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We, the people of Heretical Smartmouths, in an effort to reduce global tensions and promote a society of peace and equality, humbly ask for your support as a regional delegate for the proposal 'Global Arms Reduction II.'

The following is a transcript of the proposal:

OBSERVING the alarming rate of arms production in many industrialized nations.

NOTING that such military buildups serve only to increase international tensions and decrease the possibility of a peaceful solution to disputes.

ASSERTING that a decrease in military funding will make funds available to fund education, internal improvements and social programs.

THUS ARGUES for a dramatic cut in all UN Nation's military spending and the redirection of those funds to one of three areas:

EDUCATION: to further the equality of all people and aid the impoverished to support themselves

INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS: to help improve aspects such as sanitation and transportation, that will aid in the growth of the nation.

SOCIAL PROGRAMS: to provide support for those unable to support themselves and to help the poor achieve independance.

I am not a regional delegate and cannot support your proposal, but if it becomes a resolution you have my vote!

OBSERVING the alarming rate of arms production in many industrialized nations.
What kind of nation would tell you the truth about their arms production if it were actually alarming?

NOTING that such military buildups serve only to increase international tensions and decrease the possibility of a peaceful solution to disputes.
Debatable.

ASSERTING that a decrease in military funding will make funds available to fund education, internal improvements and social programs.
Irrefutable.

THUS ARGUES for a dramatic cut in all UN Nation's military spending and the redirection of those funds to one of three areas:
Dramatic? Many nations could take dramatic to be a 5 USD reduction. You need to set a specific percentage. Also, only of the the three areas? Why only one?

EDUCATION: to further the equality of all people and aid the impoverished to support themselves
Education = Equality?

INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS: to help improve aspects such as sanitation and transportation, that will aid in the growth of the nation.

SOCIAL PROGRAMS: to provide support for those unable to support themselves and to help the poor achieve independance.
Nothing to argue.

Just as a heads up, a global disarmament resolution will probably never pass. These resolutions don't affect non-member nations, and therefore would result in member nations being less militarily protected in comparison.

Arms manufacturing is one of Krioval's top businesses - we're good at it and it's a cornerstone of our economy. Therefore, we regret to indicate we will not be approving this proposal, though it is quite well-written.

This still does not solve the whole putting us at mercy of non UN nations issue.

This still does not solve the whole putting us at mercy of non UN nations issue.
As far as I can see, nothing can solve this issue.

We, the people of Heretical Smartmouths, in an effort to reduce global tensions and promote a society of peace and equality, humbly ask for your support as a regional delegate for the proposal 'Global Arms Reduction II.'

Um, no.

The following is a transcript of the proposal:

OBSERVING the alarming rate of arms production in many industrialized nations.

Define "alarming rate." I see nothing alarming about it.

NOTING that such military buildups serve only to increase international tensions and decrease the possibility of a peaceful solution to disputes.

Personally, I find them quite helpful in encouraging peaceful solutions. I offer to not destroy your nation and, after witnessing me ignite a small planet for the fun of it, you happily go along. Works out beautifully.

ASSERTING that a decrease in military funding will make funds available to fund education, internal improvements and social programs.

Not true. I can just define those as being part of the military and increase its funding to get the same effects.

THUS ARGUES for a dramatic cut in all UN Nation's military spending and the redirection of those funds to one of three areas:

Not necessary.

EDUCATION: to further the equality of all people and aid the impoverished to support themselves

That's what the military is for in DLE. Besides, the military also has the only form of formal education the people actually bother to use. The rest is provided free from the internet. Strangely, I keep getting people more educated in their chosen fields of expertise than most nations with true education systems do.

INTERNAL IMPROVEMENTS: to help improve aspects such as sanitation and transportation, that will aid in the growth of the nation.

Covered by private corporations who compete with the military for customers and employees.

SOCIAL PROGRAMS: to provide support for those unable to support themselves and to help the poor achieve independance.

DLE is not a charity nation. It is set up so that only laziness can lead to you being unable to support yourself. Get out and work and you'll find it's not a problem.

Personally, I find them quite helpful in encouraging peaceful solutions. I offer to not destroy your nation and, after witnessing me ignite a small planet for the fun of it, you happily go along. Works out beautifully.


I think you have proven my point, Demon Lord. Though you are no doubt speaking in jest, such "gunpoint diplomacy" has no place in a modern society. Such machiavellian ideas are outdated concepts that can only lead to the deaths of countless millions.

Case and Point: The Cobalt bomb.
Many nations have been researching and constructing such weapons. The cobalt bomb is similar to the Nuclear bomb, but cobalt bomb radiation has a half-life that is a hundred times longer than that of a normal nuclear bomb
causing around 100 years of fallout. If anyone can find a reason why a nation would need such destructive power, I challenge them to propose it.

I think you have proven my point, Demon Lord. Though you are no doubt speaking in jest, such "gunpoint diplomacy" has no place in a modern society. Such machiavellian ideas are outdated concepts that can only lead to the deaths of countless millions.

Case and Point: The Cobalt bomb.
Many nations have been researching and constructing such weapons. The cobalt bomb is similar to the Nuclear bomb, but cobalt bomb radiation has a half-life that is a hundred times longer than that of a normal nuclear bomb
causing around 100 years of fallout. If anyone can find a reason why a nation would need such destructive power, I challenge them to propose it.

Maybe there is an asteroid the size of all outdoors coming to wipe them out, and this is the only thing that will destroy it.

I think you have proven my point, Demon Lord. Though you are no doubt speaking in jest, such "gunpoint diplomacy" has no place in a modern society. Such machiavellian ideas are outdated concepts that can only lead to the deaths of countless millions.

Case and Point: The Cobalt bomb.
Many nations have been researching and constructing such weapons. The cobalt bomb is similar to the Nuclear bomb, but cobalt bomb radiation has a half-life that is a hundred times longer than that of a normal nuclear bomb
causing around 100 years of fallout. If anyone can find a reason why a nation would need such destructive power, I challenge them to propose it.

Typically, we like weapons like the above because they win wars, which is usually the application toward which weapons development strives. As for "gunpoint diplomacy", many cultures have been improved through their absorption into Kriovalian society, which never would have happened if not for our military superiority. Had we not armed, countless millions would have died from lack of advance in medical and agricultural technology that we brought with us.

I think you have proven my point, Demon Lord. Though you are no doubt speaking in jest, such "gunpoint diplomacy" has no place in a modern society. Such machiavellian ideas are outdated concepts that can only lead to the deaths of countless millions.

My nation is based entirely in space. Many of the nations out there respect you for your military strength. If they don't respect you, you're probably not going to survive long without being attacked. So, yes, it does have a place. It's what keeps my nation alive.

Case and Point: The Cobalt bomb.
Many nations have been researching and constructing such weapons. The cobalt bomb is similar to the Nuclear bomb, but cobalt bomb radiation has a half-life that is a hundred times longer than that of a normal nuclear bomb
causing around 100 years of fallout. If anyone can find a reason why a nation would need such destructive power, I challenge them to propose it.

The thermonuclear bomb has a fallout in the thousands or even millions of years, depending on how big you make the warhead. Current record is, I think, 14 gigatons. Really doesn't matter, as I have cannons with bigger yields than that.

The radiation is a side-effect of the bomb. It is intended to destroy a massive area when you can think of no way to take it without a prohibitive cost. Most people don't use it for that purpose.

A cobalt bomb? Feh, why bother? Our Heinlein protocol will more then adequately obliterate the ability of any land to produce anything for thousands if not millions of years.

Bombs - feh! There's better ways to obliterate.

I am not a regional delegate and cannot support your proposal, but if it becomes a resolution you have my vote!

We'll invade you first.

Personally, I prefer igniting planets and turning them into miniature suns.

I think you have proven my point, Demon Lord. Though you are no doubt speaking in jest, such "gunpoint diplomacy" has no place in a modern society. Such machiavellian ideas are outdated concepts that can only lead to the deaths of countless millions.

He's not jesting. And you've obviously never heard of MAD.

However, if you wouldn't mind taking down all your missile defenses and whatever else you have, we won't mind having a non-UN coalition unloading some nuclear weapons all over your nation.

And if you believe Machiavellian ideas are 'outdated concepts', you've never read "The Prince" and have no idea about modern politics.

Yes as a matter of fact I have heard of MAD. The theory that Mutually Assured Destruction can keep the peace went out of style with the Cold War. Even if we are to support such an idea, many nations have enough firepower to destroy the world several times over, well beyond any justifiable amount.

My point about the cobalt bomb was not its ability to cause large-scale destruction, but its ability to poising the land for hundreds of years, leaving it a nuclear wasteland. What reasonable nation would need such power. Obviously Demon Lord, being a homocidal maniac, should not be included in the realm of reason. So, except for such maniacs, who has a need for such destructive power?

Yes as a matter of fact I have heard of MAD. The theory that Mutually Assured Destruction can keep the peace went out of style with the Cold War. Even if we are to support such an idea, many nations have enough firepower to destroy the world several times over, well beyond any justifiable amount.

The Cold War hasn't happened for most NS nations. Also, I'll remind you that, in reality, the US and several other nations still maintain large nuclear stockpiles just in case. The idea hasn't gone out of style. It's just been toned down.

My point about the cobalt bomb was not its ability to cause large-scale destruction, but its ability to poising the land for hundreds of years, leaving it a nuclear wasteland. What reasonable nation would need such power. Obviously Demon Lord, being a homocidal maniac, should not be included in the realm of reason. So, except for such maniacs, who has a need for such destructive power?

If I were a homicidal maniac outside the realm of reason, as your trolling outright says, your nation would be facing an invasion force right now. When it comes to firepower, keep in mind I'm far from the most heavily armed and NS has quite a few nations with weapons more powerful than mine.

Now, who needs such weapons? Try those defending against the nations who have such weapons and are willing to use them.

We'll invade you first.
It would be easier to do it after he willingly gives up his weapons.

Tocrowkia decrees that this proposal is stupid, and is prepared to leave the UN if it is enacted