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DRAFT: Repeal "The Sex Industry Workers Act"

Petros Et Paulos
20-02-2005, 20:25
**Here is Petros Et Paulos' official draft of the repeal of resolution 91**

The United Nations,

OBSERVING the recent passage of resolution 91, The Sex Industry Workers Act,

NOTING WITH REGRET the declaration of legalized prostitution throughout the UN by “any person who is mature”, yet not declaring a definition of maturity,

REALIZING that there are those that do practice the profession of sex work, many of those being minors, uneducated, or those who are vulnerable,

AND IN THE INTEREST OF law, order, and the definition of morality in the separate member nations,

AND IN PROTECTION OF minors and vulnerable adults

CONDEMNS Resolution 91 on account of poor wording, and infringement on each members sovereignty, which reflects ill on U.N. policy as a whole in addition to being ambiguous and open to corruption, and recommends that such policy be left to the individual member nations to implement according to each individual nation's definition of morality, hereby

REPEALS the resolution.
Powerhungry Chipmunks
20-02-2005, 20:46
Good argments and use of the conventional style. I think the turn towards phrases like "AND IN THE INTEREST OF" and "AND IN PROTECTION OF" are interesting. Maybe in a day or two I'll look back and think they're a little less communicative than the traditional -ING phrases to start out a proposal with, but right now I find the change of pace entrancing.
Powerhungry Chipmunks
20-02-2005, 20:50
D'oh! Now I reemmber where I remember that from: The Global Library Repeal:

REALIZING that holographic technologies are still far from reach in specific nations and expensive to implement, thus delaying the project indefinitely,

AND IN THE INTEREST OF establishing a new Global Library proposal of a practical and efficient nature, hereby

CONDEMNS Resolution 86 on account of poor wording and unprofessional presentation, which reflects ill on U.N. policy as a whole in addition to being ambiguous and therefore easily abused, and


Very interesting. A statement of fact, a promise for the future replacement of the resolution, and a condemnation of the resolution to revisit the reasons for its repeal and conclude that a repeal is warranted. I like it! I'll definitely try incorporating some type of this recapitulation into future repeal proposals.
Green israel
20-02-2005, 20:50
The United Nations,

OBSERVING the recent passage of resolution 91, The Sex Industry Workers Act, passage with 4000 votes or so. this repeal have to be really good.

NOTING WITH REGRET the declaration of legalized prostitution throughout the UN by “any person who is mature”, yet not declaring a definition of maturity many countries has different definitions of maturity. you can define it by yourself, are you?

REALIZING that there are those that do practice the profession of sex work, many of those being minors, uneducated, or those who are vulnerable may you read this part:
3. RECOMMENDS nations that want to limit prostitution to tackle the issue by its roots and create education and social programs that will give more choice to people who might want to become a prostitute.
this part mean you could care this problem by yourself.
AND IN THE INTEREST OF law, order, and the definition of morality in the separate member nationssubjective things, and therefore can't used as argument.

AND IN PROTECTION OF minors and vulnerable adultsuseless repeating.

CONDEMNS Resolution 91 on account of poor wording, and infringement on each members sovereignty, which reflects ill on U.N. policy as a whole in addition to being ambiguous and open to corruption, and recommends that such policy be left to the individual member nations to implement according to each individual nation's definition of morality, herebynow you tell me the UN is ill? why are you UN member?
anyway, the nation sovereignty idea don't have the majority supporting, and you better tryimg not ue him.
also,the wording take compliments from most of the UN members (even from the opposite).
and for last, corruption may exist only if you aren't regulate it in the limits of the resolution.
REPEALS the resolution.
I don't think you are.
Nutballs101
20-02-2005, 23:57
I think we shall keep a close eye on this one as it comes around. This will have a major impact our taxation if this is passed.


Leon A.D Jones - Foreign Affairs Representative
DemonLordEnigma
21-02-2005, 07:27
NOTING WITH REGRET the declaration of legalized prostitution throughout the UN by “any person who is mature”, yet not declaring a definition of maturity,

The problem is the age varies widely just among humans, and that's ignoring the variety of other species in the UN. Going to reality, Albania has it as legal for as young as 14 while Madagascar has it as 21 (let me know if these laws are different, as I don't entirely trust the source). In the US, the age ranges from 14 to 18, with special cases for certain ages.

REALIZING that there are those that do practice the profession of sex work, many of those being minors, uneducated, or those who are vulnerable,

The resolution you are trying to repeal advises you do something about it. Tell your nation's government to stop being lazy and actually do their damned jobs.

AND IN THE INTEREST OF law, order, and the definition of morality in the separate member nations,

Subjective, therefore invalid.

AND IN PROTECTION OF minors and vulnerable adults

Read the resolution you are trying to repeal first.

CONDEMNS Resolution 91 on account of poor wording, and infringement on each members sovereignty, which reflects ill on U.N. policy as a whole in addition to being ambiguous and open to corruption, and recommends that such policy be left to the individual member nations to implement according to each individual nation's definition of morality, hereby

REPEALS the resolution.

Infringing on sovereignity is what the UN does. Get over it.

And if you think this is open to corruption, you have yet to see what I am going to do with the one about humanitarian interventions.
Petros Et Paulos
21-02-2005, 15:52
I have read the resolution! I am totally appalled it states and I quote:


The NationStates UN,

RECALLING resolution #46 "Legalize Prostitution" and the repeal of that resolution,

ALSO RECALLING Resolution #7 (Sexual Freedom), and Resolution #53 (Universal Freedom of Choice), which make sex a private issue, instead of a government issue, and stating "a populace granted the freedom to make choices in life is a happier, more content and more productive society"

AFFIRMING in accordance with the above mentioned resolution that each person has the right to decide over their own body, and has the right to sell ther body if they decide to, without government interference,

ASSUMING an increase in Sexually Transmitted Diseases, as well as an increase in crime, and higher pressure on police, in a situation where prostitution is illegal,

ACKNOWLEDGING that health risks exist, even with legal prostitution,

1. DECLARES prostitution legal throughout the UN: any person who is mature ,and capable of making their own decisions may become a prosititute,

2. EMPHASIZES that legalizing prostitution must coincide with regulation from the government, such as health and safety and other employment legislation, just like any other profession,

3. RECOMMENDS nations that want to limit prostitution to tackle the issue by its roots and create education and social programs that will give more choice to people who might want to become a prostitute,

4. REQUESTS all nations to stimulate a clean and attractive working environment for prostitutes, and advises cooperation with the sex industry to renovate old "illegal" prostitution areas in towns and cities,

5. CONDEMNS child abuse and slavery in accordance with earlier UN resolutions (End slavery, Child Labor, Outlaw Pedophilia, The Child Protection Act, Ban Trafficking in Persons, etc) and advises strong punishments against people involved with these despicable crimes that explicitly are not covered by legal prostitution.

This is terrible! First of all, there are nations that make up membership in this body that feel that the UN giving "sex workers", I call them whores, their "stamp of approval, and the freedom to practice their "profession" in their country to be totally unacceptable! We the people of the Holy Catholic Region condemn this law as totally crude and amoral!

One of my colleagues mentioned earlier:


many countries has different definitions of maturity. you can define it by yourself, are you?

I never intended to "define it by myself" it is needful that this body "define" maturity! If this is going to be in practice within the UN.

However, I find it funny that my colleague mentions that it is okay for other countries to have a different definition of maturity. However, it is not ok for a country to have a different definition of morality? If it is within a countries soverign right to declare a definition of maturity, why is not the same soverign right extended to the country to define morality within their borders?


3. RECOMMENDS nations that want to limit prostitution to tackle the issue by its roots and create education and social programs that will give more choice to people who might want to become a prostitute,

4. REQUESTS all nations to stimulate a clean and attractive working environment for prostitutes, and advises cooperation with the sex industry to renovate old "illegal" prostitution areas in towns and cities,

Our country wishes to outlaw the practice! We educate our children about it, as a matter of fact they are still taught that it is a debase sin which degrades women, and weakens the family! In our country all have a better choice, they can go into the military, or work for the Church!

Request 4 is something that we are not prepared to do, because we do not recognize "prostitution" as a valid profession.

I am asking my colleagues to see this resolution for what it is...trash! Lets leave this decision up to each individual's country. This policy should not be mandated from the floor of the UN!

Thank you.
Neo-Anarchists
21-02-2005, 17:23
This is terrible! First of all, there are nations that make up membership in this body that feel that the UN giving "sex workers", I call them whores, their "stamp of approval, and the freedom to practice their "profession" in their country to be totally unacceptable! We the people of the Holy Catholic Region condemn this law as totally crude and amoral!
Well, we over here aren't all Catholic, so your argument is fairly irrelevant.
However, I find it funny that my colleague mentions that it is okay for other countries to have a different definition of maturity. However, it is not ok for a country to have a different definition of morality? If it is within a countries soverign right to declare a definition of maturity, why is not the same soverign right extended to the country to define morality within their borders?
Go ahead, but quit the UN first, because the UN infringes on sovreignity, like it or not.
Our country wishes to outlaw the practice! We educate our children about it, as a matter of fact they are still taught that it is a debase sin which degrades women, and weakens the family! In our country all have a better choice, they can go into the military, or work for the Church!
Well, you can do that if you want...
Request 4 is something that we are not prepared to do, because we do not recognize "prostitution" as a valid profession.
You already have done it.
Petros Et Paulos
21-02-2005, 17:48
We are not suggesting that everyone is catholic...but what we are suggesting is that there are those who hold morality in high reguard! We are simply saying that the UN has no business telling my country of 10 million morally conservative people that we have to accept "sex workers"!

It would be like the UN saying that every country has to worship the same God! Those issues should either be left up to each individual, or each member nation.

Thank You
Green israel
21-02-2005, 18:00
This is terrible! First of all, there are nations that make up membership in this body that feel that the UN giving "sex workers", I call them whores, their "stamp of approval, and the freedom to practice their "profession" in their country to be totally unacceptable! We the people of the Holy Catholic Region condemn this law as totally crude and amoral!
again, subjective cases can't used as arguments.
in adittion if the prostitution is unacceptable in your countrey this job wouldn't be good way to get money, and your countrey wouldn't have to worry about the prostitute.
however, if some of your people will decide they want be prostitutes, and you can't live with that, you better leave the UN because (as I already said) this resolution enjoy from large majority.


I never intended to "define it by myself" it is needful that this body "define" maturity! If this is going to be in practice within the UN.as I said before many cultures define maturity by themeselves. the world and the universe had more speaches than humans and some has different biolicigal maturity (or maturity by the law).
if you aren't anarchic nation you already have maturity laws (as minimum age laws for drive licenses, buying cigarretes or beer, and serving in the army). the general maturity definition you supposed to have is the same for the prostitution act.

However, I find it funny that my colleague mentions that it is okay for other countries to have a different definition of maturity. However, it is not ok for a country to have a different definition of morality? If it is within a countries soverign right to declare a definition of maturity, why is not the same soverign right extended to the country to define morality within their borders?[/quot]
firstly I would want to know why you call me colleague? I prefer don't use formal language here (unless you got problem with the name "green israel").
however, maturity is basically national decision who aren't connected to rights, universal issues, or other important subject. in addition it even can't debated as every nation had another definition and you could agree with me that the UN has more important issue to care for.
morality is different case. the UN reflect the universal morality, and national morality can't used as argument against the universal morality. the UN porpuse is to decide between the national moralities and choose is way in the different issues, and since every countrey has some kind of morality you have to used other argument for convince others.

[quote]Our country wishes to outlaw the practice! We educate our children about it, as a matter of fact they are still taught that it is a debase sin which degrades women, and weakens the family! In our country all have a better choice, they can go into the military, or work for the Church!wow, so many choices. are you let them breath as they wish?
while you are in the UN they could choose their religion, their sexual partner and act, and even to become prostitutes. the only thing you can do about it when you are in the UN (and you can't pass repealing), is regulate it in the limits of the resolution (as welfare progrrams for decreasing prostitution.
Request 4 is something that we are not prepared to do, because we do not recognize "prostitution" as a valid profession.this is only requesting. you don't have to do so, although this is the part who give you the benefits of the proposal, and it would be pitty you ignore him.

I am asking my colleagues to see this resolution for what it is...trash! Lets leave this decision up to each individual's country. This policy should not be mandated from the floor of the UN!

Thank you.
how mature is to call resolution you aren't like trash.
you can't repeal anything with those arguments.
deal with it, or leave the UN.
Green israel
21-02-2005, 18:12
We are not suggesting that everyone is catholic...but what we are suggesting is that there are those who hold morality in high reguard! We are simply saying that the UN has no business telling my country of 10 million morally conservative people that we have to accept "sex workers"!

It would be like the UN saying that every country has to worship the same God! Those issues should either be left up to each individual, or each member nation.

Thank You
and now you call yourself more moral than all the othe members of the UN. who die, and make you god?
the UN has much more than 100000 milion peoples. why you think your 10 milion citizens worth more?
your people would have to make anything that the UN will decide they do, while you are in the UN.
national sorveignety is nothing against the UN wish.
and most important: just as the UN don't choose your gods, you can't used your gods and religion against the UN.
DemonLordEnigma
21-02-2005, 19:48
I have read the resolution! I am totally appalled it states and I quote:




This is terrible! First of all, there are nations that make up membership in this body that feel that the UN giving "sex workers", I call them whores, their "stamp of approval, and the freedom to practice their "profession" in their country to be totally unacceptable! We the people of the Holy Catholic Region condemn this law as totally crude and amoral!

No one gives a damn about your morality. The UN has proven that enough. If you don't like it, feel free to leave or actually find something besides the crutch of morality to base your arguement on.

One of my colleagues mentioned earlier:



I never intended to "define it by myself" it is needful that this body "define" maturity! If this is going to be in practice within the UN.

Maturity isn't defined because of the extreme range of it. Within the UN there are species that live their entire lives in less than a decade and others that don't reach physical maturity until after a century of life. And their biologies range far more than I even dare guess at. Defining it is impossible.

However, I find it funny that my colleague mentions that it is okay for other countries to have a different definition of maturity. However, it is not ok for a country to have a different definition of morality? If it is within a countries soverign right to declare a definition of maturity, why is not the same soverign right extended to the country to define morality within their borders?

I think the UN has rules about this...

Our country wishes to outlaw the practice! We educate our children about it, as a matter of fact they are still taught that it is a debase sin which degrades women, and weakens the family! In our country all have a better choice, they can go into the military, or work for the Church!

There are ways to make it effectively illegal...

Request 4 is something that we are not prepared to do, because we do not recognize "prostitution" as a valid profession.

The UN does. As long as you are a member and it is legal, so do you.

I am asking my colleagues to see this resolution for what it is...trash! Lets leave this decision up to each individual's country. This policy should not be mandated from the floor of the UN!

Thank you.

The UN has decided otherwise twice. And neither side is willing to compromise on the issue.
_Myopia_
22-02-2005, 19:14
This is terrible! First of all, there are nations that make up membership in this body that feel that the UN giving "sex workers", I call them whores, their "stamp of approval, and the freedom to practice their "profession" in their country to be totally unacceptable! We the people of the Holy Catholic Region condemn this law as totally crude and amoral!

What if we find it amoral for any government to remove the full rights of adult sapient beings to their own bodies?

However, I find it funny that my colleague mentions that it is okay for other countries to have a different definition of maturity. However, it is not ok for a country to have a different definition of morality? If it is within a countries soverign right to declare a definition of maturity, why is not the same soverign right extended to the country to define morality within their borders?

Members of different societies and species mature at different rates, so it would be inappropriate to set one standard for them all. However, unless we're going to accept moral relativism, the same does not apply to what is right and wrong.

degrades women

When a government declares that its citizens are not deemed worthy of the right to make their own decisions about their bodies, it is ultimately far more degrading than prostitution.

and weakens the family!

Surely if a married couple have decided to be monogamous, any infidelity is a private issue to be dealt with by them? Having the government stand over you enforcing marriage vows makes keeping those vows far less meaningful.

In our country all have a better choice, they can go into the military, or work for the Church!

What about pacifists and non-Christians?

Given the behaviour of most governments, we see renting out your body for sex acts as vastly preferable to potentially signing over your life to a government.

recommends that such policy be left to the individual member nations to implement according to each individual nation's definition of morality

I hate the way the term "morality" has been stolen by conservatives, and used to apply solely to the issues they get worked up about, most commonly sexual issues. Morality is about right and wrong (and the shades of grey in between), which extends to pretty much every issue that legislation deals with. If you feel the UN shouldn't legislate on morality, then pretty much every issue is off-limits, because pretty much every issue is a matter of right and wrong
Groot Gouda
22-02-2005, 21:18
We are not suggesting that everyone is catholic...but what we are suggesting is that there are those who hold morality in high reguard! We are simply saying that the UN has no business telling my country of 10 million morally conservative people that we have to accept "sex workers"!

Why do you think that those people want to become prostitutes then? If you consider it so bad and degrading, why do your people still want to go into the prostitution business? Are you not caring enough for your citizens, perhaps?

It would be like the UN saying that every country has to worship the same God!

No, it's more like the UN saying that it is not up to the state to tell which god people should worship (if at all).

Those issues should either be left up to each individual, or each member nation.

You clearly haven't understood the resolution. It does exactly that: leave the issue to the individual. Want to become a prostitute, or visit one? Fine. Don't want to become a prostitute? Fine too. The citizen decides, not some self-proclaimed moralist in the government. You and others should realize that you can't and shouldn't decide everything for your citizens.

Unfortunately, it is attitudes like yours that forced me to make lega prostitution mandatory. I'd have rather URGED it, but unfortunately that couldn't garantuee that the working and living conditions of prostitutes would improve in certain "backward" countries.