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Abstract arguement pro-"Crucial Subsidy Regulation"


The disparity between the richest countries and the smallest
countries must be decreased to a tolerable level. The proposal will effectivly enable the weaker country to reap more of the benefits from the fruits of their labor. The living standard in the larger country shall not decrease but rather the living standard of the lesser nation shall be uplifted. When a large government subsidizes a product that is not essential to their economy and proceeds to export it to a country that sells the same product at a cheaper (subsidized by the dominant citizens) price, the smaller economy suffers and the larger one gets bigger. Competition is great, but we must raise our bottom line on living standards for the entire world through more cooperation.

The delegate from Krioval would like to remind countries who seem to have poor economies that they need to encourage industry. Try it. It works wonders. Kriovalians work hard for their standard of living, and are not about to be pressured to give it to another country that is unable to pull itself up by its bootstraps. The short version: you want aid from Krioval, you'd better have something to offer Krioval.

Why should Vastiva (Economy: Frightening) give a damn about the economy of any other nation? We'll sell you our goods, you buy them. If you don't have something to sell us, why should we buy from you, or give you our money?

I find the disparity to already be at a tolerable level. If you want to improve your economy, try making the right decisions.

Why should Vastiva (Economy: Frightening) give a damn about the economy of any other nation? We'll sell you our goods, you buy them. If you don't have something to sell us, why should we buy from you, or give you our money?

Think about the children who are starving as a result of multi-national economic exploitation of other countries.

Think about the children who are starving as a result of multi-national economic exploitation of other countries.

Wrong argument to use on me (though it was directed toward Vastiva, I admit). "The children" are often a convenient political contrivance to mobilize popular opinion and to loosen pursestrings. Frankly, I cannot think of a single nation with bad economy that was in such dire straits for reasons other than incompetent or corrupt leadership. In the first case, electing a bleeding heart government that taxes the hell out of everybody but still runs a deficit eventually collapses the economy. In the second case, corrupt dictators are making money off the "exploitation" of their country. Krioval does not reward people for making the wrong decisions over and over. Perhaps we would consider relief for a crisis or one mistake, but if a country with a habitually weak economy wants to get out of it, they can do so themselves. Or they can appeal to Krioval for annexation. We can always use more land and a larger labor pool.

Why should Vastiva (Economy: Frightening) give a damn about the economy of any other nation? We'll sell you our goods, you buy them. If you don't have something to sell us, why should we buy from you, or give you our money?

Think about the children who are starving as a result of multi-national economic exploitation of other countries.

Waaah, boo-hoo. You're absolutely right. Therefore, Vastiva announces annexation of Adamsgrad as obviously they have no idea of how to protect their children, while ours eat well.

We will, of course, be killing off the incompetant ones who got Adamsgrad into that condition in the first place, en masse.

So much for that idiot arguement, try again. There are several quadrillion people on this planet, a few kids more or less is not our problem - and if you can't take care of your people, give them to someone who will - US.

Any other questions?

The proposal is not about starving children, frighting economies, or crying. The point has been lost. Ideally, more economies would be frightning with their growth but really I want to see less implosion and more expansion. By not subsidizing your products to a non-competitive degree with other economies who depend on the product in question. Example:Country x exports uranium. It accounts for 50% of country x's GNP. The set market price useing the supply and demand theory is $1000 per pound. That industry generates 100,000,000 for their economy. So their total GNP is 200,000,000. Now country y also has uranium. Their GNP is 20,000,000,000. It (uranium) accounts for only 1% of their total economy, but to compete with country x, taxes its citizens so it can sell the uranium for $900 per pound. The resolution would prevent the country from subsidizing the product to a lower price so the smaller economy can flourish and the larger economies of the world can expand trade partners. If not enacted smaller economies may implode. This is not "free" or "fair" trade. The current system furthers the divide between richest and poorest countries. The Free Land of Fecal has a strong economy for the record, so this resolution is certainly not self-serving.

The fact of the matter is that Krioval will trade as Krioval wishes to trade. We don't want oversight committees, forced agreements, or other bureaucracy interfering in the process. Our government already comprises sufficient levels of bureaucracy when it comes to regulating trade. More will simply damage economies as people are forced to sit and twiddle their thumbs while their latest trade proposal is vetted by some other group of people. Add in the high probability for corruption among the regulators, and there's a recipe for disaster. Basically, all it would do is faciliate workarounds or worse yet, deter nations from trading in favor of making everything they need directly - or invading others to obtain resources.

My first priority is a strong economy. My second is a strong military. Ultimately, if other nations devalue their economy in favor of other pursuits, fine, but when they hit rock bottom, I fully intend to improve my first priority by effective use of my second.

Waaah, boo-hoo. You're absolutely right. Therefore, Vastiva announces annexation of Adamsgrad as obviously they have no idea of how to protect their children, while ours eat well.

We will, of course, be killing off the incompetant ones who got Adamsgrad into that condition in the first place, en masse.

So much for that idiot arguement, try again. There are several quadrillion people on this planet, a few kids more or less is not our problem - and if you can't take care of your people, give them to someone who will - US.

Any other questions?

The children of Adamsgrad are just fine. Education is well funded and the economy very strong.

when I made the comment, I was referring to other, less developed economically developed countries. If you do not care about the world's children, then you do not care about the world's future.

The children of Adamsgrad are just fine. Education is well funded and the economy very strong.

when I made the comment, I was referring to other, less developed economically developed countries. If you do not care about the world's children, then you do not care about the world's future.

Vastiva will gladly take over any "less developed country" and bring it up to our standards in a relatively short period of time.

Again - obviously, if the current regime can't take care of the poor, oppressed children, then OURS CAN.

So you can stop trying to pluck on the heartstrings, Adamsgrad - the solution is simple. Let those who can, do, and those who can't, die. Next?

Let those who can, do, and those who can't, die. Next?

I want a T-Shirt with this statement on it.

*sends you a T-shirt with that phrase silkscreened on it*

The proposal is not about starving children, frighting economies, or crying. The point has been lost. Ideally, more economies would be frightning with their growth but really I want to see less implosion and more expansion. By not subsidizing your products to a non-competitive degree with other economies who depend on the product in question. Example:Country x exports uranium. It accounts for 50% of country x's GNP. The set market price useing the supply and demand theory is $1000 per pound. That industry generates 100,000,000 for their economy. So their total GNP is 200,000,000. Now country y also has uranium. Their GNP is 20,000,000,000. It (uranium) accounts for only 1% of their total economy, but to compete with country x, taxes its citizens so it can sell the uranium for $900 per pound. The resolution would prevent the country from subsidizing the product to a lower price so the smaller economy can flourish and the larger economies of the world can expand trade partners. If not enacted smaller economies may implode. This is not "free" or "fair" trade. The current system furthers the divide between richest and poorest countries. The Free Land of Fecal has a strong economy for the record, so this resolution is certainly not self-serving.
Have you heard of formatting?
I'd like to direct your attention especially to the concept of paragraphs.

*sends you a T-shirt with that phrase silkscreened on it*

*Puts it on, vowing never take it off save for washing*

Vastiva will gladly take over any "less developed country" and bring it up to our standards in a relatively short period of time.

Again - obviously, if the current regime can't take care of the poor, oppressed children, then OURS CAN.

So you can stop trying to pluck on the heartstrings, Adamsgrad - the solution is simple. Let those who can, do, and those who can't, die. Next?

I think you missed my point a bit. The reason why some nations are poor is because they are being economically exploited by richer countries.

Your country should want to help (not take over, you power hungry chipmunk), countries that are economically disadvantaged because of exploitation by other countries such as yourself.

Your last line says it all about your nation. No doubt, you are a adherent to the ideals of National Socialism. Shame on you. My nation is remilatarising as we speak.

The federation of Engineering Chaos used to have an imploded economy. After many decades of hard work and sacrifice I now have the strongest economy in my region and am economically rated as "frightening".
Engineering Chaos now refuses to give finacle help to 3rd world countries. The 50'000'000 screw drivers we gave to a developing nation,to construct a telecommunications network, vanished, amasingly a short while after the Ruler of that country bought a new yacht!
My nation now helps smaller nations by sending in teams to build the required facilities and bill the government for the work done. We get a few nice trade deals at the same time, but what does that matter we helped them out! We deserve a little something back.

The Delegate from the Confederacy of the Moravian Counties would like to place support in favor of a world-wide free trade agreement. All nations deserve equal oppurtunity, even if not equality anywhere else.

I think you missed my point a bit. The reason why some nations are poor is because they are being economically exploited by richer countries.

Your country should want to help (not take over, you power hungry chipmunk), countries that are economically disadvantaged because of exploitation by other countries such as yourself.

Your last line says it all about your nation. No doubt, you are a adherent to the ideals of National Socialism. Shame on you. My nation is remilatarising as we speak.

No doubt your nation is rather foolish.

We believe in Free Capitalizm - the free market. Those who can, do. Those who cannot, are wiped out by the forces of the natural market.

Boo hoo for them.

We are not interested in creating an empire, though we appear to have swallowed much territory. A closer look will show the nations which have flocked to our aegis have multiplied their profitability many times - in short, use our system and you can feed your people.

Your nation is obviously a bunch of liberal kneejerkers who believe that "helping the world" is what is best for everyone, one who complains because the ficticious nation of the United States has most consumption - forgetting that it is also the United States which makes the most.

You make it, you have it, you can use it. Duh.

We point to two nations in Africa. Our revitalization of their nations included a full revitalization of their banking and industry. They are now close partners to Vastiva. Why? Because they can see what works.


Fascism: Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.

Believing Vastiva follows that pattern would demonstrate the sheer ignorance of the individual holding that belief.


the communist philosophy views freedom in a collective light, and defines it as the realization of human economical equality, which can only be achieved through a collective effort. It believes that people can only be truly "free" if they are not subject to the "superhuman" laws of capital and profit.

Most definitely not Vastiva.


The capitalist philosophy views freedom in the exact opposite way, in an individualistic light, and defines it as an absence of coercion: the ability of the individual to live as he truly desires.

Capitalism: the free, voluntary exchange of private property in the form of goods and services, in pursuit of personal betterment, by means of mutual agreement.

That's all. That's it. People being allowed to do with their property and their resources and selves what they danged well please, so long as they respect the rights of others to do with their own property and possessions and selves as they danged well please. Equal rights, property rights, and personal rights in a nutshell. that isn't the whole of morality, but it's a damned big major part of it. It's pinned on respecting people's person and property, honoring agreements made of your own free will (because to do otherwise is theft), not doing harm to others (because that is to rob another of their well-being).


That's Vastiva. And if your nation cannot ably take care of its people, then it is a speedbump to be leveled, nothing more. We do not believe "all people should be made equal" - people are not equal and never will be.

In short - militarize if you wish, but to fear a Capitalist such as we is to fear the boogyman in your closet, and to ignore real threats.

The federation of Engineering Chaos used to have an imploded economy. After many decades of hard work and sacrifice I now have the strongest economy in my region and am economically rated as "frightening".
Engineering Chaos now refuses to give finacle help to 3rd world countries. The 50'000'000 screw drivers we gave to a developing nation,to construct a telecommunications network, vanished, amasingly a short while after the Ruler of that country bought a new yacht!
My nation now helps smaller nations by sending in teams to build the required facilities and bill the government for the work done. We get a few nice trade deals at the same time, but what does that matter we helped them out! We deserve a little something back.

We might suggest you follow Vastiva's pattern - we put businesses into the country. From these businesses, we teach our philosophy and educate the masses. We are also well paid for our time and trouble. When all is said and done, the nation has a strong infrastructure and becomes a trading partner, with a committed and long term relationship with Vastiva.

The Delegate from the Confederacy of the Moravian Counties would like to place support in favor of a world-wide free trade agreement. All nations deserve equal oppurtunity, even if not equality anywhere else.

We agree completely - give our juggernaut the ability to mow over other nations with impunity, destroying malignant and stultified infrastructure and replacing it with a more able economy!

Is the delegate aware that free trade BENEFITS smaller nations?

OOC: you were being sarcastic, right?

Kenya's Akinye Arunga puts it this way: "Cute indigenous lifestyles simply mean indigenous poverty, indigenous malnutrition, indigenous disease and childhood death. I don't wish this on my worst enemy, and I wish our so-called friends would stop imposing it on us."

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