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Here is a rough draft proposal for the removal of landmines. Any comments suggestions, mispellings, arguments, etc. are welcomed. Thank you for your consideration, suggestions, etc. of this proposal. Without further ado the proposal:

Removing Landmines
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.

Category: Global Disarmament Strength: Strong Proposed by: Kosco

Description:

Reaffirming implementation of Resolution #40 “Banning the use of Landmines” and hereby upholding that resolution.

Deeply disturbed by those landmines already in the ground before implementation of Resolution #40 or those implemented before nations join the United Nations.

Horrified by how citizens of those nations where landmines are present who are innocent and do not directly relate to the war for which these landmines were implemented are killed, rendered disabled, and generally degraded as a citizen of that nation by these landmines.

Whereas these innocent citizens have no knowledge of where the minefields are and therefore are further killed and injured by these landmines.

Disturbed by how nearby plants and animals are killed and harmed by landmines. Noting how this disrupts the ecosystems and enviroments and how these ecosystems and enviroments cross borders and affect multiple nations.

Noting that land is taken up by landmines and thus is not suitable for occupation by citizens of those nations. This leads to other lands being sought out for use. Those lands may include those of other nations (possibly causing war and disputes between those nations), less suitable lands, and/or lands already heavily populated by citizens of that nation.

Believing that these landmines should be extracted under peacetime between nations for all these reasons the Nation of Kosco calls for the creation of the Landmine Removal and Education Organization or the L.R.E.O. to oversee the following articles:

1. A non-profit organization shall be established by the L.R.E.O. to provide all funds for the L.R.E.O.’s purposes. Funds for the organization would come from the donations of citizens of the United Nations.
2. All nations within the United Nations shall be obligated to share their technologies with other nations associated with the removal of landmines.
3. All nations within the United Nations shall be encouraged to supply volunteers who specialize in removing landmines. Those specialists would implement the technologies in Article 1 to remove landmines within any nation requiring removal during peacetime.
4. An education progam shall be established to educate the peoples of all nations within the United Nations about the affects of landmines and the location of minefields.
5. Those nations within the United Nations that have deployed landmines will be obligated to provide any records on where those landmines were deployed during peactime.
6. Every nation that enters the United Nations after passage of this resolution shall be inspected for landmines within their nation during peactime.

The L.R.E.O shall be centralized within the United Nations headquarters.

Leaders of the L.R.E.O. shall be those top 12 landmine extraction specialists (as deemed by the United Nations according to the merits of education, experience, and endorsement by other specialists).

New leaders shall be appointed every 4 years by the current leaders of the L.R.E.O..

Those leaders shall implement and oversee all the activities of the L.R.E.O..

Please pass this resolution knowing that we can effectively reach those goals sought out by Resolution #40 and truly make the world completely landmine free.

resolution #40 already prevents the use of landmines. it should be the responsablity of those nations that previously implimented landmines before joining the UN to bear the cost of their removal, not countries that condemmed them from the onset.

We have never had the need for them.

resolution #40 already prevents the use of landmines. it should be the responsablity of those nations that previously implimented landmines before joining the UN to bear the cost of their removal, not countries that condemmed them from the onset.

There are countries that have been in the United Nations before implementation of Resolution #40 that created landmines and then after the ban they just weren't allowed to create anymore landmines. Also landmines affect every nation because they affect the enviroment and animals. Because they affect the animals in ecosystems that cross borders they affect not only the country with the landmines but neighboring ones as well. Therefore we should implement this resolution. Also in cases where the mines take up a large amount of land area and therefore because of lack of lands for its peoples the people of that government call for extension of its borders. In this case it also affects multiply nations and could then become a war. Finally the burden of cost for removal is little because they come from non-profit organizations. Therefore I call for passage of this Resolution.

We have never had the need for them.

If you're referring to the landmines this is not true for all Nations within the United Nations. I believe many Nations used Landmines before the implentation of Resolution #40. The need for them was because of the wars. Now we face this threat of the Landmines still in the ground that affect all Nations. Thats why we need to pass this resolution.

I ment we never needed use for them ( wink) I havent had started to remove them they are on the beaches for testing.

I ment we never needed use for them ( wink) I havent had started to remove them they are on the beaches for testing.

Ah. lol. We would be glad to remove them through the implentation of this Resolution. :D

Well we let the bad monkeys run on them.

our argument is that who is going to bear the costs. you have stated that this is a 'not-for-profit' organisation, but where is the money going to come from? we are a peaceful nation, who believes that war should be used only as a last solution and in very extreme cases, and we are not about to give up money to de-landmine another nation. it should be upon them to clean up the landmines. while we would support it if it was based upon volentary donations from citizens, peaceful governments should not have to bear the costs of the logistics of this situation.

First off - I agree that because of the previously passed resolution, this proposal is (more or less) pointless. Yes, like you said, some nations may still have some landmines to worry about clearing out, but I don't think that it's worth passing a whole new resolution for.

Also - something I've noticed between all your tentative proposals is the running theme/idea that all UN member nations have only human citizens. That's hardly true, and it's something you may want to take into account when drafting proposals.

not suitable for human occupation - but does that make it suitable for gnome occupation?

our argument is that who is going to bear the costs. you have stated that this is a 'not-for-profit' organisation, but where is the money going to come from? we are a peaceful nation, who believes that war should be used only as a last solution and in very extreme cases, and we are not about to give up money to de-landmine another nation. it should be upon them to clean up the landmines. while we would support it if it was based upon volentary donations from citizens, peaceful governments should not have to bear the costs of the logistics of this situation.

It would come from voluntary donations from citizens then.

First off - I agree that because of the previously passed resolution, this proposal is (more or less) pointless. Yes, like you said, some nations may still have some landmines to worry about clearing out, but I don't think that it's worth passing a whole new resolution for.

Also - something I've noticed between all your tentative proposals is the running theme/idea that all UN member nations have only human citizens. That's hardly true, and it's something you may want to take into account when drafting proposals.

not suitable for human occupation - but does that make it suitable for gnome occupation?

I believe it is worth passing considering all the reasons I stated within the proposal. Citizens of those nations be they gnomes, humans, or any other organism (Sorry I didn't recognize that nations had other citizens rather than humans. Please forgive me.) are killed or seriously injured because of landmines (Many because they don't even though there are Landmines in that area). Animals are killed by Landmines, effectively disrupting ecosystems across borders. Destroying vegation and other enviromental factors that affect multiply nations. That land taken up by Landmines may be needed for occupation by citizens of that nation. So then that nation must look for other land, citizens must live in terrotories already heavily occupied with other citizens. Or forbid it to be that their nation must push for more land that belongs to other nations. In this process it may upset the other nation and escalate into a war. Often wars start over borders between nations. I shall change the resolution to reflect the same for those nations with citizens that are not human beings. Also to further understand the hugeness of this problem we must take into consideration the fact that when landmines are deployed they are deployed in the ten thousands. Normally only one deployment of landmines covers ten square miles. Thousands of land mines over possibly hundreds of square miles depending on the amount of deployments of landmines. That is a huge area and it is a huge problem. We have to do something about this!

I'm not UN experienced enough to comment on whether the issues in this proposal have already been covered in another one or not, so will stick to the proposal itself.

At first read, I liked it, at second read, I liked it even more :).

I do have one suggestion for you though. I've noticed in a couple of debates about animal rights proposals that there are some people here who don't think much of animals being put above or equal to humans (or any other sentient species), and in your proposal here, you mention animals being injured and killed twice, in fact give a whole paragraph to them, while humans share only one paragraph with the animals.

Perhaps you should consider swapping that around, so you are putting more emphasis on the injuries and deaths to humans. By all means mention the animals, but make sure the horrible deaths and disfigurements landmines cause people is more prominate.

It would come from voluntary donations from citizens then.
in that case, it will have our support. just make sure that it is in the wording

in that case, it will have our support. just make sure that it is in the wording

Done. Thank you very much for your support. :)

I'm not UN experienced enough to comment on whether the issues in this proposal have already been covered in another one or not, so will stick to the proposal itself.

At first read, I liked it, at second read, I liked it even more :).

I do have one suggestion for you though. I've noticed in a couple of debates about animal rights proposals that there are some people here who don't think much of animals being put above or equal to humans (or any other sentient species), and in your proposal here, you mention animals being injured and killed twice, in fact give a whole paragraph to them, while humans share only one paragraph with the animals.

Perhaps you should consider swapping that around, so you are putting more emphasis on the injuries and deaths to humans. By all means mention the animals, but make sure the horrible deaths and disfigurements landmines cause people is more prominate.

I'm fairly certain these issues have not been covered. Although there was the ban of landmines there has been no proposal to eliminate those already implemented before that proposal or those implemented before joining of the United Nations. Ah yes silly silly me I shall change this. Thank you for your support! I didn't take out that paragraph on animals since its a valid argument to affecting multiple nations but I included 2 paragraphs on harming citizens of those nations. I still don't know what category to put it into. I was thinking Enviromental but no businesses are really affected by this. At least in no ways which I could think of. Anyways for reference here's the updated proposal (it's also updated on the 1st page):

Removing Landmines
A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.

Category: Global Disarmament Strength: Strong Proposed by: Kosco

Description:

Reaffirming implementation of Resolution #40 “Banning the use of Landmines” and hereby upholding that resolution.

Deeply disturbed by those landmines already in the ground before implementation of Resolution #40 or those implemented before nations join the United Nations.

Horrified by how citizens of those nations where landmines are present who are innocent and do not directly relate to the war for which these landmines were implemented are killed, rendered disabled, and generally degraded as a citizen of that nation by these landmines.

Whereas these innocent citizens have no knowledge of where the minefields are and therefore are further killed and injured by these landmines.

Disturbed by how nearby plants and animals are killed and harmed by landmines. Noting how this disrupts the ecosystems and enviroments and how these ecosystems and enviroments cross borders and affect multiple nations.

Noting that land is taken up by landmines and thus is not suitable for occupation by citizens of those nations. This leads to other lands being sought out for use. Those lands may include those of other nations (possibly causing war and disputes between those nations), less suitable lands, and/or lands already heavily populated by citizens of that nation.

Believing that these landmines should be extracted under peacetime between nations for all these reasons the Nation of Kosco calls for the creation of the Landmine Removal and Education Organization or the L.R.E.O. to oversee the following articles:

1. A non-profit organization shall be established by the L.R.E.O. to provide all funds for the L.R.E.O.’s purposes. Funds for the organization would come from the donations of citizens of the United Nations.
2. All nations within the United Nations shall be obligated to share their technologies with other nations associated with the removal of landmines.
3. All nations within the United Nations shall be encouraged to supply volunteers who specialize in removing landmines. Those specialists would implement the technologies in Article 1 to remove landmines within any nation requiring removal during peacetime.
4. An education progam shall be established to educate the peoples of all nations within the United Nations about the affects of landmines and the location of minefields.
5. Those nations within the United Nations that have deployed landmines will be obligated to provide any records on where those landmines were deployed during peactime.
6. Every nation that enters the United Nations after passage of this resolution shall be inspected for landmines within their nation during peactime.

The L.R.E.O shall be centralized within the United Nations headquarters.

Leaders of the L.R.E.O. shall be those top 12 landmine extraction specialists (as deemed by the United Nations according to the merits of education, experience, and endorsement by other specialists).

New leaders shall be appointed every 4 years by the current leaders of the L.R.E.O..

Those leaders shall implement and oversee all the activities of the L.R.E.O..

Please pass this resolution knowing that we can effectively reach those goals sought out by Resolution #40 and truly make the world completely landmine free.

Wish I could help you with the catagory, but like I said, I'm pretty UN inexperienced (though learning fast), and with the catagory bit, totally clueless :D.

I do like the rewrite though, and if you submit this, it would have my support :).

Wish I could help you with the catagory, but like I said, I'm pretty UN inexperienced (though learning fast), and with the catagory bit, totally clueless :D.

I do like the rewrite though, and if you submit this, it would have my support :).

Yeah... it doesn't really fit into any category very well. Haha. Oh well. Thanks for the support! Added a part on providing information where landmines have been deployed.

Any more suggestions? Problems with it? If not I think I'll make submit it as a proposal soon and start telegraming delegates. I changed the proposal a lot. Whether because of poor wording, it was redundant, didn't make sense, etc.

I think the closest match would be "Global Disarmament" but you might want to get a mod ruling on what the catagory should be before submitting it.

I think the closest match would be "Global Disarmament" but you might want to get a mod ruling on what the catagory should be before submitting it.

Alright thanks for the help! :)

Official Moderator Opinion: This resolution discusses the use of military hardware by military forces. It therefore belongs in "Global Disarmament".

United Nations Resolution #40 prohibits the deployment of new landmines, but does not address pre-existing landmines. Thus, the idea behind this proposal is legal under NationStates rules. However, to avoid double legislation, this proposal must be written in such a way that it still makes sense even if Resolution #40 gets repealed. Article 7 must be removed and the remainder of the proposal should be rewritten such that it regulates how landmines are dealt with during peacetime.

The reason I say this is because if this proposal gets passed and Resolution #40 gets repealed, then landmines can be deployed in war, but would have to be immediately removed under the terms of this proposal during the war in which the landmies were deployed. Logically, this makes no sense whatsoever, so this proposal should talk only about removing landmines during peacetime.

Resolution #40 covers landmines during wartime, this proposal covers landmines during peacetime, and you've got everything covered without double-legislating.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Official Moderator Opinion: This resolution discusses the use of military hardware by military forces. It therefore belongs in "Global Disarmament".

United Nations Resolution #40 prohibits the deployment of new landmines, but does not address pre-existing landmines. Thus, the idea behind this proposal is legal under NationStates rules. However, to avoid double legislation, this proposal must be written in such a way that it still makes sense even if Resolution #40 gets repealed. Article 7 must be removed and the remainder of the proposal should be rewritten such that it regulates how landmines are dealt with during peacetime.

The reason I say this is because if this proposal gets passed and Resolution #40 gets repealed, then landmines can be deployed in war, but would have to be immediately removed under the terms of this proposal during the war in which the landmies were deployed. Logically, this makes no sense whatsoever, so this proposal should talk only about removing landmines during peacetime.

Resolution #40 covers landmines during wartime, this proposal covers landmines during peacetime, and you've got everything covered without double-legislating.

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
"Think about it for a moment."
NationStates Game Moderator

Alright. Thank you very much! :) The proposal has been changed to meet these standards.