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Read all of my arguments for the World Museum PLace and you will see that it makes perfect sense, so vote yes. Now for some illusive cartooms.
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Would the representative from Tarters kindly state his arguments for the proposal in question?

For reference, the following proposal is pending before this body:

World Museum Place
A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Napoleanic students

Description: Proposition: I propose that we form a huge global museum where all the most famous arts from all around the world, consisting of art spanning from the Lourve to the Smithsonian to the MOMA. This would take a certaom island somewhere in a certain nation that is not to well off, or maybe a well off nation, anyway, it would make a huge museum on that island in that certain nation and put the most famous arts form all the most famous artists and also the greatest arts and gather them in that one location.
Cost: Such a project would consist of 3.2 billion US dollars (convert it to your nation's currecncy) to be split between the 37,612 nations making each nation pay 85079.23 US dollars, convert into your nation's currency, which is almost nothing compared to all the projects each nation is undertaking on its own, and it will cost less money than the global library as well.
Pro: It will make a certain tiny nation get billions of dollars in tourists that will be shared equally among each of the UN nations. The debt will repay itself in no time. Also it will create more trade, tourism would advance the airline industry alot, and hundreds of other industries that I bet all of you have your eye on. As well as a museum, the island can also contain many vendors and can make a huge amount of money for alot of people

Approvals: 10 (Beautiful Yalaluxurios, The Wild Cards, Knowledge of Dragons, UshiYasha II, The Derrak Quadrant, Gaiah, WZ Forums, Liberal Fascism, VirginIncursion, Cihlar)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 134 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Sat Feb 19 2005

We are curious as to the nature of "the Lourve", "the Smithsonian", and "the MOMA".

[Lord] Michael Evif
Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Current UN Nation: Bawlmer

The louvre only has about 3 pieces of real art - the rest are just several centuries of imperial junk.

The smithsonian also is conspicuously lacking in art.
It's got my X-29 hanging from the ceiling, true.
It's got lots of cool things, actually.
But they're not art.

As for "the" MOMA, I can only paraphrase Naughty By Nature:

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I like MOMA where it is.
Praise Ja Rastafarai we finally got it back from Queens!

My thoughts on this resolution are: illegal due to use of RL references.

Amd even if it was legal, you wouldn't get my approival due to lack of posting the proposal here, and overuse of smilies.

Now for some illusive cartooms.
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illusive

adj : based on or having the nature of an illusion; "illusive hopes of of finding a better job"; "Secret activities offer presidents the alluring but often illusory promise that they can achieve foreign policy goals without the bothersome debate and open decision that are staples of democracy"
Are you telling me that you posted these cartoons to deceive us? I am outraged!

Or maybe you meant illustrative. But I'm still outraged.

illusive can be used to mean illustrative and nice as well, you just decided to choose your own. [Lord] Michael Evif Goobergunchian UN Ambassador, not to be disrespectful in any way, but the Lourve, Moma and the Smithsonian are all few of the most famous museums ever. To Flibbleites, it is very much not illegal, because a similar project is already pending in real life, you just don't really know about it, and what are RL regulations and show me how it is illegal due to them. And a overuse of smilies is a immature reason to not approve something. To Asshelmetta, art is in the conception of those who gaze at it. I personally do not like modern art, because I believe that most of it required little or no work whatsoever, though I do not say that it is not art, I just merely state that I do not truly appreciate it and I do not want to really spend too much time looking at it for that reason, though I still aknowledge that it is art. To put down other people's years of work like that, it proves that you yourself are immature and you are just angry that you either lack the brain capacity to appreciate it or you are too immature that could fall under the same catagory.
Another thing, I truly do not like any of your arguments and I was wondering if by perchance, you could adopt a better one and get a real backing of it. Such are: it could make some industries grow so much that they could take over nations, it could have a bigger cost than 3.2 billion dollars (which is highly doubtful) or that there could be turnmoil in the fact that many nations will try to get the museum in their nation for all the trade benefits.

Your resolution is illegal because none of the museums you mentioned exist in the NationStates universe. Also, you can't use the RL program to bolster your argument because it doesn't exist here either.

How did you come up with that cost figure?

First Nargopia, the museums I mentioned were just examples, I apologize if I did not make that painfully clear. Also, what is RL anyway? Concerning the cost figure, there is a project similar to that which is currently underway. It's cost figure is a estimated 1.7 billion dollars, also including the fact that all of the pieces of art have to be purchased. Since no museum in Nation States is going to refuse the UN telling them to give up their art, they are also going to because they are going to get advertising space for the rest of their art that will stay in their museums (only the best will be put in the WMP) and they will like that. So, I doubled the 1.7 billion and I rounded it, so that is how I came up with it, it will most probably cost less because as I stated before, the WMP will not really have to pay for too many pieces of art.

First Nargopia, the museums I mentioned were just examples, I apologize if I did not make that painfully clear. Also, what is RL anyway?
1) Don't patronize me.
2) What is RL? Look around you right now. See any magazines, books, movies, advertisements, or museums? None of that can be used as a reference or example in NationStates, especially not as part of a proposal.
Concerning the cost figure, there is a project similar to that which is currently underway. It's cost figure is a estimated 1.7 billion dollars, also including the fact that all of the pieces of art have to be purchased.
A project underway where? RL or NS?
Since no museum in Nation States is going to refuse the UN telling them to give up their art, they are also going to because they are going to get advertising space for the rest of their art that will stay in their museums (only the best will be put in the WMP) and they will like that.
I like how you know what every museum in NationStates is going to do, and what every nation is going to like. I wish I had psychic powers...
So, I doubled the 1.7 billion and I rounded it, so that is how I came up with it, it will most probably cost less because as I stated before, the WMP will not really have to pay for too many pieces of art.NationStates has tens of thousands of nations, many of which have hundreds of millions or even billions of people. That's a lot of history... that's a lot of art. I think you'd have to do a lot more than just double it.

Are you telling me that you posted these cartoons to deceive us? I am outraged!

Or maybe you meant illustrative. But I'm still outraged.

Neither of the above, they are there to distract us from the real life examples that make this proposal useless. I still find those kissing ones rather eerie looking.

To Nargopia, I am sorry if I patronized you, I did not mean to in the slightest bit. Second, you didn't really explain what you mean by RL. Oh yeah, it means Real Life, sorry. Third, they actually can because the causes and the different aspects of them are real and since NS is a realistic game, a real reference point is the best reference point, is it not? The project that is underway is in RL. I don't have psychic powers, I just have enough brain capacity to predict what someone is going to do based on common sense and what has occured in the past. Also as I have stated before, only the best art will comprive th WMP. Also, I can't believe you were on at 5 AM, that's sad. Pogonia, I do not want to distract you from the proposal, I just wanted to fill up space.

To Nargopia, I am sorry if I patronized you, I did not mean to in the slightest bit. Second, you didn't really explain what you mean by RL. Oh yeah, it means Real Life, sorry. Third, they actually can because the causes and the different aspects of them are real and since NS is a realistic game, a real reference point is the best reference point, is it not? The project that is underway is in RL.
You seem not to understand. It is against the rules for proposals to use real-life examples. Please check the Before you make a proposal sticky at the top of this forum.

I don't have psychic powers, I just have enough brain capacity to predict what someone is going to do based on common sense and what has occured in the past.
Hang on. You seriously believe that museum curators are going to meekly hand over pieces of art and history that they have fought tooth and nail for? Spent huge amounts of money for? What you are suggesting is theft, plain and simple.

Also as I have stated before, only the best art will comprive th WMP.
Who decides on the best art? You? Me? Art critics? Historians? Artists? Everyone has different tastes in art.
Also, I can't believe you were on at 5 AM, that's sad. Pogonia, I do not want to distract you from the proposal, I just wanted to fill up space.
On the 5AM issue: people using this board are living in vastly different timezones. From where I am, Nargopia posted at about 5pm.
Why did you feel you had to 'fill up space'?

Enn, I do understand, and I did check it, but it said it is not allowed to make a proposal based on real life, not one with examples of real life in it. Also, museum curators ARE going to, and if they don't they are going to be paid to. I already stated why but i will write it again just so you are a little bit happy, but only for a little bit. They are because they get primo advertising space, the UN told them to and because they are going to get paid. I am sorry about the 5 AM thing. By best art, we will have the most famous pieces plus the curators of the museum will decide.

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i am going to bed! :headbang: