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With a new start and a view on this issue I believed it deserves a new thread. Also so people will see that I have other reasons than my anti-abortion opinionated status on why to repeal this issue, a lot of other reasons. Anywho here's the new improved version that isn't as opinionated!

Repeal “Abortion Rights”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal Resolution: #61 Proposed by: Vistadin

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:

Noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be opposed to Legalizing Abortion to be widespread and justified.

Also noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be in favor of Legalizing Abortion to be wipespread and justified.

Observing that mother’s can put unwanted children up for adoption as an alternative to abortion.

Convinced the debate on Abortion to be a never-ending battle.

Believing that under Resolution #61 Nations’ rights to choose on this issue is violated, their laws are violated, and their morals disregarded.

Noting with regret that with the wording proposed by Resolution #61 those nations which believe Abortion to be murder, immoral, wrong by law, etc. under their Nations’ standards are not considered.

For all these reasons the nation of Kosco calls for Resolution #61 to be repealed by the United Nations and for those Nations’ to decide the standards for Abortion.

Again I apologize if for my first proposal on this issue.

So a bad first proposal is replaced by a worse, moralistic one, that is based upon the "national sovereignty" non-argument. :rolleyes:

We will urge our delegate not to support this.

So a bad first proposal is replaced by a worse, moralistic one, that is based upon the "national sovereignty" non-argument. :rolleyes:

We will urge our delegate not to support this.

Please explain how this is moralistic and based upon National Sovereignty. What this proposal is doing is recognizing both sides of the issue the large support for and against Abortion. The never-ending debate on abortion. Therefore why is the United Nations stepping in and saying that Abortion should be legalized when it not only affects the morals (you stated it was moralistic) but the very laws of the nations and of resolutions already passed under the United Nations. Thats why it should be up to Member Nations'. Not by the United Nations to get caught up in an unsolvable ever debated issue that with either decision has great backlashes. Also that the United Nations is forcing legalization of Abortion.

With a new start and a view on this issue I believed it deserves a new thread. Also so people will see that I have other reasons than my anti-abortion opinionated status on why to repeal this issue, a lot of other reasons. Anywho here's the new improved version that isn't as opinionated!

Repeal “Abortion Rights”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal Resolution: #61 Proposed by: Vistadin

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:

Noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be opposed to Legalizing Abortion to be widespread and justified.

Also noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be in favor of Legalizing Abortion to be wipespread and justified.

Observing that mother’s can put unwanted children up for adoption as an alternative to abortion.

Convinced the debate on Abortion to be a never-ending battle.

Believing that under Resolution #61 Nations’ rights to choose on this issue is violated, their laws are violated, and their morals disregarded.

Noting with regret that with the wording proposed by Resolution #61 those nations which believe Abortion to be murder, immoral, wrong by law, etc. under their Nations’ standards are not considered.

For all these reasons the nation of Kosco calls for Resolution #61 to be repealed by the United Nations and for those Nations’ to decide the standards for Abortion.

Again I apologize if for my first proposal on this issue.

If your nation believes abortion is immoral, then no one in your nation will want to have one. In which case you would not have to fund abortion clinics, or doctors to work in them, because they will never be needed.

The only reason you would have to fund it, is if someone in your nation wants to have one. In which case you will be enforcing your morals on someone else - someone who might have a good reason for needing an abortion.

The choice should remain in the hands of the people. Not the nations, and not the UN. If a woman wants an abortion, it should be her choice to have one - not the choice of someone she has never met and who doesn't give a crap about her future.

Please explain how this is moralistic and based upon National Sovereignty. What this proposal is doing is recognizing both sides of the issue the large support for and against Abortion. The never-ending debate on abortion. Therefore why is the United Nations stepping in and saying that Abortion should be legalized when it not only affects the morals (you stated it was moralistic) but the very laws of the nations and of resolutions already passed under the United Nations. Thats why it should be up to Member Nations'. Not by the United Nations to get caught up in an unsolvable ever debated issue that with either decision has great backlashes. Also that the United Nations is forcing legalization of Abortion.

Even if it is legal, that doesn't make it mandatory. The only reason a nation would have to make laws to ban it is because it wants to remove the free will of it's people to make their own mind up.

Which I would describe as the act of a petty dictator.

If your nation believes abortion is immoral, then no one in your nation will want to have one. In which case you would not have to fund abortion clinics, or doctors to work in them, because they will never be needed.

The only reason you would have to fund it, is if someone in your nation wants to have one. In which case you will be enforcing your morals on someone else - someone who might have a good reason for needing an abortion.

The choice should remain in the hands of the people. Not the nations, and not the UN. If a woman wants an abortion, it should be her choice to have one - not the choice of someone she has never met and who doesn't give a crap about her future.

Not neccesarily true. People in our nation today still have abortions even though many people believe them to be immoral. Many of those supporters of legalization of Abortion claim it to be immoral yet allow it because it should be the choice of the mother and other reasons. People in my nations will not stop Aborting babies because I say it is immoral it's just not going to happen. Exactly I'm having to fund this! Once again it is not only a moral obligation but a legal one. The United Nations should not be able to violate my laws as well as it's standards through this resolution. It should be up to the nations to decide what do you care if my people are or are not Aborting their babies. I do give a crap about the Woman, the baby, and these policies within the United Nations thats why I'm trying to pass this repeal.

Even if it is legal, that doesn't make it mandatory. The only reason a nation would have to make laws to ban it is because it wants to remove the free will of it's people to make their own mind up.

Which I would describe as the act of a petty dictator.

Oh right us who oppose Abortion and would like to make laws to ban is it to remove free will of it's people. NO!!! That is where you are very very mistaken. To put a restriction or a ban on abortion would be (saying if I was to restrict or ban Abortion in my Nation) increase the free will of those people who cannot make up their own mind and fight for their right to have life. Those unborn babies have the right to live too. Both sides are justified! Look at both sides. Even if it's not mandatory it still allows for abuse and violation of the law.

Is there not a shred of support for a justified proposal? Or is just really horrible. If so why is it horrible and what can I do to change it?

We believe that decisions about abortion, including the morality of it, is best left up to the individual not the state.

No repeal of abortion rights will receive our support.

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

Not neccesarily true. People in our nation today still have abortions even though many people believe them to be immoral. Many of those supporters of legalization of Abortion claim it to be immoral yet allow it because it should be the choice of the mother and other reasons. People in my nations will not stop Aborting babies because I say it is immoral it's just not going to happen. Exactly I'm having to fund this! Once again it is not only a moral obligation but a legal one. The United Nations should not be able to violate my laws as well as it's standards through this resolution. It should be up to the nations to decide what do you care if my people are or are not Aborting their babies. I do give a crap about the Woman, the baby, and these policies within the United Nations thats why I'm trying to pass this repeal.

If people are having abortions even when they think it is immoral, what do you think will happen if you make it illegal? You think they are just going to stop? That suddenly people will go "oh my goddess - it's illegal so I can't do it?" No - instead they will keep on having abortions and now you will put them in jail for it as well. Way to care about your people!

I do care about the people in your nation - I care about the right of every woman to make choices about her future without interference from people who can not possibly know what she is going through. If the nation decides, they can ban it. If the UN decides then the choice remains where it should be - in the hands of the woman. Not in my hands - not in your hands - but in the hands of the person who has to live with the choice she makes.

We believe that decisions about abortion, including the morality of it, is best left up to the individual not the state.

No repeal of abortion rights will receive our support.

Giordano,
Acting Senior UN representative,
The Black New World,
Delegate to The Order of The Valiant States

I understand and sadly regret despite my efforts and justifications understand that this proposal will never see the light of day. :( And yet on we go to a new proposal! ;) So here's the new proposal:

Repeal “Abortion Rights”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal Resolution: #61 Proposed by: Vistadin

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:

Noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be opposed to Legalizing Abortion to be widespread and justified.

Also noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be in favor of Legalizing Abortion to be wipespread and justified.

Believing that under Resolution #61 Nations’ rights to choose on this issue is violated, their laws are violated, and their morals disregarded.

Noting with regret that with the wording proposed by Resolution #61 those nations which believe Abortion to be murder, immoral, wrong by law, etc. under their Nations’ standards are not considered.

For all these reasons the Nation of Kosco calls for Resolution #61 to be repealed by the United Nations and for those Nations’ to decide the standards for Abortion.

The Nation of Kosco further discourages further resolutions referring to the ban or legalization of Abortion.

Further thanks goes to "Crispy Fried Chicken" for suggesting change! Thanks a lot!

At least you're entertaining, even if the subject matter is tedious.


I understand and sadly regret despite my efforts and justifications understand that this proposal will never see the light of day. :( And yet on we go to a new proposal! ;) So here's the new proposal:

Repeal “Abortion Rights”
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal Resolution: #61 Proposed by: Vistadin

Description: UN Resolution #61: Abortion Rights (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument:


Boilerplate.



Noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be opposed to Legalizing Abortion to be widespread and justified.

Also noting the reasons for which Nations’ would be in favor of Legalizing Abortion to be wipespread and justified.

"Nations might like it, might not". Alright.



Believing that under Resolution #61 Nations’ rights to choose on this issue is violated, their laws are violated, and their morals disregarded.

Ok, Chumley.

1) You voluntarily gave up your national "rights to not be interfered with" upon joining the UN. If you don't like it, leave. Arguement invalid.
2) Your laws were instantly rewritten when you joined the UN. You were in full compliance as soon as you joined - and you don't have a choice on the matter. Therefore, this arguement is also invalid.
3) Your morals are irrelevant to the international schema. Invalid.



Noting with regret that with the wording proposed by Resolution #61 those nations which believe Abortion to be murder, immoral, wrong by law, etc. under their Nations’ standards are not considered.

You joined the UN, deal with it. You don't like it, leave.



For all these reasons the Nation of Kosco calls for Resolution #61 to be repealed by the United Nations and for those Nations’ to decide the standards for Abortion.

"For no reason, we call for..." :rolleyes:



The Nation of Kosco further discourages further resolutions referring to the ban or legalization of Abortion.

Further thanks goes to "Crispy Fried Chicken" for suggesting change! Thanks a lot!

Congrats, meaningless ending to a ridiculous proposal.

You're still falling behind - give up, you will not gain any support for this idiocy.

At least you're entertaining, even if the subject matter is tedious.

Boilerplate.

"Nations might like it, might not". Alright.

Ok, Chumley.

1) You voluntarily gave up your national "rights to not be interfered with" upon joining the UN. If you don't like it, leave. Arguement invalid.
2) Your laws were instantly rewritten when you joined the UN. You were in full compliance as soon as you joined - and you don't have a choice on the matter. Therefore, this arguement is also invalid.
3) Your morals are irrelevant to the international schema. Invalid.

You joined the UN, deal with it. You don't like it, leave.

"For no reason, we call for..." :rolleyes:

Congrats, meaningless ending to a ridiculous proposal.

You're still falling behind - give up, you will not gain any support for this idiocy.

You're negative comments make me chuckle. I've already given up. So why don't you give up being an a**hole and find a new profession. ;)