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As we are informed no issue has taken on the task of increasing the Cheese Making industry, we wonder if there is a possibility of the UN taking it upon themselves to create a proposal which would increase Cheese Making productivity.

We can immediately point out the possibility of feeding the hungry (increase in beef based agriculture as well), providing government-subsidized cheese for the poor, providing for disaster, providing "for the children" (cheese being a strong source of calcium, necessary for growing bones).

As such, we are curious if any would aid in the initial drafting and/or later telegramming to actually get such a proposal passed.

A short article: In Praise of Cheese

http://www.cdrf.org/doc/In%20the%20News/PreparedFoodsJan05.pdf

If you want more specific information TM me.
(OOC: Note:I am affiliated with the California Dairy Research Foundation, and various dairy organizations, so I am a tad bit biased ;))

okay, this is one of the more bizzar concepts that we have come across. when the other food industries heard about this concept, there was a general concensus that it involves favouratism to one particular sector. while the cheese makers liked this idea, the others thought it to be favouratism. so on that account, we would not propose such a resolution, nor would we support one.

Vastiva is not biased to just the cheese industry. We would gladly create a proposal which upped food industries across the board.

However, as the challenge involves increasing the Cheese industry itself, it would make the challenge moot to disclude it from consideration.

Alright, here's an example of what I mean.


Basic Needs
(Social Justice, Significant)

RESOLVED all citizens shall have free and equal access to:

A) at least one consistent source of clean, potable water
within reasonable distance from their domicile or place of residence;
B) running water, where technologically and economically feasible, to supply those items referenced in the "Keep the World Disease Free!" Resolution and allow for good hygiene;
C) adequate sewer systems for waste disposal;

In addition, all UN members shall subsidize and/or otherwise make available at lowest possible cost to all their citizens:

A)adequate first aid supplies;
B)basic hygene supplies (soap, toothbrush, toothpaste);
C)basic food supplies (cheese, milk, butter, bread).


While its classed as "Social Justice", the final clause would include subsidies for the Cheese and Beef-based Agricultural sectors, increasing those industries selectively.

While its classed as "Social Justice", the final clause would include subsidies for the Cheese and Beef-based Agricultural sectors, increasing those industries selectively.
Excellent! It increases social justice as well as boosting the cheese and beef-based ag. sectors. Yelda has approved your proposal. Cheese is good!

(wonders if anyone else will join in)

I particularly like how cheese and milk are now basic foodstuffs. Very well done, Vastiva! Definitely has our support*.

*Which really isn't much, when you think about it, as I'm not delegate now. But I will talk to my delegate.

(wonders if anyone else will join in)
We need more cheese!
I support this resolution.

I support the cheese!!!!
All hail E-ZCheese!!!!!!!!

Beef-based agriculture is The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites main industry, we'll support it.:D

I'm down with the cheese biz. That doesn't necessarily mean I'll vote for a proposal on it, though. :D

But kudos to Vastiva for the good proposal idea. :)

I'm just waiting for someone to say all their citizens are lactose intolerant...

Of course, I think a Free Trade proposal would help more.

That's next.
First, the "under the radar" method....

You're just trying to get one of the easter egg issues, aren't you?

There's got to be an easier way than this.

Easter egg issues?

Easter egg issues?
If you meet certain requirements you can recieve special issues. I've recieved one of those myself.

lol, is there a thread on how?

You can get hints in the issues list. in the issues forum.

The one that says **SPOILER ALERT** (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345941)

Well, as I'd never heard of "easter egg issues", no, this is not an attempt to get one. It's an attempt to make up for a lack in the issues with something that genuinely fits UN parameters.

*Bagpipes offstage herald the announcement that ...*

Findhorn is with you!

Provided, of course, that you include goats'-milk cheese.

(Findhorn -- proud to be a Nanny State!)

Anyone else have a pro-Cheese proposal?

increase in beef based agriculture as well
I didn't think we ate milk cows.
Aren't the ones we eat castrated males?

Bahgum fully supports all attempts to increase the amount of cheese in the world. We would specifically encourage increased production of grand Northern cheeses such as Lancashire, Cheshire, Yorkshire Blue, Olde York and, of course, Wenslydale.

We would also like to support the cause by holding national 'cheesy music week' on our radio stations. Let the glam rock roll....

By eck

Strange idea, but it just might work.

Sports sponsorships of cheese manufacturers?

I didn't think we ate milk cows.


Hamburger

Perhaps, before we start work on the actual resolution, we should form the Organisation of Producers of Exported Cheese to decide how many kilos of cheese should be released onto the world market at any given time, what price we can get away with, who should be denied cheese, etc.

Or maybe we should first Define Our Terms. What is cheese? quoth jesting Pilate, and would not stay for an answer.

[obligatory bad joke]This proposal is so cheesy[/obligatory bad joke]

:D

Anyway, on to the proposed idea...I like it. Cheese has a long and rich history, and its heritage must be protected. Cheese is like wine, so it must be savoured as such.

What type of cheese?

Red Leicester, Tilsit, Caerphilly, Bel Paese, Red Windsor, Stilton, Grueyer, Emmental, Norwegian Jarlsberger, Liptauer, Lancashire, White Stilton, Danish Blue, Double Gloucester, Cheshire, Dorset Blue Vinney, Brie, Rocquefort, Pont-l'Eveque, Port Salut, Savoyard, Saint-Paulin, Carre-de-L'Est, Boursin, Bresse-Bleue, Perle de Champagne, Camembert, Gouda, Edam, Caithness, Smoked Austrian, Sage Derby, Wensleydale, Gorgonzola, Parmesan, Mozzarella, Pippo Creme, Danish Fimboe, Czechoslavakian Sheep's Milk Cheese, Venezuelan Beaver Cheese, Cheddar, Ilchester, Limburger, Feta or some type that has not yet been considered?

Given the fact that Cheese is Adamsgrad's greatest export, we would be interested in assisting you with any proposal that would affect the Global cheese industry, Vastiva.

Although, it must be said that surely bread is much more a part of the staple diet than cheese.

if u rele want a good export which will make huge profits. make it beer. if you charge excess shipping costs onto taxes the UN will make a killing, and because people will always buy beer, you can do this. so if u and the UN want to make profits of lots and lots, deal with importing and expoting beer!

if u rele want a good export which will make huge profits. make it beer. if you charge excess shipping costs onto taxes the UN will make a killing, and because people will always buy beer, you can do this. so if u and the UN want to make profits of lots and lots, deal with importing and expoting beer!
That reminds me - what ever happened to the Miervatian Beer Accord (or whatever it was Mik called his free trade proposal on beer)?

Are you guys having an argument over cheese? Don't launch a mass war on me, but what is sooooooo very important about the cheese industry? It doesn't seem humongously important to me. Again, please don't launch a war on my new little country. I love it so much.

P.S. What's with the web addresses when you try to put a smiley face in your message bit? I don't get it.

P.P.S. How do I get in the UN, if I'm not in it already? I think I am, but I'm not sure.

P.P.P.S. I am a brand new ruler in this website. I know almost nothing about it. Please don't blame me for asking dumb questions. Even though I sound patheticer than pathetic.

And now it's beer. That is really weird. Hmmmmm...

P.S. Tell me if changing subject and discussing food industry is normal at this website.

Are you guys having an argument over cheese? Don't launch a mass war on me, but what is sooooooo very important about the cheese industry? It doesn't seem humongously important to me. Again, please don't launch a war on my new little country. I love it so much.
A lot of us are getting eccentric in our old age. And we like cheese. If it is possible to convince the UN as a whole that cheese is of international importance, then some of us will attempt to do so. We won't declare war, well, I won't. Can't speak for others.

P.S. What's with the web addresses when you try to put a smiley face in your message bit? I don't get it.
Check your settings for the forum - at the top of the page there should be a button that looks like this: http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/nation_states/top_profile.gif
Click on that, and check your settings, make sure that images are displayed properly. If that doesn't work, have a look when you are next making a post - below the place where you type your message, there should be a checkbox saying "Disable smilies in text". Make sure it isn't checked.

P.P.S. How do I get in the UN, if I'm not in it already? I think I am, but I'm not sure.
At the top of the UN page of the NationStates site, you will see text saying either "Anamaraeta is a member of the UN" or "Anamaraeta is not a member of the UN". If it is the latter, you can join the UN by following the link that should be nearby.

P.P.P.S. I am a brand new ruler in this website. I know almost nothing about it. Please don't blame me for asking dumb questions. Even though I sound patheticer than pathetic.
Ah, you'll be fine. Just make sure you have a look at the FAQ, and the stickies in whichever forums you intend to post in.

Cheese IS of international importance. This is obvious. If we say it often enough, loud enough, we will convince others. If we do not convince them, it is because they are evil, apathetic, Satanists, Goths, right-wingers, left-wingers, fundamentalists, (fill in personal hate-list), and should all be (shot, dismembered, fluffled, sent a cookie, DEATed, bathed, other).

What amazing intervention of a beneficent power has preserved us thus far from recitations of the Monty Python Cheese Sketch?

And, to preserve me from being dobbed in for spamming, let me wrench this post back to the subject by putting in a good word for Tasmanian King Island cheeses.

Cheese IS of international importance. This is obvious. If we say it often enough, loud enough, we will convince others. If we do not convince them, it is because they are evil, apathetic, Satanists, Goths, right-wingers, left-wingers, fundamentalists, (fill in personal hate-list), and should all be (shot, dismembered, fluffled, sent a cookie, DEATed, bathed, other).

What amazing intervention of a beneficent power has preserved us thus far from recitations of the Monty Python Cheese Sketch?

And, to preserve me from being dobbed in for spamming, let me wrench this post back to the subject by putting in a good word for Tasmanian King Island cheeses.

(Smirk) All but preserved :}

And now I want to say "blessed are the cheesemakers" just to annoy you a little more :}

And now I want to say "blessed are the cheesemakers" just to annoy you a little more :}
/me hands out lovely cheese boards with a handy cheese slicer at one hand.

"Raise the Board, and Praise Cheeses!"

My nation is very talented in the making of cheese. It's one of our major exports, and we have even developed some of our own ... brands of cheese, if you will - the Royal Mousebumples Cheese (preferred by human taste buds) and Monkey Feet Cheese (preferred by the long-haired flying treemice within my nation, for its bitter taste, as well as a cheese made for those who are lactose intolerant!

Sadly, I am unable to eat cheese or milk, so my people got to work, creating cheese that has the lactase enzyme already in it, so that I (and others like me) could still enjoy the wonderful cheese-filled culture of my nation. Should any other nations or leaders express concern for reasons of lactose-intolerance, the people of Mousebumples will gladly meet whatever demand there is for exporting the Royal Lactase Cheese to any desiring nation. (for a proper fee, of course!)

Upon submission of this propsal, the United Monkey Feet of Mousebumples will approve it and look forward to voting on such a resolution. :)

Are you guys having an argument over cheese? Don't launch a mass war on me, but what is sooooooo very important about the cheese industry? It doesn't seem humongously important to me. Again, please don't launch a war on my new little country. I love it so much.

P.S. What's with the web addresses when you try to put a smiley face in your message bit? I don't get it.

P.P.S. How do I get in the UN, if I'm not in it already? I think I am, but I'm not sure.

P.P.P.S. I am a brand new ruler in this website. I know almost nothing about it. Please don't blame me for asking dumb questions. Even though I sound patheticer than pathetic.
Surely the visitor from Anamaraeta has heard of Gruyere?
Any number of battles were fought over the cheese; many of the castles in that region were built to protect the cheese.

That may have been how the Swiss got their start in banking, in fact.

Surely the visitor from Anamaraeta has heard of Gruyere?
Any number of battles were fought over the cheese; many of the castles in that region were built to protect the cheese.

That may have been how the Swiss got their start in banking, in fact.
In addition, there is Cheddar. The Romans built a fort to protect cheddar cheese production. If the Romans thought it was that important, shouldn't you?
(You don't have to answer that)

We believe it is time Cheese took its proper place on the international stage.

Remember cheese isn't just a food, it's also a religion.

In addition, there is Cheddar. The Romans built a fort to protect cheddar cheese production. If the Romans thought it was that important, shouldn't you?
(You don't have to answer that)

OOC: I can't find any evidence for that.

IC: We still use that fortress, and, needless to say, the soldiers there never complain that they're not well fed...

Are we all in agreement then, cheese is a global industry and historically is one of the most important foods in the history of mankind.

A UN resolution proposal on cheese would merit UN attention.

Your comments on the "Basic Needs" proposal, posted earlier?

OOC: I can't find any evidence for that.

Well... that came from a Wallace and Gromit yearbook/cheesebook. Not sure how accurate it actually is.

OOC:
Think we could get this passed in time for this year's Coopers Hill Cheese Rolling Competition (http://www.2camels.com/destination359.php3) on May 11th?

I'm willing to try. So we need a draft, discussion, introduction, and telegramming.

Well... that came from a Wallace and Gromit yearbook/cheesebook. Not sure how accurate it actually is.
OOC: That's probably the first clue that it isn't. I personally have never seen the Wallace and Gromit animations, but I can safely say that they were not meant to be "historical evidence", especially when it comes to Rome. Maybe it is true- I don't think Wallace would say something like that if it weren't because his creater would get blasted for not doing his research, and he'd want to avoid that. Regardless, I'll play along anyway. :D

Yes, I was intreigued. I did not find anything directly about fortresses used to protect cheese supplies, but it really is not that far fetched an idea.

Cheese trade was born in Rome, Llegaban the capital of all Italian provinces, but the "caseus alpino" was also imported to Rome from other distant regions as Nimes, Saboya and sections of present Switzerland. In 161, Imperator Antoninus died from eating too much cheese at his palace in Lorium near Rome.

Quoted from Here (http://www.gourmet-cheeses-of-the-world.com/Information_Sources/cheese_history.htm)


As early as 3500 BC, the Sumerians are known to have consumed cheese. Their bas-reliefs show them milking cows and curdling milk. Later, Homer, in his 9th-century BC Odyssey, describes the Cyclops Polyphemus making cheese. Homer wrote about goat cheese being made in Greek mountain caves. One variety of cheese, that he called ‘Cynthos’ [possibly Feta] was sold to the Romans. In the third century BC, the Greek historian Xenophon wrote of a goat cheese that had been made for centuries in Peloponnesus. Also during the 3rd-century BC, Aristotle mentioned a cheese that was made from mares’ and Asses’ milk.

There are many references to cheese in the Old Testament. In 2 Samuel 17:29 it is stated that David was fed with cow’s milk when he escaped across the River Jordan. In 1 Samuel 17:18, it was said that David gave ten cheeses to the captain of the army that was preparing to do battle with Saul.

As time passed, the art of cheese making migrated west, as did civilization, to Rome. The Romans are known to have enjoyed curd cheese with their Bacchanals. They also mixed sheep and goat milk to make cheese and to have added herbs and spices for flavoring. In addition, the Romans discovered how to smoke cheese. They also enjoyed a variety of soft cheeses, salted cheeses and a Limburger-type cheese.

By this time, the Romans had learned to use rennet to obtain greater control over the types of curd produced. They also used vegetable extracts, in addition to animal rennet, to induce curdling and curd formation. They made the rennet substitute extracts by soaking such items as fig bark, safflower seeds and thistle flowers in water.

By 127 BC Marcus Terentius Varro wrote about the differences in cheese digestibility that he had noted in cheeses that came from various locations. In 50 AD, Columella described, in considerable detail, how to make cheese.

We also know that Julius Caesar’s legions used cheese much as modern armies use K rations. They carried cheese with them, in 59 BC, on their march into Gaule. Wherever the Romans went they subjugated the savages and taught them the civilized art of cheese making.

By the year 300 AD, the Romans were regularly exporting cheeses to cities around the Mediterranean coast. It is even reported that the Roman emperor Diocletian was involved in cheese price fixing. One of the cheeses, involved in the price fixing scheme, may have been called ‘La Luna’, the possible precursor of Parmesan. A cheese named Parmesan was first written about in 1579 although it dates from Roman times.

From the 5th-century to the 15th-century, during the European Middle Ages, the monks perfected cheese-making techniques. They have been credited with the development of such world famous cheeses as Brie and Camembert. Also, in this time period, in the 13th-century to be more exact, farmwomen developed their own varieties of cheese. In 1267, in Déservilliers, France the first cheese cooperative was chartered to make cheese from milk collected from the farms in the region.

In the 16th-century Emmental and Gruyère became well known in Switzerland and France. At that time there was even a ‘marriage manual’, written for young women aspiring marriage, called La Ménagerie de Paris, that advised its readers to choose a “good and honest cheese…”.

Cheese traveled to Canada with the early French explorers, but making cheese in Canada dates only from the introduction of cattle into Québec, between 1608 and 1610. Records indicate that, in 1630, the Arcadians supplied cheese for the French fleet in Canadian waters.

Originally, the Swiss herders made their Emmenthaler cheese in the highlands. It wasn’t until the 15th-century that they realized that the cheese could also be made at their farmhouses in the valleys. By 1815, the first very crude cheese ‘factory’ was set up in Bern. Some 750 more crude ‘factories’ were established in the region by the end of the century.

In spite of the earlier, but token Swiss cheese factories’, cheese making was a home industry as late as the middle of the 19th-century. It was still modeled upon the techniques developed by the European monks during the Middle Ages. In 1851, a farmer by the name of Jesse Williams, in upstate New York, was known as being one of the better cheese makers in his area. His neighbors began sending him their milk for processing into cheese. His was the world’s first de facto cheese factory.

As on June 1st 1951, the International Cheese Treaty was signed, there is proof of Cheese having international significance.

OOC: I may have read that earlier, but not in much detail as I was trying to find evidence of the "cheese fortress".

Hmmnn...so our nation smoked cheese. Yet another reason to legalize drugs :D.

"The International Cheese Treaty" has something of a ring to it...

So, we have "Basic Needs" and "International Cheese Treaty"

How about some input for meat on those bones?

OOC: I may have read that earlier, but not in much detail as I was trying to find evidence of the "cheese fortress".

Hmmnn...so our nation smoked cheese. Yet another reason to legalize drugs :D.
Haven't found a cheese fortress citation yet, but I did find this article on exploding gruyere (http://www.obvious.fsnet.co.uk/etiquette/swiss.htm).


Maybe I should have tried gruyere.com in the first place. This (http://www.gruyere.com/histo/histo_e.html) mentions cheese protections during the 30 years war.

"Section 9: Cheese shall not be used as a deadly weapon in any form"

Alright....

I'm just waiting for someone to say all their citizens are lactose intolerant...

Of course, I think a Free Trade proposal would help more.Starts to raise hand ... but puts it back down quickly upon noting the devotion to cheeses in the room. :p

Now, while I might question the sanity of the topic, I'm usually pro-free trade, and what the hell, if its well written enough ... :D

The "sanity" is - no issue covers cheese. It is a matter which the UN should address - repeatedly. So we're attempting to put together a "cheese based" resolution.

A free trade one sounds excellent. How would you approach it?

Q : " A free trade one sounds excellent. How would you approach it ? "

A : Carefully ?

:p

Errr, I mean, well, aside from being a pain and saying " there are probably some excellent stickies you could read " :D ( hee ! ) I'd suggest promoting the cheese industry, e.g. request removal of tariffs on cheese import / export, recommendgovernment subsidies to Commercial Scale Cheese Makers and start-ups, things like that. Anything and everything you could get away with, ( within reason ) to promote cheese via the routes of global commerce, and all that stuff, etc.

"Section 9: Cheese shall not be used as a deadly weapon in any form"

Alright....

So I can't use Cheese Whiz on my new military campaign? Drats...

On a more serious matter: we could even make a clause that would create a "World Cheese Fair" so that nations can exhibit ther cheeses to the world. I know I'd love to attend that.

It would have to be phrased something like:


ALLOWS FOR an annual cheese fair to be held in a member state at which all UN member states may display and arrange for trade of their various cheeses and cheese-related products;

GIVES LEAVE for the membership of the UN to arrange this event in any manner they select on a yearly basis;

WITH UNDERSTANDING this event, while sanctioned by the UN, is not paid for by the UN, nor is attendence to, nor the holding of, this fair to be considered manditory upon passage of this resolution.

I like the idea of a cheese fair! Sounds like fun. Good idea on the cheese industry bit, Vastiva! :p

Wow, groundswell...

perhaps we should have a clause about cheese-making bacteria being exempt from resolution #16, Elimination of Bio Weapons.

:rolleyes: