. if you want to remain in the UN, i suggest you go to the resolution page and have a long, careful read

This is quite true, landmines are already banned! Thank you for pointing this out.

Ok, NFP organization means Not-For-Profit organization, and it's an OLD RL acronym.

What I mean by making the LREO a NFP Org. is to give it the responsibility of raising its own money and not having to rely on some other UN org.

As for the clincher, I don't have any suggestions at this time. Sorry

Ah, I figured that was what you were referring too. I already stated it was a non-profit organization to be established by the L.R.E.O.. I'll try to think up a better clincher, again thanks a lot for your suggestions!

those arguing against it should look through the resolution list
The deployment of landmines has been banned for ALL UN nations
this is an effort to clean up those already deployed. if you want to use landmines, i suggest you resign/withdraw your application. if you want to remain in the UN, i suggest you go to the resolution page and have a long, careful read
My understanding is that resolution says my nation can't deploy them while I'm a member of NSUN. The mines we laid along our border with the treacherous AOF before we became members are perfectly legal, right?

And if we need to lay more, we can temporarily resign from NSUN?

No, I'm afraid this resolution might partially close one loophole through which we defend ourselves. We'd have to periodically resign to restock the minefields we'd slowly be clearing while we were members. That seems like a great deal of wasted effort.

The Oppressed Peoples of Asshelmetta cannot support it, unless a showing can be made that we can use this resolution to have other countries subsidize the periodic upgrade of our minefields.

My understanding is that resolution says my nation can't deploy them while I'm a member of NSUN. The mines we laid along our border with the treacherous AOF before we became members are perfectly legal, right?

And if we need to lay more, we can temporarily resign from NSUN?

No, I'm afraid this resolution might partially close one loophole through which we defend ourselves. We'd have to periodically resign to restock the minefields we'd slowly be clearing while we were members. That seems like a great deal of wasted effort.

The Oppressed Peoples of Asshelmetta cannot support it, unless a showing can be made that we can use this resolution to have other countries subsidize the periodic upgrade of our minefields.
resigning from the UN to restock minefields then rejoining kinda makes it not worth being a part of the UN. so why even bother?

What of peacetimes where the mines are no longer needed and are killing your civilians and destroying your enviroment? Besides no more landmine use for you once you join the U.N., so why not get rid of those pesky ones that are laying around serving you no purpose? You award you military personal for killing your own civilians, animals, and plants?! :eek:

OOC: Besides its been proven that landmines don't effectively halt a military operation by an opposing nation. Many high military officials in our world today have stated they are not effective and are merely "scare tactics" or "slow down advancing enemies".

You can head the lead landmine disarmament party if you like, I don't know where they are.

A slow and scared army is good enough reason to keep them. The manufacture of landmines keeps the economy strong.

What is the use of landmines for securing governmental site if the person who wants to infiltrate the site knows where the mines are because their marked? Wouldn't a government site (in most cases) be near a civilian settlement? This proposal would only be implemented in peace time so those landmines you used to fortify defensive positions wouldn't be needed.

Its a scare tactic, knowing that if you want to get into the compound you have the cross a 50m field filled with claymores(note the underbrush where their hidden in) And trust me it works, so go buzz off with your resiging from the UN, I got a loophole and I'm using it.

resigning from the UN to restock minefields then rejoining kinda makes it not worth being a part of the UN. so why even bother?
you only say that because you haven't met the AOF.

You can head the lead landmine disarmament party if you like, I don't know where they are.

A slow and scared army is good enough reason to keep them. The manufacture of landmines keeps the economy strong.

You can't have landmines in the first place if your in the U.N.. The use of slowing and scaring armies isn't useful in peacetime. How can no one in your nation know where they are if you had to deploy them in the first place? Can't manufacture landmines if your in the U.N. like I said before.

You can't have landmines in the first place if your in the U.N.. The use of slowing and scaring armies isn't useful in peacetime. How can no one in your nation know where they are if you had to deploy them in the first place? Can't manufacture landmines if your in the U.N. like I said before.
That last isn't true at all. You can manufacture them, you just can't deploy them.
There's no law against selling the ones you make to non-UN nationstates.

And as several people said above, it's perfectly legal to have landmines while you're in the UN, they just have to have been deployed before you joined.